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  • Hertz do not exist anymore

    746 48.89%
  • Hertz survive but play in a lower league

    560 36.70%
  • Hertz survive and stay in SPL

    49 3.21%
  • Don't care about them

    171 11.21%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bajillions View Post
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    If they acknowledge that then it gives them considerably less to write/talk about. They can get far more value out of pontificating about Hearts survival. By keeping the frozen assets quiet for the time being it lets the uninformed public think they are getting an unfolding story when in reality nothing has changed for days/weeks. A good journalist will ration his exclusive content across as long a period.

    An editor once said to me "A story is like an elastic band, you stretch as far as you can, taking it slowly. Once it snaps and nobody is interested any more you move on to the next elastic band as quickly as possible"
    Yes, unless something totally left-field and out-of-the-ordinary happens, the next big story is liquidation - either over the next couple of weeks or more likely when the money runs out, probably between October and New Year.

    The rest is just -literally- a media circus.


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    "Mr. Romanov"... That gets right on my wick.
    Gives me the dry boke. No doubt some of the "believers" still refer to him like that. Roasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bajillions View Post
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    If they acknowledge that then it gives them considerably less to write/talk about. They can get far more value out of pontificating about Hearts survival. By keeping the frozen assets quiet for the time being it lets the uninformed public think they are getting an unfolding story when in reality nothing has changed for days/weeks. A good journalist will ration his exclusive content across as long a period.

    An editor once said to me "A story is like an elastic band, you stretch as far as you can, taking it slowly. Once it snaps and nobody is interested any more you move on to the next elastic band as quickly as possible"
    I wonder if it's not even simpler than what you suggest, Bajillions...i.e. they just don't have the foggiest idea what is going on and are writing what they hope and believe to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapillonVert View Post
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    I wonder if it's not even simpler than what you suggest, Bajillions...i.e. they just don't have the foggiest idea what is going on and are writing what they hope and believe to be the case.
    Thats my reading of it, thought they might've learned a few lessons from the sevco debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    Thats my reading of it, thought they might've learned a few lessons from the sevco debacle.
    Ha, learn from the past! They might have to write the truth then, Hutchy!

    Now, that would never do, dear boy!

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    The thing is though, the cyber media age we now live in means we dont need to rely on MSM for info anymore, so, you'd think they'd be as well telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    The thing is though, the cyber media age we now live in means we dont need to rely on MSM for info anymore, so, you'd think they'd be as well telling the truth.
    Typical yams this Hutchy , worry about tomorrow , tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapillonVert View Post
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    I wonder if it's not even simpler than what you suggest, Bajillions...i.e. they just don't have the foggiest idea what is going on and are writing what they hope and believe to be the case.
    That has been shown to be the case on numerous occasions.
    Remember these guys are sports reporters, there is no reason why they should understand the whole situation. They couldn't investigate the situation even if the will was there.

    As long as the get their columns filled on time, job's a good un.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    The thing is though, the cyber media age we now live in means we dont need to rely on MSM for info anymore, so, you'd think they'd be as well telling the truth.
    Bathgate is the one that riles me. Didn't even know the correct deduction if the yams had went into admin last season. Now he writes as though he is a veteran real estate speculator and chief secretary to the treasury.

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    The Celtic fans were on the case about Sevco a long time before the media. A Celtic boy I used to work with was delighted when they went into admin because he knew it would lead to them going bust.

    I'm pretty sure it will be the same case with Hearts as Hibs.net has been on top of the situation since Romanov
    took over that mob.

    In all our current troubles don't forget we have survived the situation they are in and they probably won't. 1914 FC will be lucky to compete in the next 30 years given they aren't rangers and won't come out with an infrastructure of any kind.

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    Jamie Borthwick@jamiekborthwick4m
    FoH announces bid structure today. Separate entities to buy the club, then purchase it back over time.


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    Business community (Bidco) fund CVA, and fans (Fanco) enter binding contract to pay back and take full control. Stress Bidco will not gain.


    Binding ! Very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadstone View Post
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    Jamie Borthwick@jamiekborthwick4m
    FoH announces bid structure today. Separate entities to buy the club, then purchase it back over time.


    Jamie Borthwick@jamiekborthwick3m
    Business community (Bidco) fund CVA, and fans (Fanco) enter binding contract to pay back and take full control. Stress Bidco will not gain.


