Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[Alfred E Newman]

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Great point bud


I have older hibbies reminding me the same, when we use to beat them all the time.
It's long overdue for a turnaround, in fact domination should have started last season and this season, if our players were even half competent.

Another thing people forget is we only played them twice a season pre 1975. Our win ratio would have been much higher.
Those were great times and unlike now the mental block wasn't there and we expected to win every time we played them.

[Dashing Bob S]

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They're not going to disappear. There were be a team calling itself Hearts and playing in maroon next season. It's just a matter of which league they're in and where they're playing their home games.

On the personnel front they might also have to dispense with the services of World Cup stars.

[Waxy]

If it weren't for the cup final penalty,Leigh's goal of the season not given when two foot over the line and sundays onside by over a yard goal given offside i'd say keep it. But it's very clear now we are fighing against more than just a mingy wee turd coloured club. We're fighting corruption. So i hope the next derby is the last ever.

[greenpaper55]

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In the first SEVENTEEN years of my life, Hearts beat Hibs FOUR times in THIRTY ONE games.


No, you didn't misread that. From February 1966 to February 1983 (to give only complete years), they won four games against Hibs, in all competitions.


All I ask for is for them to go back to that era, before Mercer, Robinson and Vlad engaged in the spending spree that go them to where they are now.

Is that too much to ask for?

They hated playing us and i want to get back to these days, we now have a level playing field as regards spending power not counting the other 390,000 fans of course ! so lets put them firmly in their place again.

[GreenLake]

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Another thing people forget is we only played them twice a season pre 1975. Our win ratio would have been much higher.
Those were great times and unlike now the mental block wasn't there and we expected to win every time we played them.

They will be worse than that 70's Hearts team next season but unfortunately for us, our team is not going to dominate them like back then because our guys will be unlikely to play at the level of the Hibs 70's team.

[Dashing Bob S]

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They will be worse than that 70's Hearts team next season but unfortunately for us, our team is not going to dominate them like back then because our guys will be unlikely to play at the level of the Hibs 70's team.

A more practical issue is that we aren't going have a chance to beat them for years (unless we draw them in the cups) as we'll be in different leagues.

[GloryGlory]

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On the personnel front they might also have to dispense with the services of World Cup stars.

Shame that!

Never mind, though - they can still fill their 51,000 seater superstadium every match from the 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 fan base.

[MrSmith]

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S'not possible.

Why not? I'm intrigued :)

[Seveno]

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Thanks CWG - you have the patience of a saint. Lets face it we may not get as far as finding out whether the Lithuanian Courts will unfreeze the shares.

I do understand all this. I just don't see why BDO would drive straight at the wall and risk the damage to their reputation without being crystal clear about what issues face them and thus manage expectations, rather than vague statements about hurdles to be overcome. Hence my speculation that they might have reason to believe it not to be an issue.

I would be very surprised if some journalists were not following this thread carefully so I can't believe they're not aware of the issue. Maybe they've got plenty to write about at the moment and havegot their headlines about ‘Hearts being broken at the final hurdle by Lith courts bombshell’ on ice for a later date. It's a much better story, should it even get that far of course.

I think that Jackson and the MSM cover the frozen shares issue under the general heading of 'having to get the courts to rubber stamp the deal'. They just omit to explain why this is necessary and thus avoid having to explain why it is unlikely to happen.

[Oscar T Grouch]

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Why not? I'm intrigued :)

To save CWG doing it again, and I night be wrong, HMFC own swine castle if they liquidate it goes on general sale, if they don't liquidate it remains an asset of HMFC, the admins will never "own" it to rent it back to them I think thats they way it is anyways.

[Dashing Bob S]

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I think that Jackson and the MSM cover the frozen shares issue under the general heading of 'having to get the courts to rubber stamp the deal'. They just omit to explain why this is necessary and thus avoid having to explain why it is unlikely to happen.

Yes, the reason being that the stamp is rubber, so it can also stretch to encompass other issues. I even see it as having a role in the liquidation sale and the disposal of assets, including the PBS. Therefore it has survived, whereas the green light seems to have gone.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Why not? I'm intrigued :)

The UKIO admin wouldn't buy the PBS. His job is to get cash for his creditors, not to take on new assets.

Remember that the PBS is owned by HMFC, and would remain so in a liquidation, despite the security over it. UKIO, as security holder, would get a fair chunk of the selling price, but they wouldn't own it.

[MrSmith]

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The UKIO admin wouldn't buy the PBS. His job is to get cash for his creditors, not to take on new assets.

Remember that the PBS is owned by HMFC, and would remain so in a liquidation, despite the security over it. UKIO, as security holder, would get a fair chunk of the selling price, but they wouldn't own it.

Ah I see but would that mean they could rent back to themselves then? ;) carrying on a theme ...

[CropleyWasGod]

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To save CWG doing it again, and I night be wrong, HMFC own swine castle if they liquidate it goes on general sale, if they don't liquidate it remains an asset of HMFC, the admins will never "own" it to rent it back to them I think thats they way it is anyways.

Ahhhh.... my job here is done.....

[Mikey]

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Ahhhh.... my job here is done.....

Hold it, you can't go until BDO have sold a couple of players to pay their fees

[Gordy M]

I apologise in advance if this is old ground, but if we assume the shares are frozen, would that stop the £2.5 millin being paid to ukio? If it would, why wouldnt ukio/ubig not just reject the cva and therefore take the proceeds of a liquidation sale? Or would the 2.5 mill be paid irrrespective of the shares being released from the court?

