Scottish Independence

[The Baldmans Comb]

There is still a huge lot of work to do for the Yes campaign but Scotland would be a far better and a far happier place if it was run by the people who live and work here.

To the Undecided out there ask yourself what your politics are?.

If you want a slightly left of centre government on a market based economy then that is what you will get in an Independent Scotland as Labour and SNP will dominate with a chip in from Greens and Lib Dems on coalitions.

Otherwise you are going to get an amalgam of the Conservative party/UKIP and the now right of centre Labour party as they continually find new ways to ape the Tories.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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M&C Saatchi, sanctioned by Douglas Alexander (Campaign Manager).

The same lot that used 'Are you thinking what we're thinking' and 'Labour isn't working...'. The masters of fear trying to be positive and this is the result...

As I see it, BT know they've gone too negative but their eggs are all in that basket with the expertise they've bought in.

Momentum is with an aspirational campaign. BT isn't about aspiration: it's about keeping things exactly as they are.

Looking forward to seeing a few polls this week. It's going to be very close.

Things could be about to get messy. They have nothing left to say. Cried wolf once too often IMO.

[CropleyWasGod]

Conspiracy theory no. 272.

Saatchi has to minimise his assets in his divorce from Nigella. What better way to devalue a company than to embark on a disastrous PR campaign for a client?

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[Just Alf]

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The No campaign's latest poster is yet another insult, who comes up with this garbage?

I take it from this that they've run out of arguments to explain why we're better together then?

[Stranraer]

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I take it from this that they've run out of arguments to explain why we're better together then?

I didn't hear any arguments in the first place as to why Scotland is better off in the union. I think that's why "No Thanks" is the new slogan, it means there is less explaining to do.

[JimBHibees]

A bit about the attack at Tynecastle last weekend.

Quite disgusting behaviour. Foulkes hates a quote, no one else they could have asked.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...stle-1-3527125

[over the line]

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A bit about the attack at Tynecastle last weekend.

Quite disgusting behaviour. Foulkes hates a quote, no one else they could have asked.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...stle-1-3527125

Mindless thuggery, disgraceful behaviour! Exactly what point do they think they are proving and what do they hope to achieve with this act? Let's hope someone did get footage and the police are able to I D them. I can't stand bullies and thugs!

[Beefster]

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A bit about the attack at Tynecastle last weekend.

Quite disgusting behaviour. Foulkes hates a quote, no one else they could have asked.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...stle-1-3527125

Anyone else would have said exactly the same as Pishybreeks. The default answer from both sides when anything unsavoury happens is "Well, aye, that's awful but nothing to do with us, guv".

[Future17]

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Anyone else would have said exactly the same as Pishybreeks. The default answer from both sides when anything unsavoury happens is "Well, aye, that's awful but nothing to do with us, guv".

Aye, but he could have stopped at "I deplore any physical violence but I think you have to be very careful about making claims about who is responsible". Instead he added "...I suspect it may be being exaggerated and twisted to create counter balance to the attacks Jim Murphy has had to suffer." He's gone beyond denying "No" campaign involvement to accusing people of lying.

Absolutely no issue with your defence of the "No" argument Beefster, but I feel you defending Foulkes here is a new low for this thread.

[JimBHibees]

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Aye, but he could have stopped at "I deplore any physical violence but I think you have to be very careful about making claims about who is responsible". Instead he added "...I suspect it may be being exaggerated and twisted to create counter balance to the attacks Jim Murphy has had to suffer." He's gone beyond denying "No" campaign involvement to accusing people of lying.

Absolutely no issue with your defence of the "No" argument Beefster, but I feel you defending Foulkes here is a new low for this thread.

Yep it is amazing what strange bedfellows Better Together has created.

[The Harp Awakes]

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The No campaign's latest poster is yet another insult, who comes up with this garbage?

Jeezo, that poster is cringeworthy. So by default, if you are intending voting yes, you don't love your family.

Are the no camp actually trying to win this referendum? Looks like their entire campaign is about to self-destruct.

[Stranraer]

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Jeezo, that poster is cringeworthy. So by default, if you are intending voting yes, you don't love your family.

Are the no camp actually trying to win this referendum? Looks like their entire campaign is about to self-destruct.

I don't have a clue what they are playing at - their last TV advert was absolutely awful too. I've just read that Yes Scotland received £168,000 in donations in the last month while Better Together received no donations.

[JimBHibees]

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Jeezo, that poster is cringeworthy. So by default, if you are intending voting yes, you don't love your family.

Are the no camp actually trying to win this referendum? Looks like their entire campaign is about to self-destruct.

Simply appalling.

[marinello59]

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I don't have a clue what they are playing at - their last TV advert was absolutely awful too. I've just read that Yes Scotland received £168,000 in donations in the last month while Better Together received no donations.

It certainly shows in the literature we are getting through our letter boxes. The Yes campaign stuff is more plentiful and better quality.

