Scottish Independence

[Colonel_HFC]

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This thing about disruption.

For most of us, our daily lives would be virtually unchanged. Any changes that there are would be gradual and almost imperceptible.

Things gradually going to s**t isn't much better than it happening suddenly...

[CropleyWasGod]

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Things gradually going to s**t isn't much better than it happening suddenly...

Is that what will happen?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Things gradually going to s**t isn't much better than it happening suddenly...

Can't argue with that. The last 40 years or more of Westminster governments proved that.

The slow downward spiral.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Is that what will happen?

In my and many other people's opinion, yes.

[Moulin Yarns]

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In my and many other people's opinion, yes.

Then we, the people of Scotland, given the opportunity can change things for the better, or continue to accept what is served up and moan about it.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Then we, the people of Scotland, given the opportunity can change things for the better, or continue to accept what is served up and moan about it.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Scotland will continue to moan and blame others regardless of what happens. If independence happens then they will moan about and blame whatever government is left in Scotland. Or they will find a way to blame outside influences. Cry baby adults are a little too old to grow out of it - changing government or anything else is not the answer. To stop being a whining b***h the change has to come from within.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Can't argue with that. The last 40 years or more of Westminster governments proved that.

The slow downward spiral.

Don't see it myself. No worse than many other places. Just whining people looking to blame others for not being happy with their lives.

[Leith Green]

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Don't see it myself. No worse than many other places. Just whining people looking to blame others for not being happy with their lives.

And people who are trying to set about making the changes required to make things better.

[#FromTheCapital]

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This thing about disruption.

For most of us, our daily lives would be virtually unchanged. Any changes that there are would be gradual and almost imperceptible.

So a change of currency, or increased prices/tax would be imperceptible?

[CropleyWasGod]

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So a change of currency, or increased prices/tax would be imperceptible?

What change of currency?

What increased prices?

As for tax, the only change mooted is a reduction in CT.

[#FromTheCapital]

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What change of currency?

What increased prices?

As for tax, the only change mooted is a reduction in CT.

Not saying it's a definite, but it can't be ruled out either can it?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not saying it's a definite, but it can't be ruled out either can it?

And neither can price reductions.

There's certainly no sign of any change to the currency.

[Colonel_HFC]

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And people who are trying to set about making the changes required to make things better.

It won't make a difference. Just other people to blame.

[#FromTheCapital]

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And neither can price reductions.

There's certainly no sign of any change to the currency.

Point taken.

This is all opinion (well researched or otherwise) at the end of the day. And opinion isn't enough for me and many others to gamble on.

[Leith Green]

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It won't make a difference. Just other people to blame.

Says who? You? The difference is that if we are not being governed properly then at least we can vote to do something about it, and it'll actually count

An example would be when we have an election in an independent Scotland, you can guarantee that the turnout will be far higher than the recent general elections we have seen.

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Just saw thousands protest at BBC Glasgow HQ over their biased reporting of the referendum.

[DaveF]

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Just saw thousands protest at BBC Glasgow HQ over their biased reporting of the referendum.

And the BBC have reported on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196912

[Leith Green]

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And the BBC have reported on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196912

Aye, tucked away in the scotland west section. They also said up to a 1000 protestors, but it was several thousand according to STV news

[Peevemor]

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Aye, tucked away in the scotland west section. They also said up to a 1000 protestors, but it was several thousand according to STV news

They don't like it up 'em!

[Sergey]

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And the BBC have reported on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196912

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Aye, tucked away in the scotland west section. They also said up to a 1000 protestors, but it was several thousand according to STV news

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They don't like it up 'em!

The BBC updated their website. The image below is what originally accompanied the story.

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[Colonel_HFC]

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Says who? You? The difference is that if we are not being governed properly then at least we can vote to do something about it, and it'll actually count

An example would be when we have an election in an independent Scotland, you can guarantee that the turnout will be far higher than the recent general elections we have seen.

Yes, I say. That's the point of a forum - people saying things.

Obviously you don't agree, and that's another thing that happens on discussion forums.

I just think people often spend their whole lives trying to find people or things to blame for their own problems. And I don't think Scotland being independent will change that. It will just give a lot of people some extra annoying s**t to deal with.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yes, I say. That's the point of a forum - people saying things.

