Scottish Independence

[CropleyWasGod]

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I don't understand why would Scottish person vote no if they vote no they are just Westminster lackies

You might understand when you're on the first train out of here ;)

[Moulin Yarns]

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Where did you get that mate ?

It should be put on every social media platform.

I got it from FB. But, I think it needs to go to the BBC

[Hibrandenburg]

Sky news reporting today's Orange Marches a show of "Great British Patriotism".

I'm out.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I got it from FB. But, I think it needs to go to the BBC

Just emailed to the bnc oh dear meant to say BBC

[Albion Hibs]

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Subsidised to allow us to further develop the technology, making it cheaper and more efficient. Being subsidised doesn't mean it is loss making, it just means it is not the most efficient method. The subsidy is to offset the shortfall caused by the inefficiency.

The planet is moving towards renewables, I want Scotland to be at the forefront of that movement, not playing catch up.

Not too sure how the above works. I don't disagree about renewable energy, unfortunately the current government is not pushing it as much in certain sectors. However for something to be developed to replace the lynchpin of the white paper / scottish economy is not optimistic, is is simply not realistic.

[Albion Hibs]

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Global economics dictate that the oil will be exploited, green principles or not. Scotland has the potential in both research capacity and geography/resources to be at the forefront in renewable energies. We all know Westminster's track record when it comes to supporting Scottish industry, yet you can't see how an independent Scotland, aided in the 'short' term by oil revenue, is the best way forward?

Again, in, it is all project wishful thinking stuff for me.

To be fair oil being described as short term revenue is a big admission from the yes side! It is however quite a void to fill with something that is an unproven working in progress.

[#FromTheCapital]

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Come independence, you'll be the first one to get deported ;)

One can only hope CWG.
Maybe he'll get deported to Australia where he might get to meet Braveheart

[SteveHFC]

Tim Johns ‏@timoncheese 1m This Sunday Telegraph article seems to suggest a new ICM poll shows 8% lead for YES. Unconfirmed though http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11092495/Whatever-happens-nothing-will-ever-be-the-same-again.html … #indyref

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not too sure how the above works. I don't disagree about renewable energy, unfortunately the current government is not pushing it as much in certain sectors. However for something to be developed to replace the lynchpin of the white paper / scottish economy is not optimistic, is is simply not realistic.

Why not?

Denmark was the European leader in renewable technology for many years. Not only did it generate its own needs, it exported energy and, most lucratively, the technology. It then lurched to the right, politically, and the new Government abandoned much of that.

Scotland is a much larger country and has the potential to surpass Denmark's experience.

It's a huge challenge, of course, for whatever Government we elect. However, my view is that a Scottish Government would be more proactive than a UK one.

[Leith Green]

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Sky news reporting today's Orange Marches a show of "Great British Patriotism".

I'm out.

Shows the union for what it is, forceful and well past its sell by date, bunch of erseholes, funny to read part of one of the balloons speech earlier..

[Albion Hibs]

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How is it any more possible that values will drop than they will rise? There will continue to be the same market, for rentals and for buying, that there is at the moment. Those will remain constant no matter what Government we have.

you are having one. There is no chance the market will remain the same, and has there been one signal that it will get better? I could give you a few that say it won't.

Furthermore the current government is currently unable to support help to buy, choosing to extend it only until 2017 rather than 2020. I will take any bet that you want that when the RoS stats for the quarter leading to the vote come out there is a drop in price and total sales, up for it?

[Albion Hibs]

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The No Campaign recently sent out a communication advising that Supermarkets would put up their prices by 16% in an independent Scotland. However, it is a very simple process to ask them the truth. All power to Morrison's for their honest answer.
First Up – TESCO
FAO:
Tesco Customer Services
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that tesco intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their response:
Thanks for your email today.
I am very sorry you are getting misinforming leaflets through your door.
I can confirm that Tesco will not increase their prices by 16% if Scotland leaves the UK.
We’ve got a great business in Scotland and our job is to create the best offer for customers whatever the outcome of the referendum.
Hope this clears the confusion up!
Next Up – Asda
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Asda intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response:
Thank you for contacting us regarding information you have received regarding a possible price increase within our stores pending the outcome of Scottish Independence.
I can advise you that, as an Everyday Low Cost Company we would always strive to keep our prices as low as possible for the customer. We are unaware of any plans to implement this increase as stated in the leaflet you received.
Next Up Morrisons
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Morrisons intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
(which was brutally honest and made us giggle – Although we suspect the member of staff may get into hot water for this response):
Thank you for contacting us regarding the leaflet you received. We have received similar enquiries regarding this particular correspondence from one of the campaigns in the Scottish Referendum.
As a company Morrisons have a thriving and loyal customer base and we work hard to try and keep those customers satisfied. We base our pricing on the retail MARKET and not on political decisions. We strive to offer customers in Scotland the best service we can.
As far as we are aware the increased cost in Ireland is due to a number of factors, the major one being the higher cost of distribution. Morrisons currently have in place a full distribution network within the current UK which would remain in place in the event of a Yes Vote. The only way we could envisage an increased cost for Scotland is if the Scottish Government were to push Scotland’s land mass away from the rest of the UK and into the North Sea.
Finally, we spoke with Sainsbury’s
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Sainsbury’s intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
We are unaware of any plans to implement a price increase should Scotland choose to become Independent.
We thought we would stop at this point to save further embarrassment for the No Campaign. But the message is clear. Supermarkets would not unduly penalise the Scottish populous because of political decisions.
Nice try Better Together! You got it wrong ..... AGAIN!