[Moulin Yarns]

A view from over the seas. Malta to be precise. Copy and paste alert for those that don't want them.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...ake-it-.533778

[JimBHibees]

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A view from over the seas. Malta to be precise. Copy and paste alert for those that don't want them.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...ake-it-.533778

Very good article and is very relevant to the decision coming up on the 18th.

[Hibrandenburg]

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A view from over the seas. Malta to be precise. Copy and paste alert for those that don't want them.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...ake-it-.533778

Enjoyed that, thanks!

[Fergus52]

has anyone heard the american radio show's coverage on the indyref?

if you search #indyref on facebook and scroll down a bit it'll come up.

hearing an un-biased neutral's take on the debate is pretty eye opening in regards to the British media bias.

[JeMeSouviens]

Thanks for the link!

When George Borg Olivier made his formal request for Malta’s independence 50 years ago, he insisted that things would be better off if all decisions affecting Malta are made by the Maltese in the sole interest of Malta. Today we can say that he has been proved right, in spite of the many problems that we sometimes created unnecessarily for ourselves.

All the scaremongering about the value of our currency, about the impossibility of providing so many jobs, about the improbability of raising our standard of living and of not succeeding as a small island nation has evaporated into thin air, and we will be proudly celebrating our country’s 50 years of independence just when Scotland will be taking its historic decision.

Is there a single example of a country that gained independence via self determination from within a larger state and has asked to go back?

[Bristolhibby]

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Thanks for the link!






Is there a single example of a country that gained independence via self determination from within a larger state and has asked to go back?

Texas

[snooky]

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Texas

We have a winner! (or in the case of Texas, a loser )

[7 Hills]

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Texas

Texas didn't secede as an independent state; it became part of the Confederacy, adopting the themes of that entity.

[ronaldo7]

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A view from over the seas. Malta to be precise. Copy and paste alert for those that don't want them.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...ake-it-.533778

I'm loving the pooling and sharing of resources on this thread. Keep posting the links please.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Yep it is amazing what strange bedfellows Better Together has created.

Perhaps so. This seems to be a popular refrain amongst some of the Yes supporters.

It does conjure up images of glass houses and stones though.

The Yes camp don't seem to be too hot in acknowledging that Brian Souter has put a significant sum of money their way.

This is the man who put a million pounds of his own money into trying to stop Section 28 being repealed.

I'm guessing (well, hoping) that most of the Yes supporters on here aren't rampant homophobes who want the law to treat gay people unfairly?

And I've also seen many, many links to the Wings over Scotland blog being posted and lauded on here.

This is the same blogger who wrote a lengthy piece blaming Hillsborough on the fans.

Hating gays and blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. By that measure Ol' Pishybreeks doesn't seem so bad.......

[bawheid]

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The No campaign's latest poster is yet another insult, who comes up with this garbage?

Absolutely desperate stuff.

[Bristolhibby]

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Texas didn't secede as an independent state; it became part of the Confederacy, adopting the themes of that entity.

It did secede, just from Mexico in 1836.

It joined the Union (USA) in 1846.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas

So for 10 years there was a free state in North America.

J

[degenerated]

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Perhaps so. This seems to be a popular refrain amongst some of the Yes supporters.

It does conjure up images of glass houses and stones though.

The Yes camp don't seem to be too hot in acknowledging that Brian Souter has put a significant sum of money their way.

This is the man who put a million pounds of his own money into trying to stop Section 28 being repealed.

I'm guessing (well, hoping) that most of the Yes supporters on here aren't rampant homophobes who want the law to treat gay people unfairly?

And I've also seen many, many links to the Wings over Scotland blog being posted and lauded on here.

This is the same blogger who wrote a lengthy piece blaming Hillsborough on the fans.

Hating gays and blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. By that measure Ol' Pishybreeks doesn't seem so bad.......

You're correct in that Brian Souter is not someone yes should have associated themselves with and should have declined his money.
However, and here's the whataboutery, no has registered campaigners such as holocaust denier Alistair McConnachie, the Britannica Party, the Orange order and Ian Taylor of Vitol fame. Without wishing to appear like I'm condoning souters views because I find him abhorrent, those listed above are seriously vile organisations/individuals.

[7 Hills]

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It did secede, just from Mexico in 1836.

It joined the Union (USA) in 1846.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas

So for 10 years there was a free state in North America.

J

I know that, but your original point was that Texas elected to rejoin a union which it had previously left to become an independent state. Which it clearly didn't.

[Future17]

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I don't have a clue what they are playing at - their last TV advert was absolutely awful too. I've just read that Yes Scotland received £168,000 in donations in the last month while Better Together received no donations.

Better Together have declined further donations as they have reached their spending limit of £1.5 million.

[Mibbes Aye]

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You're correct in that Brian Souter is not someone yes should have associated themselves with and should have declined his money.
However, and here's the whataboutery, no has registered campaigners such as holocaust denier Alistair McConnachie, the Britannica Party, the Orange order and Ian Taylor of Vitol fame. Without wishing to appear like I'm condoning souters views because I find him abhorrent, those listed above are seriously vile organisations/individuals.

I agree with that. Bammers on both sides.