I can't believe that this is a genuine letter from Lockie. Nowhere does it reference Hibernian FC, 5-1 or 22 in a row.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-08-2013 07:27 AM #28381
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17-08-2013 07:46 AM #28382
Can someone on here copy and paste the whole article instead of having to subscribe? IMO if it is only 1 million short to save the club they will again get fans involved for one last push and achieve that! 😟
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17-08-2013 07:49 AM #28383This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would have thought so. Then again, another two months of BDO fees, of running costs, etc. They could really do with that £10m bid for Jason Holt coming in soon though
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17-08-2013 08:02 AM #28384This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-08-2013 08:12 AM #28385
If the times article is true then I can easily see them raise £1million within one or two months.
However, I can't see this being accurate. The land must be worth around £9million and I reckon FoH are well short on this. I also expect the Liths to get the highest price for their creditors.
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17-08-2013 08:21 AM #28386
That article will put a dampner on there big celebrations after getting a point agaisnt partick. They'll raise the money, just means even less to play with at the other end
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17-08-2013 08:24 AM #28387
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17-08-2013 08:27 AM #28388
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17-08-2013 08:35 AM #28389This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I reckon its a story planted by FoH. Enough emphasis on the need for more money without showing it to be impossible.
I'm sure FoH powerbrokers will be brown-nosing behind the scenes for other funding sources than fans direct debits.
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17-08-2013 08:38 AM #28390This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I am not so sure they can raise £1m from fans in two months, over and above pledges, donations, season tickets etc. I also don't believe it's a £1m gap, I reckon this will be the minimum , absolute minimum FOH feel they need.
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17-08-2013 08:56 AM #28392
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Another thing about that article, if they genuinely only have enough money to last till October then surely they would have sold Jason Holt.
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17-08-2013 09:00 AM #28393
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17-08-2013 09:03 AM #28394This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-08-2013 09:41 AM #28397
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Got this from Keechback :-
"Hearts fans have just two months to find extra £1m or club’s gates close for good
Heart of Midlothian faces liquidation within two months unless the preferred bidder for the stricken football club increases its offer by about £1 million and a court case involving its largest shareholder is settled quickly.
Time is running out in the race to save one of Scotland’s oldest football teams amid wrangling over its value and after it emerged that a court battle in Lithuania to appoint administrators to the club’s biggest shareholder will not be settled for at least four weeks.
An insider said: “Right now, Hearts only has enough cash to keep going until mid-October. Things really need to progress. It’s a race against time.”
The source said fans group Foundation of Hearts, which was named as the preferred bidder this week, needs to raise its £3 million offer by “up to £1 million” to bring it closer to the £5 million value the administrators of Ukio Bankas has put on the club and its assets.
Ukio Bankas is the liquidated Lithuanian bank that holds a 29.9 per cent stake in Hearts. It was controlled by former Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov. Its Lithuanian administrator also has a claim against the club’s Tynecastle stadium as security on the money the bank is owed. The administrator believes liquidation and a disposal of assets, which would include the sale of Tynecastle to a developer, will offer better value for creditors.
The insider said: “There’s a big gap between Foundation of Hearts’ offer and what the administrator of Ukio expects to get for the club. There is a need to close that gap and the hope is that both parties will compromise and meet in the middle.”
Foundation of Hearts’ elevation to being preferred bidder is known to have been dependent on it raising its bid, although so far the group has not made an increased offer.
The club’s assets are relatively small. A developer could buy the stadium plot and keep the land for future use but estimates put its value at less than £3m.
Meanwhile, objections lodged in Lithuania over the proposed liquidation of UBIG, Hearts’ parent company, which owns half of the club’s shares, look set to delay matters further. UBIG was also controlled by Mr Romanov and is owed £10 million by Hearts. A group of UBIG’s creditors objected to the appointment of the administrator recommended by another set of creditors. Until the court makes a decision on an administrator, the sale of Hearts can be completed.
“Agreement on the value of the club is the main thing right now,” said a source. “The eventual administrators of UBIG will clearly want something for their 50 per cent stake but that will amount to a nuisance payment, probably in the region of a high five-figure sum. UBIG isn’t a secured creditor, so if the club ends up being liquidated UBIG will get absolutely nothing. “ If Foundation of Hearts is successful in buying the club, it will also have to settle for ownership of just 79 per cent of the club’s shares. The administrator has been unable to secure the stake in the club held by Quantum Holdings, a company thought to be owned by Mr Romanov.
Quantum Holdings, a company based in Geneva, holds 15 per cent of Hearts’ shares. When Quantum was established, Mr Romanov’s niece, Julija Goncaruk, was listed as a director. Ms Goncaruk was also a director of Hearts. She is no longer listed as a director of Quantum Holdings and the company was unavailable for comment."
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17-08-2013 09:43 AM #28398
Having watched the situation with Hearts unfold over the last few months since the original rumblings of problems with the Lith bank and Investment group, I have wondered how it can all pan out.
Comparing it to other clubs that have gone into administration, I don't think there have been any where the club was still running but the owners have gone into administration or liquidation. This scenario of HMFC having to go into administration and appointing BDO and for them having to deal with the main creditor who happens to be another administration company is a bit of an anomaly.