    Binding ! Very interesting.
    Aye how does that work? You're not allowed to cancel your direct debit if you lose your job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarneyK View Post
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    Aye how does that work? You're not allowed to cancel your direct debit if you lose your job?
    And we are not talking 12 months here either are we ?

    http://www.foundationofhearts.org/ou...sal-explained/


    • Structure of Foundation of Hearts backed bid announced
    • FANCO, controlled by Foundation of Hearts, will enter binding contract with BIDCO to deliver ultimate fan ownership
    • BIDCO funders will not make any personal gain out of the agreement with FANCO
    • Partnership will ultimately deliver supporter ownership

    The Foundation of Hearts is today (19 August) pleased to confirm the outline of its bid for control of Heart of Midlothian Football Club.
    This involves two companies entering into a binding partnership with each other, “BIDCO” and “FANCO”, both of which are Special Purpose Vehicles (SPV).
    1. The bid was submitted by the Foundation of Hearts’ bid team under the company title BIDCO
    2. BIDCO is backed by Edinburgh business who will provide the vast majority of the capital required for the to be proposed Creditors Voluntary Agreement (CVA)
    3. This binding partnership between BIDCO and FANCO will deliver ultimate fan ownership over a fixed period of time
    4. BIDCO’s purpose is to deliver fan ownership and will therefore not seek to make any personal gain on this agreement with FANCO

    At this stage a period of comprehensive due diligence and further negotiations begin. It is important to note that the process is far from complete and is likely to take significant time working to achieve, as identified by BDO. At that point more detail will be released.
    Ian Murray MP, chairman, Foundation of Hearts said:
    “The bid team working on behalf of the Foundation will set up BIDCO to provide the capital resource to buy the club, backed by Edinburgh business.
    “On agreeing contractual terms with BDO to acquire the club, the BIDCO/FANCO partnership will be created to deliver fan ownership in a controlled fashion. Doing so allows the club’s finances to be stabilised, and for there to be an orderly and calm transition to supporter ownership.
    “The BIDCO/FANCO partnership delivers multi-layered protection both now and for the future of Hearts. It’s a win-win situation.”
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    Mikey Forrester? Russian sailors? What the ****** are these boys on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarneyK View Post
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    Aye how does that work? You're not allowed to cancel your direct debit if you lose your job?
    I imagine it will be along the lines of Fanco commit to paying back the Bidco money as it is a mortgage or bank loan, so if 1 supporter defaults the remaining clowns pay a little bit more. Direct debits rather than standing orders allow for this. What you might end up with is 5,999 supporters defaulting and 1 picking up the whole tab.

    #Pleasing indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadstone View Post
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    And we are not talking 12 months here either are we ?
    I guess there's nothing can be done if individual direct debits are cancelled, but still essentially Fanco are bound to paying back the original investment. At the very least they will be duty bound to live within their means for a change.

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    Bidco + fanco = sevco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I imagine it will be along the lines of Fanco commit to paying back the Bidco money as it is a mortgage or bank loan, so if 1 supporter defaults the remaining clowns pay a little bit more. Direct debits rather than standing orders allow for this. What you might end up with is 5,999 supporters defaulting and 1 picking up the whole tab.

    #Pleasing indeed
    Please let it be that toss-pot Murray that picks up the whole tab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southsider View Post
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    Please let it be that toss-pot Murray that picks up the whole tab.
    i think privately he wants it to go breasts skywards.

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    I think yamco will find that bidco willco be chucked in the binco when the Liths laughco their asscos off

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    I really don't see how this is even remotely feasible.

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    Bidco Fanco Yamco Fannyco Newco Sevco Skintco Noshameco

    Cheerio

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    Are they likely to come out of this then?

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    The way I read this is they can prepare plans all they want but bottom line is what happens in Lithuania that will decide their future.

    They are trying to create a positive environment now but it could all come crashing down if Lithuania come down hard on them.

    They are still on life support and scraping the barrel for every penny they can get hold of and if Lithuania goes easy on them they still have quite a long way to go with providing sustainable funds for the club - plus the whole mess of the stadium - which is still not fit for purpose and costing a fortune to maintain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanduff View Post
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    Are they likely to come out of this then?
    Possibly. If they can raise enough capital to satisfy the Liths and then agree a robust business plan that allows them to pay back the 'Edinburgh businesses' (ie banks) who came up with said capital. You're probably looking at financing cost of around £1+ million a year for 10 years (they aren't going to get free finance) on top of stadium and running costs leaving some coppers and the fluff they've found down the back of the sofa for playing staff...

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    I especially liked this in the very last clause:

    " ... where BIDCO and FANCO will, once this document has been published, be thereafter referred to as Biddies and Fannies ... "

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    Does anyone know if the term 'binding agreement' was part of the dd set up by FoH?

    It appears the money being collected now forms part of a binding contract that may change the original pledge a gift proposal. Would they not need to send out a contract to all pledgers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby View Post
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    Possibly. If they can raise enough capital to satisfy the Liths and then agree a robust business plan that allows them to pay back the 'Edinburgh businesses' (ie banks) who came up with said capital. You're probably looking at financing cost of around £1+ million a year for 10 years (they aren't going to get free finance) on top of stadium and running costs leaving some coppers and the fluff they've found down the back of the sofa for playing staff...
    It's not banks, as I read it.

    BIDCO aren't making anything out of it, as the document says.

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    Pledgers have probably been easy-osy about pledging up till now.
    All for the cause and no pressure to continue once they've won the bid ir when money gets tight.
    Well there sure is pressure on the pledgers now.

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    Bidco (SPV) + Fanco (SPV) = NOGO (SPIV)

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