Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

**~~nribs~~** · 13-01-2014 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bajillions

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I missed a fact out and it's probably the most important of them all.

As of today Hearts have only submitteda request to sign ONE player. This happened on Friday. The SPFL board haven't considered it yet because they are waiting on a copy of the contract to confirm it's the same or lower terms.

the same as or lower terms than who though??

**~~Saorsa~~** · 13-01-2014 09:52 PM

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the same as or lower terms than who though??

The player they claim he's replacing.

**~~nribs~~** · 13-01-2014 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

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The player they claim he's replacing.

cleared that up then cheers :)

**monktonharp** · 13-01-2014 09:58 PM

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I wouldnae worry about it bud. The semi in on Feb 2nd. They would have to be signed sometime in January which is not going to happen.

beat me to it.

**~~Nomeancity~~** · 13-01-2014 10:05 PM

Let them sign who they want now. They are gone, they need to win 7 more games than the team above them. Not going to happen. The quicker they get out of admin, the quicker they start racking up the debt, and the fun starts all over again. They never learn- they are already talking about how they are going to scoosh the championship with all their new players-which will be bought with cash they don't have. Next year is going to be even better watching them - kids in a sweetie shop.

**~~Nomeancity~~** · 13-01-2014 10:07 PM

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Let them sign who they want now. They are gone, they need to win 7 more games than the team above them. Not going to happen. The quicker they get out of admin, the quicker they start racking up the debt, and the fun starts all over again. They never learn- they are already talking about how they are going to scoosh the championship with all their new players-which will be bought with cash they don't have. Next year is going to be even better watching them - kids in a sweetie shop.

And I'm sick of listening to them going on about the injustice of it all - just let them sign some players. One less excuse they can use to avoid the truth.

**Ronniekirk** · 13-01-2014 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bajillions

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Some of you lot are worse than the posters on Sickbag.

Here's the facts:

The Yams are still under embargo. Absolutely nothing has changed on that front since the start of the season
The "One In, One Out" rule is at the discretion of the SPFL. No transfers have been authorised at this stage
This rule does not give Hearts free reign to boot as many players as they want and sign whoever they please. Talk of 5 players is utter pie in the sky. Each one will
If Hearts are allowed to sign players they will need to be on the same or lower wages.
Hearts are still 20 points behind Ross County with only 16 games left to play. Ross County still have a game in hand
Signing Skacel and Driver won't change #5. The 2 of them have scored a total of 5 goals between them since they played us in that Final
BDO still don't have any of the shares they need to complete a sale and money is running out.
They are all still a bunch of cheating, charity robbing, paedo employing, puddle drink morons.

There. Now if you're still running around like this

because you bought everything the media have told you since teatime then give yourself a good slap across the face and GET A GRIP FFS!

That's crystal clear .

But can I just chech how many pies in the sky they might be allowed ?

**~~Saorsa~~** · 13-01-2014 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nomeancity

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And I'm sick of listening to them going on about the injustice of it all - just let them sign some players. One less excuse they can use to avoid the truth.

Aye, lets just dae away with the rules so the next team that does it can come along and say, aye well you let them away with it. They are suffering the consequences of their own actions.

**NadeAteMyLunch!** · 13-01-2014 10:15 PM

Why does Doncaster keep casting up the Danny Wilson signing and relating it to the current situation? They were not in Administration when Wilson came in this time last year. Surely that makes it a completely different situation?!
A transfer embargo should mean just that. It shouldn't be one in one out. That's absolute nonsense. We're having to do one in one out, as most teams living within their means have to at this time of year. They shouldn't be given the same conditions as other teams whilst in Administration.

**~~Nomeancity~~** · 13-01-2014 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

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Aye, lets just dae away with the rules so the next team that does it can come along and say, aye well you let them away with it. They are suffering the consequences of their own actions.

To be honest I'm past caring about the right and wrongs of the footballing side of the rules. They are gone so it makes no difference. What bugs me is how little it is mentioned that people lost their jobs in all this and businesses haven't been paid. Yet they think it's ok to spend money on players - if only the football rules would allow it. Imagine your a small business having to write off say £2k, then you hear they are looking to sign a player and pay him this a week!!