[AinsterHibs]

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Hold it, you can't go until BDO have sold a couple of players to pay their fees

Lol....:tbgwa:

[Coco Bryce]

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Do you seriously think that Bryan Jackson is Bajillions ?

How on earth would BJ have the time to post on this thread ?
Cannae see it myself !

[Keith_M]

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Another thing people forget is we only played them twice a season pre 1975. Our win ratio would have been much higher.
Those were great times and unlike now the mental block wasn't there and we expected to win every time we played them.

Added to the fact that for five whole seasons, we didn't play each other at all. Four of them being Hearts in a lower league and one for us.

[Big Frank]

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They hate us wee hate them, let them disappear of the face of the earth so wee can have the biggest party Leith has ever seen.

And all it means is there won't be a derby game anymore, i can live with that.

hurrah!

[Winston Ingram]

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If it weren't for the cup final penalty,Leigh's goal of the season not given when two foot over the line and sundays onside by over a yard goal given offside i'd say keep it. But it's very clear now we are fighing against more than just a mingy wee turd coloured club. We're fighting corruption. So i hope the next derby is the last ever.

You sound like a a jambo

[Leith Mo]

If (I pray to God) Aberdeen manage to do what we couldn't do on Sunday and finally nail those Sc.. tonight, is there anything to stop an appeal to the puddle drinkers to buy season tickets (on the assumption of playing in the Wee League next season) in a last gasp effort to get the funds to see them through the close season?

This might get them the time they need but should not be given? SEND THEM DOWN (To the inner circle of Hell from whence they came).

[Keith_M]

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..... is there anything to stop an appeal to the puddle drinkers to buy season tickets (.......) in a last gasp effort to get the funds to see them through the close season?.

This has been done to death already but...


Yes.


They can't sell Season Tickets, BDO have already admitted as much.

[CB_NO3]

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This has been done to death already but...


Yes.


They can't sell Season Tickets, BDO have already admitted as much.

I think they could but they wont. It would ruin the business plan that Budge and the FOH set up, but there is nothing to stop them selling 1000 season tickets tomorrow.

[21.05.2016]

Do I want them gone? Abso-****ing-lutely! Yes, i'll miss the derby, it's a great atmostphere and when we beat them its feels oh so good wiping the smug grins off their faces. However, thats just it, they are smug, arrogant, deluded morons far too indulged in there own self importance and think they are far bigger than they actually are. The reality is though that through the finacial doping (cheating) these fantasies have been fuelled, hense why the morons all danced away merrily in Vlad fantasy world whilst everyone else could see it was a complete disaster in the making. Well they've had their fun and their ill-gotten cheated bits of glory along the way but now it's time to pay for it! Hearts fans can play the "we are the poor wee victims" card all they like but the reality is, they ignored the dangers because they were too busy sucking up the glory and playing the "we are a big super club" routine.

Horrible, immoral, corrupt scabby little organisation that don't desereve to be let off. Many people, small businesses and even charities! have been ripped off just so that lot can give it the big un'. They've cheated every other club in the league living within their means. Their nasty wee club doesn't deserve to be here anymore. There deluded, arrogant fans wont be so smug then.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Hold it, you can't go until BDO have sold a couple of players to pay their fees

What about ma fees????

Oh, right, they're selling Billy Brown for that.... I get you.

[Geo_1875]

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Do I want them gone? Abso-****ing-lutely! Yes, i'll miss the derby, it's a great atmostphere and when we beat them its feels oh so good wiping the smug grins off their faces. However, thats just it, they are smug, arrogant, deluded morons far too indulged in there own self importance and think they are far bigger than they actually are. The reality is though that through the finacial doping (cheating) these fantasies have been fuelled, hense why the morons all danced away merrily in Vlad fantasy world whilst everyone else could see it was a complete disaster in the making. Well they've had their fun and their ill-gotten cheated bits of glory along the way but now it's time to pay for it! Hearts fans can play the "we are the poor wee victims" card all they like but the reality is, they ignored the dangers because they were too busy sucking up the glory and playing the "we are a big super club" routine.

Horrible, immoral, corrupt scabby little organisation that don't desereve to be let off. Many people, small businesses and even charities! have been ripped off just so that lot can give it the big un'. They've cheated every other club in the league living within their means. Their nasty wee club doesn't deserve to be here anymore. There deluded, arrogant fans wont be so smug then.

I agree.

[Leith Mo]

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I think they could but they wont. It would ruin the business plan that Budge and the FOH set up, but there is nothing to stop them selling 1000 season tickets tomorrow.

I concur!

I thought the understanding was they wouldn't sell season tickets as they could not guarantee which league they would be playing in (ie when they deluded ones thought they could even escape relegation) although of course the real reason was not to damage the Save Hearts In Trouble "business plan".

Now it is 99.9% accepted by even their most deluded cretin that they are doomed, is there any actual legal impediment to prevent the sale of season tickets for the Championship? (Not that the law matters to them).

[hibseleven]

Jamie Borthwick ‏@jamiekborthwick 45m It's positive noise from Ukio and UBIG's admins and it is hoped that Siauliu have been persuaded to vote in favour too. But no guarantees.


seen this on twitter

[Geo_1875]

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I concur!

I thought the understanding was they wouldn't sell season tickets as they could not guarantee which league they would be playing in (ie when they deluded ones thought they could even escape relegation) although of course the real reason was not to damage the Save Hearts In Trouble "business plan".

Now it is 99.9% accepted by even their most deluded cretin that they are doomed, is there any actual legal impediment to prevent the sale of season tickets for the Championship? (Not that the law matters to them).

But surely they can't create more creditors while in administration?