Wow who would have thought that the two supermarkets that's share price has pretty much halved in a year have not come out in front of investors and given them another reason sell or be concerned...for the avoidance of doubt that is both morrisons and tesco...and to be fair I have no issue or surprise at the statements they have made, I understand entirely why they have done so.

[Albion Hibs]

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To all Yes voters: If it is a Yes vote and it all goes to s**t and the country is a disaster, don't try and blame it on anyone else (UK being unfair, conspiracy etc.). It will be nobody's fault but yours. Do you accept this? Yes or No?

Of course they won't, more importantly neither will eck salmond. The first response will be I blame it on Westminster..the bigger boys did not let us...it's all there fault.

[CropleyWasGod]

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you are having one. There is no chance the market will remain the same, and has there been one signal that it will get better? I could give you a few that say it won't.

Furthermore the current government is currently unable to support help to buy, choosing to extend it only until 2017 rather than 2020. I will take any bet that you want that when the RoS stats for the quarter leading to the vote come out there is a drop in price and total sales, up for it?

I am having one what?

The poster I was arguing with took the view that property prices would drop dramatically in an iS. I asked him why that would be the case, to which he said that demand would disappear. I predicated the idea that, prompted by lower CT rates, demand might actually increase.

You're talking about short-term dips because of the referendum. He and I were talking about the longer term.

I am not a betting person :)

[CropleyWasGod]

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Of course they won't, more importantly neither will eck salmond. The first response will be I blame it on Westminster..the bigger boys did not let us...it's all there fault.

I did.

[Peevemor]

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Again, in, it is all project wishful thinking stuff for me.

To be fair oil being described as short term revenue is a big admission from the yes side! It is however quite a void to fill with something that is an unproven working in progress.

A few decades should be considered short term when planning the way ahead of a nation. If you want short-termism you only have to look at the decimation of Scottish industry carried out from London 30 odd years ago.

[Peevemor]

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Wow who would have thought that the two supermarkets that's share price has pretty much halved in a year have not come out in front of investors and given them another reason sell or be concerned...for the avoidance of doubt that is both morrisons and tesco...and to be fair I have no issue or surprise at the statements they have made, I understand entirely why they have done so.

Because they're true?

[stoneyburn hibs]

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I got it from FB. But, I think it needs to go to the BBC

Somehow I can't see it being on there news programme. I am a cynic

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Tim Johns ‏@timoncheese 1m This Sunday Telegraph article seems to suggest a new ICM poll shows 8% lead for YES. Unconfirmed though http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11092495/Whatever-happens-nothing-will-ever-be-the-same-again.html … #indyref

Never done this before but......:

[blaikie]

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Tim Johns ‏@timoncheese 1m This Sunday Telegraph article seems to suggest a new ICM poll shows 8% lead for YES. Unconfirmed though http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11092495/Whatever-happens-nothing-will-ever-be-the-same-again.html … #indyref

Seem to be an ICM online poll :)

[SteveHFC]

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Never done this before but......:

[Leith Green]

Opinium/observer has it 53no 47yes just released

ICM has it yes leading by 8 but with slightly smaller sample size

Survation has No leading by 8, but this poll was done for better together, so make of that what you will

Poll yesterday had it 51 to 49 in favour of No

[CropleyWasGod]

Opinium 53:47 No.

Next up tonight is Panelbase.

[Leith Green]

The company who carried out the poll that had Yes leading by 8 tonight, are the same who had the 49/51 in favour of No yesterday

The one yesterday was telephone polls for the Guardian
The one released tonight was online poll and for the Sunday Telegraph

[Leith Green]

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Opinium 53:47 No.

Next up tonight is Panelbase.

Are panalbase releasing one tonight?

[The Harp Awakes]

I think all you can take from the opinion polls is that the outcome is going to be close. Too many variables at play; which way will undecided voters go; will Labour voters continue to go to yes; what effect will an unusually high turnout have.

I genuinely don't know which way this is going to go.

[adhibs]

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Are panalbase releasing one tonight?

At 21.30

[Leith Green]

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At 21.30

Where did you see that mate?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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My intervention... In what way is posting on a forum intervening? I don't expect to change anyone's mind. If people want to make stupid choices it's their own problem. I've made a few in my life but nothing too serious. But they've mostly only really affected me or sometimes those that I am close to.

I just think it's unfortunate that such a significant number of people are being so stupid when it comes to this specific subject.

Too stupid to run our own country? It's not been a winning formula up till now, maybe we'll get the message on time - who knows. I'll sell my vote for a tea cake and a balloon on a stick if anyone's offering.

[SkintHibby]

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Whenever the Tories are in power, we are ruled by a government we didn't vote for. That's roughly 50% of the time. 1 Tory MP in Scotland presently so not even marginal. If you take the Scottish vote out of every election since the War, the result would have been the same. We do not have a say in our future currently and are ruled by London and the south east of England. That is the biggest argument for Independence IMO. Scottish issues should be governed by Scotland to benefit Scotland. Yes we will make mistakes but will they be as costly as the mistakes made in Westminster? I'll gladly take that chance.

Incidentally, in an independent Scotland, Labour would dominate and probably have a near monopoly on government. That's probably the biggest argument against independence.

Not strictly true.

In a democracy, if you make an arse of being in power then someone else is always willing to take your place.

Imagine this though.......Scots would always get governments voted by S-C-O-T-S. What a concept eh!