**~~Saorsa~~** · 13-01-2014 10:29 PM

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To be honest I'm past caring about the right and wrongs of the footballing side of the rules. They are gone so it makes no difference. What bugs me is how little it is mentioned that people lost their jobs in all this and businesses haven't been paid. Yet they think it's ok to spend money on players - if only the football rules would allow it. Imagine your a small business haven't to write off say £2k, then you hear they are looking to sign a player and pay him this a week!!

I care about the rules, cheats need tae pay the penalty. I think the team they are playing in the cup semi-final might care too about them being allowed tae strengthen their team, don't you?

***micksoo*** · 13-01-2014 10:31 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25710173

The quote from Doncaster suggests that they have already registered 10 players last summer using the one out one in rule. (If I am reading this correctly). With this in mind surely they can only apply to replace players who leave going forward.

There is no mention in the rules that the player coming in must be on less than the player going out. I doubt the administrator would sanction a considerable increase in wages with the risk if them running out if money.

**Dashing Bob S** · 13-01-2014 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bajillions

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Some of you lot are worse than the posters on Sickbag.

Here's the facts:

The Yams are still under embargo. Absolutely nothing has changed on that front since the start of the season
The "One In, One Out" rule is at the discretion of the SPFL. No transfers have been authorised at this stage
This rule does not give Hearts free reign to boot as many players as they want and sign whoever they please. Talk of 5 players is utter pie in the sky. Each one will
If Hearts are allowed to sign players they will need to be on the same or lower wages.
Hearts are still 20 points behind Ross County with only 16 games left to play. Ross County still have a game in hand
Signing Skacel and Driver won't change #5. The 2 of them have scored a total of 5 goals between them since they played us in that Final
BDO still don't have any of the shares they need to complete a sale and money is running out.
They are all still a bunch of cheating, charity robbing, paedo employing, puddle drink morons.

There. Now if you're still running around like this

because you bought everything the media have told you since teatime then give yourself a good slap across the face and GET A GRIP FFS!

Beautifully put as per usual. I'd like to folk concentrate more on the second last point. Hearts and the media will be forced to catch up with that one soon.

**~~Saorsa~~** · 13-01-2014 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

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Beautifully put as per usual. I'd like to folk concentrate more on the second last point. Hearts and the media will be forced to catch up with that one soon.

**#FromTheCapital** · 13-01-2014 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch!

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Why does Doncaster keep casting up the Danny Wilson signing and relating it to the current situation? They were not in Administration when Wilson came in this time last year. Surely that makes it a completely different situation?!
A transfer embargo should mean just that. It shouldn't be one in one out. That's absolute nonsense. We're having to do one in one out, as most teams living within their means have to at this time of year. They shouldn't be given the same conditions as other teams whilst in Administration.

Wilson was only supposed to be on loan until the end of last season but he signed for hearts after they went into administration. The reason they allowed it was because he was still on hearts books so there was no need for him to register with hearts.
I think Doncaster is trying to draw comparisons because although hearts weren't in admin this time last year they had an embargo in place which meant they could only sign under 21's on a 1 out 1 in basis. There's still no comparison with that situation and the current one though. Hearts are looking to register players such as Skacel and Driver when they're in admin, which is why this will NOT happen. The desperation is laughable, all they're doing is making bigger fools of themselves and setting their idiot fans up for more disappointment.

**~~Nomeancity~~** · 13-01-2014 10:38 PM

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I care about the rules, cheats need tae pay the penalty. I think the team they are playing in the cup semi-final might care too about them being allowed tae strengthen their team, don't you?

Fair point re cup semi. But I'm not being too serious about them signing players. Just trying to get across that they are so far behind that it makes no difference. But agree the rules are the rules and they shouldn't be allowed - and I'm confident they won't be.
You have to admit though that it in their complete delusion it is giving them a cause(albeit unjustified) that they can say they are being unfairly treated and if they could sign players they would have survived

**PatHead** · 13-01-2014 10:42 PM

Can picture BDOs pitch to SPFL- "As things stand we don't have enough money to see out the season. We desperately need to sell a couple of players to raise cash so if we can sell Wilson and Adam King can we replace them with Driver and Big Nose. The added benefit of this is that the muppet supporters will turn up in their thousands helping us through to the end of the season."