Obviously you don't agree, and that's another thing that happens on discussion forums.

I just think people often spend their whole lives trying to find people or things to blame for their own problems. And I don't think Scotland being independent will change that. It will just give a lot of people some extra annoying s**t to deal with.

It will actually give all of us less annoying sh*t to deal with. One of the reasons I'm voting Yes is that, for a nation of 5m people, we have too many levels of Government. We can get rid of the cowboys in Westminster, and have more time to deal with the cowboys at Holyrood.

[Bristolhibby]

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I'm uncomfortable with the vote appearing to be so close, yes. That's your view. Back in reality, every scot alive today was born as a uk citizen and as such have set their lives and business' up on the rules and regulations set by the uk government. It's not perfect (what country/government is?) but the level of disruption which is likely to be caused by a split of the union is against a lot of peoples wishes, especially with no guarantees or clarity on how things are going to be post split.

Seriously? For disruption, read opportunity.

J

[DaveF]

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The BBC updated their website. The image below is what originally accompanied the story.

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In the interests of clarity (because I'm not in any way biased) that set of photo's alludes to a demo yesterday (13th) in Glasgow.

The link I posted was about today's march to Pacific Quay.

[DaveF]

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Yes, I say. That's the point of a forum - people saying things.

Obviously you don't agree, and that's another thing that happens on discussion forums.

I just think people often spend their whole lives trying to find people or things to blame for their own problems. And I don't think Scotland being independent will change that. It will just give a lot of people some extra annoying s**t to deal with.

Spot on mate. You've done just that for the last couple of pages

[#FromTheCapital]

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Seriously? For disruption, read opportunity.

J

Yes seriously. Disruption is very likely, particularly for Scottish businesses. After that there MAY be opportunity, or it MAY go tits up. Nobody knows.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Spot on mate. You've done just that for the last couple of pages

That's pretty stupid. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Where did I once say anything like that? I'm just observing the situation and expressing what I think about it.

I'm not complaining about Westminster, government, the BBC etc. I just don't think voting Yes is a very good idea. And I don't think it will solve anyone in Scotland's problems. I think it will add problems (at least practical problems) to many people's lives.

That is not blaming. It's just expressing a point of view. And I really don't blame anyone else for problems in my life.

[DaveF]

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I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Scotland will continue to moan and blame others regardless of what happens. If independence happens then they will moan about and blame whatever government is left in Scotland. Or they will find a way to blame outside influences. Cry baby adults are a little too old to grow out of it - changing government or anything else is not the answer. To stop being a whining b***h the change has to come from within.

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Don't see it myself. No worse than many other places. Just whining people looking to blame others for not being happy with their lives.

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It won't make a difference. Just other people to blame.

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Yes, I say. That's the point of a forum - people saying things.

Obviously you don't agree, and that's another thing that happens on discussion forums.

I just think people often spend their whole lives trying to find people or things to blame for their own problems. And I don't think Scotland being independent will change that. It will just give a lot of people some extra annoying s**t to deal with.

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That's pretty stupid. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Where did I once say anything like that? I'm just observing the situation and expressing what I think about

I'm not complaining about Westminster, government, the BBC etc. I just don't think voting Yes is a very good idea. And I don't think it will solve anyone in Scotland's problems. I think it will add problems (at least practical problems) to many people's lives.

That is not blaming. It's just expressing a point of view. And I really don't blame anyone else for problems in my life.

I've no idea

[Colonel_HFC]

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I've no idea

Even stupider. That's not ME blaming anyone. That is just me using the word "blame" to describe how I think other people act.

Try and understand: I am not blaming anyone. I think that a lot of people do. And I don't think a Yes vote will change that at all.

Comprender?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Even stupider. That's not ME blaming anyone. That is just me using the word "blame" to describe how I think other people act.

Try and understand: I am not blaming anyone. I think that a lot of people do. And I don't think l


Po po opportunity Yes vote will change that at all.

Comprender?

After Independence I think a lot of people will accept that the buck stops at Holyrood. Face it, the smaller number of MSPs will be more accountable than all the Westminster MPs