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Stop worrying and start thinking. That includes thinking hard about whether either sides claims are realistic, and which one you would trust.
Come on, make a decision, and stop dithering about.
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Thread: Scottish Independence
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13-09-2014 10:13 AM #4861
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13-09-2014 10:20 AM #4862
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I've read this thread from post 1 and its been great debate.
There's pages and pages of good quality debate, definitely better than out there between the two sides and whats reported in the MSM.
Every now and again though there's a wee upsurge in the comedy value for a few pages in much the same way I suppose as Nigel popping up for a chat.Space to let
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13-09-2014 10:38 AM #4863This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fwiw I think the no side have been focused on the oil more than the he's side, it's clearly an integral part of a Scottish economy but the yes side have deliberately downplayed it's significance in this debate while the no side have continually brought it up telling us we can't base an economy on it.
As for the negotiations on a referendum it was David Cameron that refused any plans for an independent Scotland until a yes vote was given, the uncertainty and lack of answers is a deliberate ploy to hamper the yes campaign
#persevered
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13-09-2014 10:43 AM #4864This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Yes campaign have been going on about renewable energy, the Greens are for Yes and that is something they believe in
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13-09-2014 11:04 AM #4865
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The delusion at times does astound me. I see yet another link to a country that 'we could be like', I don't often see them putting up ones of Greece, funny that!
I am not putting the future of my family and theirs on the nonsense white paper and the chance that eck salmond will be successful in every single avenue of his negotiation, why do people think he will be? Furthermore if people think the economy will last till all that is said and done then they need to think again. It is not about fear but reality, and there has been a noticeable shift in the angry undertones of the yes gang since the reality started coming out.
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13-09-2014 11:04 AM #4866This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How do you know what is realistic, the white paper, the conflicting economic arguments, the scale of the potential upheaval? It's all so 'unknown' and not really the basis to make such a fundamental decision on.
I'm with the OP on this one...a good balanced post that probably a lot of people can empathise with.
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13-09-2014 11:06 AM #4867
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13-09-2014 11:13 AM #4868This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The planet is moving towards renewables, I want Scotland to be at the forefront of that movement, not playing catch up.
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13-09-2014 11:17 AM #4869This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In addition, I worry about the way English politics are developing, with an increasingly xenophobic, and isolationist attitude in evidence.
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13-09-2014 11:20 AM #4870This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Seven of the poorest regions in Europe are in the North of England - the richest is London. What does that tell you about the Union.
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13-09-2014 11:26 AM #4871
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My point is when something that makes up 15% upwards of the nations bank account runs out it has always been stated that renewable energy will replace! yet it either loses or does not make money. How can any country sustain this loss?
You point is different, it is about renewable energy, and I don't disagree with it, but you don't need independence to achieve it. How does a campaign / white paper based so heavily on oil extraction sit with your green principles?
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13-09-2014 12:02 PM #4872
Good article by Cosgrove here
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/09/...-not?desktop=1
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13-09-2014 12:08 PM #4873This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2014 12:09 PM #4874
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To vote yes is to be TRULY Scottish
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13-09-2014 12:11 PM #4875
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Fortunately for me I live overseas and will not be affected too much, other than my flat in Scotland potentially becoming worthless because SNP dollars (or whatever fictitious currency they want to claim to be able to use next) will not be of any value elsewhere. So I may lose a flat that is currently rented. I wouldn't even mind that so much because it could be worth it just to see the place fall to pieces - it would maybe show other places in the world that nationalism is stupid and worthless.
Sadly I still have family and friends in Scotland that may have to suffer the consequences directly. If I was there I'd vote no. And if a yes vote happened I'd be leaving anyway. But I'm fortunate that way - it's not a viable option for a lot of people.
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13-09-2014 12:14 PM #4876This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2014 12:16 PM #4877This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2014 12:22 PM #4881This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2014 12:25 PM #4882This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Nonsense ! So if you vote NO you can't be a proud Scot ?
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13-09-2014 12:26 PM #4883
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I'm Scottish because I was born and raised in Scotland. Just because I don't buy into a nationalists vision of how great an independent Scotland could be doesn't make me any less Scottish. So your post is complete bull**** and it makes me cringe that some yes voters hold this belief.
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13-09-2014 12:30 PM #4884This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Can't choose who I trust or believe because it's all claims, counter claims, assertions, selective quoting of whatever statistics suit either side. Zero solid facts.
All I've got to base my decision on is a row.
If you saw two drunk men shouting at each other in a pub, you'd decide not to get involved and walk away thinking that they're both phannies.
It's the same here.
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13-09-2014 12:32 PM #4885This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2014 12:47 PM #4887
Latest opinium/observer poll due out at 8pm tonight.
Wonder how that might compare to the last few? Im guessing it'll have Nos at 53 with yes at 47 after removing maybe 11 per cent dont know
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13-09-2014 12:55 PM #4888
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I suppose if it's a yes vote it could potentially be a bit like watching a disaster film where you really care about some of the characters.
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13-09-2014 12:58 PM #4889
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13-09-2014 12:59 PM #4890This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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