Unfortunately I can see SPFL falling for it. The only good news is they are both boggin.

**NadeAteMyLunch!** · 13-01-2014 10:48 PM

"There is huge sympathy for the position that Hearts players, supporters and indeed administrators find themselves in". WTF. The players are getting paid to play football(stop laughing at the back). Most of us dreamed of that opportunity. It could be worse FFS!! The fans?? **** off. They've had 6 tough months to watch-which incidentally has still included two wins against Aberdeen, two derby wins, two cup wins on pens and a forthcoming semi final. They've had 30 years of watching players on the park that they couldn't afford. 10 years of Romanov, winning cups, derby wins, Europe etc and we should have sympathy as a result of 6 poor months!! **** off!! Administrators?? Have I read that right? Sympathy for guys getting paid £500 per hour for doing their job. Incredible

I also see in that report that Jackson has blamed Walkers injury on playing too many games. A broken foot due to playing too many games. Not because of a tackle or landing awkwardly. Because of playing too many games. I've said this once or twice before but seriously, **** off!!!

**~~Saorsa~~** · 13-01-2014 10:48 PM

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Fair point re cup semi. But I'm not being too serious about them signing players. Just trying to get across that they are so far behind that it makes no difference. But agree the rules are the rules and they shouldn't be allowed - and I'm confident they won't be.
You have to admit though that it in their complete delusion it is giving them a cause(albeit unjustified) that they can say they are being unfairly treated and if they could sign players they would have survived

The fuds can say what they like, naebody except them will give a ****. If they hadnae broken the rules and cheated for years they would have survived, that's the real facts, their delusions mean **** all. They did and now they're getting their comeuppance. Tae quote any number of roasters on keechboak, "pleasing".

**Dashing Bob S** · 13-01-2014 10:56 PM

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The fuds can say what they like, naebody except them will give a ****. If they hadnae broken the rules and cheated for years they would have survived, that's the real facts, their delusions mean **** all. They did and now they're getting their comeuppance. Tae quote any number of roasters on keechboak, "pleasing".

Yep. Hopefully this pain is just a small downpayment on the justified splatterings yet to come.

**carnoustiehibee** · 13-01-2014 10:59 PM

I wish I'd kept a list of all the lying, cheating and stealing hearts have done since romanov took over. An endless amount of shameless, deceitful, scaremongering propaganda

I feel sorry for the bairns getting dragged along to games and being forced to support that horrible club

***Spike Mandela*** · 13-01-2014 11:37 PM

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Doncaster was CEO of the SPL at the time, what would he have had to do with an embargo on an SFL3 team?

He was part of the infamous '5 way agreement' on Sevco's negotiations to re-enter league which included the deferred transfer embargo.

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Have you always been the cheery, optimistic sort or has it taken years of practice?

You better ****ing believe this Hearts **** is making me mad

they just won't take their punishment aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh

***Spike Mandela*** · 13-01-2014 11:45 PM

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Some of you lot are worse than the posters on Sickbag.

Here's the facts:

The Yams are still under embargo. Absolutely nothing has changed on that front since the start of the season
The "One In, One Out" rule is at the discretion of the SPFL. No transfers have been authorised at this stage
This rule does not give Hearts free reign to boot as many players as they want and sign whoever they please. Talk of 5 players is utter pie in the sky. Each one will
If Hearts are allowed to sign players they will need to be on the same or lower wages.
Hearts are still 20 points behind Ross County with only 16 games left to play. Ross County still have a game in hand
Signing Skacel and Driver won't change #5. The 2 of them have scored a total of 5 goals between them since they played us in that Final
BDO still don't have any of the shares they need to complete a sale and money is running out.
They are all still a bunch of cheating, charity robbing, paedo employing, puddle drink morons.

There. Now if you're still running around like this

because you bought everything the media have told you since teatime then give yourself a good slap across the face and GET A GRIP FFS!

Bajillions do clubs register their entire squad and squad numbers with the SPFL at the start of the season?

If so any one in one out would surely only involve this squad and not last seasons squad which entered administration in June in the close season wouldn't it?

If they are allowed to replace the likes of Sutton who was made redundant and Zaliukas and Driver who were released from their contracts early, technically (though obviously unlikely in this case) they could be allowed to sign players on the ridiculous salaries that got Hearts into administration in the first place. It's a nonsense.

