Scottish Independence

[sauzee_4]

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Another day another report warning of financial problems in the event of a yes vote. Also gives reasons why there will be no currency union

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...dence.23916385

Hi lucky, you haven't replied to my post earlier, do you have a counter argument to the one I put forward?

On this, Standard and Poors have recently said Scotland could 'easily' float it's own currency 'without any major problems'. The Fiscal Commission has put forward the pound without a Currency Union as a perfectly feasible option too, so why are we to be scared of having no currency union?

It's a prefferred option not a necessity.

Again my previous point regarding no more Tories and a government we actually voted for was a far more fundamental point but you appear reluctant to counter it?

Apologies if you've just missed it

[Beefster]

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On this, Standard and Poors have recently said Scotland could 'easily' float it's own currency 'without any major problems'. The Fiscal Commission has put forward the pound without a Currency Union as a perfectly feasible option too, so why are we to be scared of having no currency union?

AFAIK no-one has claimed we should be scared of our own currency. The issue is with the SNP saying that currency union will happen.

[sauzee_4]

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AFAIK no-one has claimed we should be scared of our own currency. The issue is with the SNP saying that currency union will happen.

Is that a reason to vote No? The facts are before you, if we don't get a Currency Union we will be perfectly ok. And the SNP can get emptied after the vote😀

[Beefster]

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Is that a reason to vote No? The facts are before you, if we don't get a Currency Union we will be perfectly ok. And the SNP can get emptied after the vote

You argued against a point that I don't think has been made on this thread. I was just letting you know.

[sauzee_4]

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You argued against a point that I don't think has been made on this thread. I was just letting you know.

I asked a question, is the SNP's stance on currency a reason to vote no, when the evidence suggests a Scottish Currency or use of the pound outwith a union would be both be perfectly viable?

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So far this week we have had Lord Robertson saying a yes vote would be cataclysmic for the western world. Followed by scaremongering that our energy bills will rise post yes vote(they would fall) in Scotland.

Another fine example of how we would be better split from London is highlighted again this week, Maria Miller and her expenses.

[lucky]

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Hi lucky, you haven't replied to my post earlier, do you have a counter argument to the one I put forward?

On this, Standard and Poors have recently said Scotland could 'easily' float it's own currency 'without any major problems'. The Fiscal Commission has put forward the pound without a Currency Union as a perfectly feasible option too, so why are we to be scared of having no currency union?

It's a prefferred option not a necessity.

Again my previous point regarding no more Tories and a government we actually voted for was a far more fundamental point but you appear reluctant to counter it?

Apologies if you've just missed it

Must have missed it. Think others have now replied. In the event of independence I would want our own currency. It would be fool hardy to have economic control over to another state. Before anyone jumps in, at present The 4 nations of the UK are represented at westminister.

[marinello59]

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So far this week we have had Lord Robertson saying a yes vote would be cataclysmic for the western world. Followed by scaremongering that our energy bills will rise post yes vote(they would fall) in Scotland.

Another fine example of how we would be better split from London is highlighted again this week, Maria Miller and her expenses.

That's just an example of politicians greed rather than a reason to vote Yes. We have several home grown offenders including Salmond himself.
Lord Robertson's stuff is bonkers though. It's too daft to be scaremongering.

[sauzee_4]

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Must have missed it. Think others have now replied. In the event of independence I would want our own currency. It would be fool hardy to have economic control over to another state. Before anyone jumps in, at present The 4 nations of the UK are represented at westminister.

Thanks, I'm no expert on currency, can only really go on what the experts say and they seem to be saying a currency union should be 1st choice. I personally wouldn't be surprised to see us launch our own currency eventually.

I was really wanting an answer to the question though, why should we put up with the Tories any longer when we don't need to? Scotland is a left wing country with left wing views but nobody at Westminster represents these views. As someone said before Labour might aswell be called the Red Tories

[lucky]

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Thanks, I'm no expert on currency, can only really go on what the experts say and they seem to be saying a currency union should be 1st choice. I personally wouldn't be surprised to see us launch our own currency eventually.

I was really wanting an answer to the question though, why should we put up with the Tories any longer when we don't need to? Scotland is a left wing country with left wing views but nobody at Westminster represents these views. As someone said before Labour might aswell be called the Red Tories

This is not a vote about the Tories. Not that long ago Scotland always voted Tory. In the event of a yes vote the political landscape will change and none of us know if it will be a left wing country or not. I would argue that the SNPs proposal to cut corporation tax is more right wing than the Tories

[sauzee_4]

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This is not a vote about the Tories. Not that long ago Scotland always voted Tory. In the event of a yes vote the political landscape will change and none of us know if it will be a left wing country or not. I would argue that the SNPs proposal to cut corporation tax is more right wing than the Tories

But we as people are left-wing so you would expect our government to reflect that, or they wouldn't be elected.

