Scottish Independence

[CmoantheHibs]

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No. I said I lived overseas.

Sorry its a pretty big thread and I havent read through it.So what is your interest in the independence issue?Are you Scottish?

[Colonel_HFC]

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You've yet to answer my previous point, other than shouting "Horse Manure!"

Upset and bitter? You know nothing about me.

Your intervention late on in this thread is a bit like the three amigos (plus Farage) scrambling up to Scotland at the last minute because they realise it's not going their way.

You've already said it doesn't affect you so you don't really care. Lots of people in Scotland do though, and more than half of them will vote to put this country's future in our own hands.

My intervention... In what way is posting on a forum intervening? I don't expect to change anyone's mind. If people want to make stupid choices it's their own problem. I've made a few in my life but nothing too serious. But they've mostly only really affected me or sometimes those that I am close to.

I just think it's unfortunate that such a significant number of people are being so stupid when it comes to this specific subject.

[bawheid]

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I just think it's unfortunate that such a significant number of people are being so stupid when it comes to this specific subject.

So anyone with a different opinion from yours is stupid?

[Colonel_HFC]

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Sorry its a pretty big thread and I havent read through it.So what is your interest in the independence issue?Are you Scottish?

That's where I was born and where I spend 80% of my life. And I have family and friends that live there, none of whom are happy about the idea of independence and the effect that it may have on their lives. It won't affect me very much really. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think Salmond is an awful person - a sociopath actually - interested in his own prestige and not much more. But that's just my opinion. And I don't see how my expression of my opinion can be seen as intervening. I can't even intervene - I'm not entitled to vote on the issue.

[Moulin Yarns]

It was announced that the shop workers union USDAW have come out in favour of a No vote,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29108298

it is just a pity they didn't ask their members first.


This is the result of a debate, with one Yes and No reprentative at IKEA Glasgow.

A great debate followed, passionate but respectful.
At the end we agreed to have an open vote on Yes, No and Don't Know, as an indication of Usdaw members' views after a long, healthy, two-sided debate.
The result was 87.5% for Yes, 12.5% Don't Know and Zero for No.
Some of the undecided said they now lean towards voting Yes. Several of those who voted Yes on the night had arrived at the meeting as No voters. One woman who had been a No, and voted Don't Know after the debate, told the meeting, "I've had more straight answers and common sense from Richie tonight than I've heard from anywhere for the last two years. You might get me to vote Yes yet!"

[Colonel_HFC]

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So anyone with a different opinion from yours is stupid?

No. You don't have to be stupid to make stupid decisions.

[bawheid]

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No. You don't have to be stupid to make stupid decisions.

So people that vote yes are just being stupid? Anything else to add?

[Colonel_HFC]

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So people that vote yes are just being stupid? Anything else to add?

Nope.

[Moulin Yarns]

The No Campaign recently sent out a communication advising that Supermarkets would put up their prices by 16% in an independent Scotland. However, it is a very simple process to ask them the truth. All power to Morrison's for their honest answer.
First Up – TESCO
FAO:
Tesco Customer Services
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that tesco intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their response:
Thanks for your email today.
I am very sorry you are getting misinforming leaflets through your door.
I can confirm that Tesco will not increase their prices by 16% if Scotland leaves the UK.
We’ve got a great business in Scotland and our job is to create the best offer for customers whatever the outcome of the referendum.
Hope this clears the confusion up!
Next Up – Asda
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Asda intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response:
Thank you for contacting us regarding information you have received regarding a possible price increase within our stores pending the outcome of Scottish Independence.
I can advise you that, as an Everyday Low Cost Company we would always strive to keep our prices as low as possible for the customer. We are unaware of any plans to implement this increase as stated in the leaflet you received.
Next Up Morrisons
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Morrisons intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
(which was brutally honest and made us giggle – Although we suspect the member of staff may get into hot water for this response):
Thank you for contacting us regarding the leaflet you received. We have received similar enquiries regarding this particular correspondence from one of the campaigns in the Scottish Referendum.
As a company Morrisons have a thriving and loyal customer base and we work hard to try and keep those customers satisfied. We base our pricing on the retail MARKET and not on political decisions. We strive to offer customers in Scotland the best service we can.
As far as we are aware the increased cost in Ireland is due to a number of factors, the major one being the higher cost of distribution. Morrisons currently have in place a full distribution network within the current UK which would remain in place in the event of a Yes Vote. The only way we could envisage an increased cost for Scotland is if the Scottish Government were to push Scotland’s land mass away from the rest of the UK and into the North Sea.
Finally, we spoke with Sainsbury’s
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Sainsbury’s intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
We are unaware of any plans to implement a price increase should Scotland choose to become Independent.
We thought we would stop at this point to save further embarrassment for the No Campaign. But the message is clear. Supermarkets would not unduly penalise the Scottish populous because of political decisions.
Nice try Better Together! You got it wrong ..... AGAIN!