The SPFL should not have such fudges in their rules. An embargo should be an embargo and that's it.

**Gus Fring** · 14-01-2014 12:31 AM

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Bajillions do clubs register their entire squad and squad numbers with the SPFL at the start of the season?

If so any one in one out would surely only involve this squad and not last seasons squad which entered administration in June in the close season wouldn't it?

If they are allowed to replace the likes of Sutton who was made redundant and Zaliukas and Driver who were released early from their contracts early, technically (though not in this case) they could be allowed to sign players on the ridiculous salaries that got Hearts into administration in the first place. It's a nonsense.

The SPFL should not have such fudges in their rules. An embargo should be an embargo and that's it.

I think the close season is a grey area to the SPFL as it is neither deemed as this season or last season. Since Hearts have already made the request without anyone leaving yet I'm guessing those who have already left can be counted against the "one out".

I don't think BDO are stupid enough to sign someone on a wage that would cause the money to run out faster than it already is. Bryan Jackson will know that one player is not going to generate enough income to justify his wage and something like £7k a week is a big chunk of their wage budget.

We are probably looking at Skacel signing a deal that he see's him play for very little money, if any at all. I've been told he wants to retire playing for Hearts and that the Alloa deal was just a handy way of keeping him occupied until such times as Hearts could sign him. As (their) luck would have it they may be able to do it now. I haven't been able to confirm who the player is though, I'm basing my theory purely on the fact he was at the Hearts game on Saturday when Alloa were also playing.

***Spike Mandela*** · 14-01-2014 12:37 AM

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I think the close season is a grey area to the SPFL as it is neither deemed as this season or last season. Since Hearts have already made the request without anyone leaving yet I'm guessing those who have already left can be counted against the "one out".

I don't think BDO are stupid enough to sign someone on a wage that would cause the money to run out faster than it already is. Bryan Jackson will know that one player is not going to generate enough income to justify his wage and something like £7k a week is a big chunk of their wage budget.

We are probably looking at Skacel signing a deal that he see's him play for very little money, if any at all. I've been told he wants to retire playing for Hearts and that the Alloa deal was just a handy way of keeping him occupied until such times as Hearts could sign him. As (their) luck would have it they may be able to do it now. I haven't been able to confirm who the player is though, I'm basing my theory purely on the fact he was at the Hearts game on Saturday when Alloa were also playing.

Ultimately then if they are allowed to sign players in this fashion then the embargo is meaningless. What is the point of it because all clubs entering administration lose players?

**Hibbibri** · 14-01-2014 12:48 AM

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That's crystal clear .

But can I just chech how many pies in the sky they might be allowed ?

One in one out I believe Ronnie

**gorgie greens** · 14-01-2014 05:43 AM

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Are they entitled to make at least one signing since they have already allowed Adam King to join Swansea?

If King is staying at the yams on a loan basis,how can he be replaced if he is still there

***itslegaltender*** · 14-01-2014 06:06 AM

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If King is staying at the yams on a loan basis,how can he be replaced if he is still there

Wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of additional sponsorship behind the scenes to embellish the wages of the. New signings.

**Hibs07p** · 14-01-2014 06:20 AM

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"There is huge sympathy for the position that Hearts players, supporters and indeed administrators find themselves in". WTF. The players are getting paid to play football(stop laughing at the back). Most of us dreamed of that opportunity. It could be worse FFS!! The fans?? **** off. They've had 6 tough months to watch-which incidentally has still included two wins against Aberdeen, two derby wins, two cup wins on pens and a forthcoming semi final. They've had 30 years of watching players on the park that they couldn't afford. 10 years of Romanov, winning cups, derby wins, Europe etc and we should have sympathy as a result of 6 poor months!! **** off!! Administrators?? Have I read that right? Sympathy for guys getting paid £500 per hour for doing their job. Incredible

I also see in that report that Jackson has blamed Walkers injury on playing too many games. A broken foot due to playing too many games. Not because of a tackle or landing awkwardly. Because of playing too many games. I've said this once or twice before but seriously, **** off!!!

FFS man, dinnae sit on the fence, say what you mean.