And you are speaking about the SNP again who are irrelevant, I think I get the point you are making though but it is flawed as the SNP are clearly on the whole a left-leaning party

[allmodcons]

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That's just an example of politicians greed rather than a reason to vote Yes. We have several home grown offenders including Salmond himself.
Lord Robertson's stuff is bonkers though. It's too daft to be scaremongering.

Can you provide some evidence in support of this statement please?

[allmodcons]

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AFAIK no-one has claimed we should be scared of our own currency. The issue is with the SNP saying that currency union will happen.

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I asked a question, is the SNP's stance on currency a reason to vote no, when the evidence suggests a Scottish Currency or use of the pound outwith a union would be both be perfectly viable?

I am certain (yes certain) in my mind that an iScotland will be using the pound either as 1) part of a formal currency arrangement with rUK or 2) pegged to sterling with no national debt. I don’t buy the line about us defaulting on debt and being treated by the International Money Markets as some kind of pariah state. How can an iScotland be accused of defaulting on debt where the UK has taken responsibility for the full debt obligation? IMO International Money Markets will operate wherever they can make a profit.

[sauzee_4]

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I am certain (yes certain) in my mind that an iScotland will be using the pound either as 1) part of a formal currency arrangement with rUK or 2) pegged to sterling with no national debt. I don’t buy the line about us defaulting on debt and being treated by the International Money Markets as some kind of pariah state. How can an iScotland be accused of defaulting on debt where the UK has taken responsibility for the full debt obligation? IMO International Money Markets will operate wherever they can make a profit.

Agreed

[marinello59]

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Can you provide some evidence in support of this statement please?

Of his greed? I am pretty sure the evidence is easily found with a quick Google if you care to see it.
I'll summarise though. During his time at Westminster MP's were entitled to claim up to £400 a month for food, no questions asked. Which Salmond duly did. Including a couple of months whilst the Parliament was in recess. Given that he was also a MSP at the time his attendance down there was minimal making his claims all the more remarkable. He didn't break the rules but any reasonable person would surely consider his actions on the greedy side. Don't you?
Or how about his Westminster 'redundancy ' package? Over 60k of taxpayers money claimed in order to ease himself back in to ordinary life after serving as an elected politician. Only he was continuing to serve as an elected politician at Holyrood. He didn't break any rules there either and claimed that it would be remarkable if anybody didn't accept that money. Well it would have been if they weren't going to carry on in another Parliament. I reckon that's greedy too. Salmond being the clever political animal that he is though sought to lessen any disapproval at accepting all that tax payers money by donating half of it to charity. Very commendable expect the charity was named after his late Mother and the money was all dispersed in his own North East power base. I would guess that every MSP would love to have over 20K of taxpayers money to do good works in their own constituency.
I don't care if it Labour/Tory/LibDem or SNP, every single one of them has members who have dipped their snouts in to the public trough.

[marinello59]

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I am certain (yes certain) in my mind that an iScotland will be using the pound either as 1) part of a formal currency arrangement with rUK or 2) pegged to sterling with no national debt. I don’t buy the line about us defaulting on debt and being treated by the International Money Markets as some kind of pariah state. How can an iScotland be accused of defaulting on debt where the UK has taken responsibility for the full debt obligation? IMO International Money Markets will operate wherever they can make a profit.

You forgot option 3, using the Euro, agreed as part of the negotiations to minimise any disruption to our continued membership of the EU. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[Beefster]

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I am certain (yes certain) in my mind that an iScotland...

My six-year-old son's certain that he's Tony Stark and that it's only a matter of time before he invents the Iron Man suit. It encourages him to see maths and science as important and aspire to be a scientist when he's older though so we just leave him to it.

P.S. I find it mildly amusing that you can drag up muck on politicians and business bosses at the drop of a hat but need someone else to find you evidence of Salmond's questionable expenses.

[allmodcons]

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My six-year-old son's certain that he's Tony Stark and that it's only a matter of time before he invents the Iron Man suit. It encourages him to see maths and science as important and aspire to be a scientist when he's older though so we just leave him to it.

P.S. I find it mildly amusing that you can drag up muck on politicians and business bosses at the drop of a hat but need someone else to find you evidence of Salmond's questionable expenses.

Top response. You could take a lesson from your son, you're sounding about as infantile as a 3 year old.

I don't 'drag up muck', as you put it. If you're referring to the fines I listed in respect of Standard Life, Weir Group and BP you'll find they are all factual.

I know it's easy to drag up muck on politicians, so I rarely (if ever) do it. Show me a single post where I have 'dragged up muck' on a politician.