[Peevemor]

http://nationalcollective.com/2014/0...-plans-leaked/

[Colonel_HFC]

To all Yes voters: If it is a Yes vote and it all goes to s**t and the country is a disaster, don't try and blame it on anyone else (UK being unfair, conspiracy etc.). It will be nobody's fault but yours. Do you accept this? Yes or No?

[CmoantheHibs]

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That's where I was born and where I spend 80% of my life. And I have family and friends that live there, none of whom are happy about the idea of independence and the effect that it may have on their lives. It won't affect me very much really. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think Salmond is an awful person - a sociopath actually - interested in his own prestige and not much more. But that's just my opinion. And I don't see how my expression of my opinion can be seen as intervening. I can't even intervene - I'm not entitled to vote on the issue.

I never mentioned you intervening.I think it was Bawheid that did and I think he was referring to intervening in the thread not the actual vote.Some of your posts I have read do come over in a pretty condescending manner imo so you shouldnt really be surprised that people react in a negative way.

[Moulin Yarns]

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To all Yes voters: If it is a Yes vote and it all goes to s**t and the country is a disaster, don't try and blame it on anyone else (UK being unfair, conspiracy etc.). It will be nobody's fault but yours. Do you accept this? Yes or No?

“Independence won’t be utopia or disaster as some have attempted to claim; it will be what we make of it, and it’s too good an opportunity to miss.”

After a Yes vote and the UK deficit rises above the Scottish deficit after refusing a currency union, will you blame Alex Salmond or the three Westminster leaders?

[bawheid]

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To all Yes voters: If it is a Yes vote and it all goes to s**t and the country is a disaster, don't try and blame it on anyone else (UK being unfair, conspiracy etc.). It will be nobody's fault but yours. Do you accept this? Yes or No?

Yes absolutely. That's what it's about for me. The chance to govern ourselves. We're a country - we should make our own decisions like every other country in the world.

We'll be accountable to ourselves, for better or worse.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Yes absolutely. That's what it's about for me. The chance to govern ourselves. We're a country - we should make our own decisions like every other country in the world.

We'll be accountable to ourselves, for better or worse.

Fair enough. That's all anyone can ask for - accountability. The rest is democracy and if it's what the majority want then so be it. That doesn't mean that the majority always make the right decision.

Unfortunately, people that make the wrong decisions are often quick to blame others rather than being accountable for the decisions. Whatever happens, I'd really rather not see that.

[Colonel_HFC]

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“Independence won’t be utopia or disaster as some have attempted to claim; it will be what we make of it, and it’s too good an opportunity to miss.”

After a Yes vote and the UK deficit rises above the Scottish deficit after refusing a currency union, will you blame Alex Salmond or the three Westminster leaders?

I won't blame anyone. It won't affect me very much. Is that what's going to happen?

[Moulin Yarns]

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I won't blame anyone. It won't affect me very much. Is that what's going to happen?

Well, that depends, sam e as your question, nobody knows the answer. It is all supposition.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Well, that depends, sam e as your question, nobody knows the answer. It is all supposition.

"After a Yes vote and the UK deficit rises above the Scottish deficit after refusing a currency union, will you blame Alex Salmond or the three Westminster leaders?"

To read that, you'd think you DID know the answer.

[steakbake]

Conservative MP on BBC, Christopher Chopr effectively writes off Brown's timetable for more powers and pointing out that the timetable is totally unrealistic. The only way for it to happen would be to have the question on the ballot paper.

If it's a No, will No voters accept that they've been conned?

[Colonel_HFC]

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Conservative MP on BBC, Christopher Chopr effectively writes off Brown's timetable for more powers and pointing out that the timetable is totally unrealistic. The only way for it to happen would be to have the question on the ballot paper.

If it's a No, will No voters accept that they've been conned?

I don't have any interest in more powers anyway so I wouldn't care. I can't speak for the No voters - I am not one since I am not eligible to vote because I live overseas.