The Lith administrators will have to do their best to get as much money back from their creditors as they can. If Hearts were still due money from anyone owing them money, would they accept 20p or less in the pound?
From the original set of figures issued by BDO last month, they said that the book value of the stadium was £13.75m but they were unable to put a current value on the round until Jones Lang LaSalle reported back on the current value. JLL will be looking at the ground and will give a valuation on it as a on-going football ground AND as the land value for future development. Even assuming that any club overvalue their assets, and you could say that it was only worth half their valuation, it would still be worth £6m. If so, why would the Lith Admin's take less than £4 for the whole club and stadium.
If I were the Lith Admin's I would be looking to sell the ground and then sell the club to the FoH for c£1m, they then would have £7 for their CVA. This would result in HMFC surviving but without a ground to play in, unless they could do a deal with the new owners of EH11 2NL until it is redeveloped.
On another point, I can not see why FoH keep looking for more fans to pledge more money for ongoing donations as I am fairly sure the the creditor do not give jot as to what money would be coming into the club after they have sold it, all they are looking for is the readies up front.
Does anyone think that FoH have done themselves a disservice claiming that they have emailed 65,000 Hearts fans? I don't even think either of the old firm teams would have that many email addresses on their database.
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17-08-2013 09:48 AM #28399
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If Hertz are contacting all the people on their database, there are going to be an awful lot of bogus FOH pledgers receiving Mr Locke's epistle. I take it they will keep the rest of us notified of the soaraway success of this latest attempted mugging of the increasingly poor Hertz fans.
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17-08-2013 09:54 AM #28400
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That article looks suspect to me, " needs to raise its £3 million offer by “up to £1 million” to bring it closer to the £5 million value the administrators of Ukio Bankas has put on the club and its assets."
Yes 1 million will bring it closer to the valuation, but if 5 million is the valuation and asking price then they are not going to get it. Where did this 5 million asking price come from? We know their is a security of 6.8 million, we know FOH hearts have overed 3 Million. It looks to me as if FOH are trying to meet in the middle and sending out these stories to the press
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The only way I can see more cash being added up front is if the pledgers accept to keep the DD's going for longer, pay the loan at the same rate but use the pledges for running the club. That would mean as soon as sponsor money, ST money comes in its straight out to pay the people giving the loan leaving the club to live off the pledges. Dangerous IMO.Last edited by Part/Time Supporter; 17-08-2013 at 10:03 AM. Reason: posts merged
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17-08-2013 10:03 AM #28401
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17-08-2013 10:34 AM #28403
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As it stood yesterday, neither BDO or FOH knew the amount UKIO were asking, they were just told to increase their bid a few weeks ago which they did. I don't understand why UKIO or BDO would be leaking this figure to the press. It's guesswork.
BDO's plan is to argue that this is the best price UKIO are going to get out of any outcome.
FOH are very reluctant to take donations from fans to fund the actual purchase of the club in case they are unsuccessful, so this talk of how easily they'll raise another £1m is way off because they've no way to actually do it. This is why direct debits haven't been collected yet. The key to the whole FOH bid is that it will only cost fans money after the club is in FOH control.
Additionally, the general feeling about UKIO is that they need a really decent offer to make a convincing case to the lith authorities to unfreeze the assets. Going to them and saying "We've got a pish offer for part of glads empire so please let us sell it off and make it much harder to investigate" isn't going to fly.
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18-08-2013 12:10 PM #28404
This will be two christmas in a row that yamspawn will be waking up to an apple and an orange.
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18-08-2013 01:07 PM #28405This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not at all. It still leaves a shortfall of 335,000, which illustrates that FOH are correct - there is still a lot of work to be done to save Hearts.
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They will laugh chocolate biscuits at this nonsense, or more likely, be very angry and insulted at the waste of their time.
In a perverse way, I would actually love it if they were crazy enough to give the FOH bid some conditional acceptance, setting a deadline of say, Sept 20, for all the money (say 5-6 mill) to be in their bank account. The mad scrambling, with the begging, cajoling and threatening, and then the subsequent orgy of self-loathing, followed by the bitter recriminations when this cash target wasn't achieved, would be joyous to behold. Then you would doubtlessly hear that the full amount they raised was something like 1.93 mill, with one million of that coming in the form of a special bond from some business person.
However, I suspect that Jackson and BDO know that Hearts are dead in the water, and that they are just doing their duty and going through the motions.
More interesting to me is the role FOH will play in a post-liquidation Hearts. This is probably the best chance they'll have to make a genuine, fan-owned model of a football club work, and they'll be starting with zero debt. Of course, it'll be a long, long way back through the divisions for them, and they'll be homeless.Last edited by Part/Time Supporter; 18-08-2013 at 02:15 PM. Reason: posts merged
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18-08-2013 03:47 PM #28409
As someone posted a page or two ago when are the media going to highlight the fact that the final outcome is not going to happen anytime soon due to the situation in Lithuania? It seems to be getting conveniently ignored except on .net.
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18-08-2013 04:04 PM #28410
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