[sauzee_4]

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My six-year-old son's certain that he's Tony Stark and that it's only a matter of time before he invents the Iron Man suit. It encourages him to see maths and science as important and aspire to be a scientist when he's older though so we just leave him to it.

P.S. I find it mildly amusing that you can drag up muck on politicians and business bosses at the drop of a hat but need someone else to find you evidence of Salmond's questionable expenses.

Hi Beefster,

Originally Posted by sauzee_4
I asked a question, is the SNP's stance on currency a reason to vote no, when the evidence suggests a Scottish Currency or use of the pound outwith a union would be both be perfectly viable?

[allmodcons]

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You forgot option 3, using the Euro, agreed as part of the negotiations to minimise any disruption to our continued membership of the EU. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

The Euro isn't as untouchable as some commentators are suggesting. At the risk of getting a ridiculous response again I am certain (yes certain) that the Euro will not be adpoted post a Yes vote.

Busy just now, but will get back to you on your Salmond rant

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@18SEPT2014: James Kelly Labour MSP expenses for 2012/13 = £21,827.28
@AlexSalmond First Minister of #Scotland expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68 #YES2014

@18SEPT2014: James Kelly Labour MSP expenses for 2012/13 = £21,827.28
@AlexSalmond First Minister of #Scotland expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68 #YES2014

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@18SEPT2014: James Kelly Labour MSP expenses for 2012/13 = £21,827.28 @AlexSalmond First Minister of #Scotland expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68 #YES2014 @18SEPT2014: James Kelly Labour MSP expenses for 2012/13 = £21,827.28 @AlexSalmond First Minister of #Scotland expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68 #YES2014

Oops meant to post this too, phone playing up:

@18SEPT2014: FM Jack McConnell expenses for 2005/06 = £16,447.03
@AlexSalmond Current FM expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68
Go work that out! #YES2014

[Beefster]

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Hi Beefster,

Originally Posted by sauzee_4
I asked a question, is the SNP's stance on currency a reason to vote no, when the evidence suggests a Scottish Currency or use of the pound outwith a union would be both be perfectly viable?

Currency has very little to do with my voting intentions.

Everyone else is perfectly entitled to vote on whatever basis they want so yes, it may be a valid reason for someone else's vote.

[Beefster]

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Top response. You could take a lesson from your son, you're sounding about as infantile as a 3 year old.

That's all very well but he's six.

If it takes an infantile response to get over the absurdity of using "I don't have any evidence, I'm just certain it will happen" as a debating point, so be it.

[marinello59]

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The Euro isn't as untouchable as some commentators are suggesting. At the risk of getting a ridiculous response again I am certain (yes certain) that the Euro will not be adpoted post a Yes vote.

Busy just now, but will get back to you on your Salmond rant

Rant? You asked for evidence of the mans greed that you could easily have found yourself. My point is that an Independent Scotland will not magically make greedy politicians disappear.

[sauzee_4]

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That's all very well but he's six.

If it takes an infantile response to get over the absurdity of using "I don't have any evidence, I'm just certain it will happen" as a debating point, so be it.

Ach well, there will be no more Tory governments in an independent Scotland, unless we want one. There is some certainty for you

A government which takes from the working classes and gives to the rich is not welcome here

[PeeJay]

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The Euro isn't as untouchable as some commentators are suggesting. At the risk of getting a ridiculous response again I am certain (yes certain) that the Euro will not be adpoted post a Yes vote.

Busy just now, but will get back to you on your Salmond rant

May not be untouchable, but it is a long way down the road. Pretty sure that Scotland (an independent Scotland) cannot adopt the euro as its currency. It would have to be a member of the ERM and that would entail Scotland already having it's own currency ... (pound sterling is obviously not part of the ERM either) ...

[marinello59]

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Oops meant to post this too, phone playing up:

@18SEPT2014: FM Jack McConnell expenses for 2005/06 = £16,447.03
@AlexSalmond Current FM expenses for 2012/13 = £11.636.68
Go work that out! #YES2014

Both First Ministers in our devolved Parliament at the time of their claims . I don't see the relvance. Or are you merely making the point that SNP = GOOD, everybody else = BAD. This isn't about the SNP is it?

[Beefster]

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A government which takes from the working classes and gives to the rich is not welcome here

I'm no fan of the current UK government but stuff like this is just beyond parody.

[allmodcons]

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That's all very well but he's six.

If it takes an infantile response to get over the absurdity of using "I don't have any evidence, I'm just certain it will happen" as a debating point, so be it.

Debate then!

What currency do you think an iScotland will adopt post a Yes vote if not the pound sterling in one of the two formats suggested in my earlier post?