[bawheid]

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Conservative MP on BBC, Christopher Chopr effectively writes off Brown's timetable for more powers and pointing out that the timetable is totally unrealistic. The only way for it to happen would be to have the question on the ballot paper.

If it's a No, will No voters accept that they've been conned?

The offer of more powers was the main headline news on every channel. I wonder if this story will be?

[Leith Green]

There will be some mess up here if their promise of more power comes to nothing in the event of a No vote. Problem is we will be powerless to do anything about it, it'll be too late when the votes have been cast

[steakbake]

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The offer of more powers was the main headline news on every channel. I wonder if this story will be?

I suspect not. Apparently 1.8mil people turned out in Barcelona today to match for Catalan independence. I suspect we'll just have to rely on overseas media for more details...

[steakbake]

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There will be some mess up here if their promise of more power comes to nothing in the event of a No vote. Problem is we will be powerless to do anything about it, it'll be too late when the votes have been cast

I suspect the parties involved in the sell out would be kicked in 2015 and then again in 2016. No also have a job on their hands to win and deliver something. Yes only has to be voted through once any time the question comes up.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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The No Campaign recently sent out a communication advising that Supermarkets would put up their prices by 16% in an independent Scotland. However, it is a very simple process to ask them the truth. All power to Morrison's for their honest answer.
First Up – TESCO
FAO:
Tesco Customer Services
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that tesco intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their response:
Thanks for your email today.
I am very sorry you are getting misinforming leaflets through your door.
I can confirm that Tesco will not increase their prices by 16% if Scotland leaves the UK.
We’ve got a great business in Scotland and our job is to create the best offer for customers whatever the outcome of the referendum.
Hope this clears the confusion up!
Next Up – Asda
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Asda intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response:
Thank you for contacting us regarding information you have received regarding a possible price increase within our stores pending the outcome of Scottish Independence.
I can advise you that, as an Everyday Low Cost Company we would always strive to keep our prices as low as possible for the customer. We are unaware of any plans to implement this increase as stated in the leaflet you received.
Next Up Morrisons
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Morrisons intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
(which was brutally honest and made us giggle – Although we suspect the member of staff may get into hot water for this response):
Thank you for contacting us regarding the leaflet you received. We have received similar enquiries regarding this particular correspondence from one of the campaigns in the Scottish Referendum.
As a company Morrisons have a thriving and loyal customer base and we work hard to try and keep those customers satisfied. We base our pricing on the retail MARKET and not on political decisions. We strive to offer customers in Scotland the best service we can.
As far as we are aware the increased cost in Ireland is due to a number of factors, the major one being the higher cost of distribution. Morrisons currently have in place a full distribution network within the current UK which would remain in place in the event of a Yes Vote. The only way we could envisage an increased cost for Scotland is if the Scottish Government were to push Scotland’s land mass away from the rest of the UK and into the North Sea.
Finally, we spoke with Sainsbury’s
To whom it may concern;
I received a communication recently which said that Sainsbury’s intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.
Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.
Their Response
We are unaware of any plans to implement a price increase should Scotland choose to become Independent.
We thought we would stop at this point to save further embarrassment for the No Campaign. But the message is clear. Supermarkets would not unduly penalise the Scottish populous because of political decisions.
Nice try Better Together! You got it wrong ..... AGAIN!

Where did you get that mate ?

It should be put on every social media platform.

[CropleyWasGod]

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To all Yes voters: If it is a Yes vote and it all goes to s**t and the country is a disaster, don't try and blame it on anyone else (UK being unfair, conspiracy etc.). It will be nobody's fault but yours. Do you accept this? Yes or No?

Absolutely

[Jamesconnolly]

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Extremely ignorant and narrow minded. Is this the reason you're voting yes? So you can feel like a 'true scot'?

Narrow minded .its simple vote yes you are Scottish vote no and you are English! Have you not watched brave heart?

[Hibrandenburg]

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Ultimately it doesn't really matter. Other than the few things I've mentioned it's really not my problem. It might be like a slightly disturbing film if it goes bad but, living overseas, I can always change the channel.

Can you send a PM to whisky Hibby and point this out to him, maybe then he'll understand why holding a UK passport shouldn't be the sole reason to get the vote.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Narrow minded .its simple vote yes you are Scottish vote no and you are English! Have you not watched brave heart?

Come independence, you'll be the first one to get deported ;)

[Jamesconnolly]

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Come independence, you'll be the first one to get deported ;)

I don't understand why would Scottish person vote no if they vote no they are just Westminster lackies