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[YehButNoBut]

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I do agree sporting itegrity etc etc

question is how do WE replace the income lost by playing Hearts

By becoming more successful on the park

i.e. challenging at the top end of the league and making more cup semis/finals

[Gus Fring]

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I do agree sporting itegrity etc etc

question is how do WE replace the income lost by playing Hearts

We don't replace it. We just cut our cloth accordingly to cope with it, every other team will need to do the same. The financial impact was supposedly going to be massive when Rangers left the SPL but everyone managed fine.

[Geo_1875]

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They can't act on a 50% probability, thats ludicrous. There's a 50% probability that Celtic will win the league this season, should they just give them the trophy now?

They didn't "ignore" UBIG declaring themselves insolvent either, they weren't legally covered so they didn't do anything.

If the SPFL act now, what happens? Is 6 days enough time for Morton to prepare for a completely different league? Is it buggery. Everyone is going to have to accept that even if the SPFL wanted to shaft Hearts in the hardest way possible they can't.

And for the record, there wouldn't be "horrendous complications", any fixtures Hearts did complete would be void and the league would continue with 11 teams. Either way, Hearts or no Hearts, the coming season is going to have some degree of upheaval and the SPFL can't do anything about it because they aren't legally able to act on ifs, ands, buts or maybes.

It's their own rules that they should be prepared to apply, and stand by, not the law of the land. If they had the baws to make a principled decision about UBIG's self-declared bankruptcy we wouldn't still be waiting on HoMFC going pop.

[sidjames]

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Bake sales, face painting and charging each other a fiver to congregate in each others' houses.

Maybe a Fish concert at ER.

I can sing bass.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The SPFL hould be meeting with BDO and ask for a guarantee that they can fulfill the fixtures for the season. Everybody and his dog can now see that would be impossible to give so 'Plan Morton' HAS to be put in place.

The alternative is that Hearts are allowed to start the season, are dead before August is out and the rest of the league season is played between 11 clubs. That would damage every other club financially because of missing games.

Get them out now!

So, taking that forward, Morton come up. To be replaced by whom?

And so on down the leagues. The SPFL will still be one team short.

[Keith_M]

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So, taking that forward, Morton come up. To be replaced by whom?

And so on down the leagues. The SPFL will still be one team short.

Spartans

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[steakbake]

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I can sing bass.

I can't really carry a tun(a). I could play a few scales though. Might net is a few quids..

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We don't replace it. We just cut our cloth accordingly to cope with it, every other team will need to do the same. The financial impact was supposedly going to be massive when Rangers left the SPL but everyone managed fine.

If you believe what some of the commenterati on the west coast sports pages, Hearts are going bust partly because of no rangers.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Spartans

Wouldn't the East of Scotland already have their arrangements made for the new season?

And who would replace Spartans?


Ahhhhh..... now I get you.

Liking this one from JKB:-

If we get liquidated I can't see us playing anywhere this season. It's too late to get into a league so I can't see how we could play anything other than frendlies.

[Gus Fring]

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The SPFL hould be meeting with BDO and ask for a guarantee that they can fulfill the fixtures for the season. Everybody and his dog can now see that would be impossible to give so 'Plan Morton' HAS to be put in place.

The alternative is that Hearts are allowed to start the season, are dead before August is out and the rest of the league season is played between 11 clubs. That would damage every other club financially because of missing games.

Get them out now!

There is no "Plan Morton". Morton are not prepared to play in the SPL next season, that would have a massive financial impact on them as well as they suddenly have to find the funding to cope with SPL games rather than Div 1 games.

If the SPL is reduced to 11 teams then Hearts share of the income from the League would be shared evenly amongst the remaining teams, lessening the financial impact. This is one of the reasons the SPFL has decided not to give Hearts any financial help.

Here's what'll happen if the SPFL kick Hearts out now and bring Morton up. Morton will struggle, financially and competitively. Hearts would then be left with little choice but to liquidate as the club would become almost worthless. Tynecastle would be sold etc. What's left of Hearts would then sue the SPFL for kicking them out a league they still had every right to be in. If Hearts win (which they would, because it's clearly a breach of the rules) the financial award for this would be massive. Loss of potential earnings, irreparable damage to the brand and it's commercial activities etc. The SPFL would be due them a massive payment. Even if this was say a conservative estimate of £5m, there is no way they can afford it.

If I've said it once, I've said a thousand times. The SPFL are doing the right thing just now because the alternatives are far worse for everyone involved.

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It's their own rules that they should be prepared to apply, and stand by, not the law of the land. If they had the baws to make a principled decision about UBIG's self-declared bankruptcy we wouldn't still be waiting on HoMFC going pop.

The law of the land trumps everything I'm afraid as Rangers proved last year in the court of session.

My own rules I've written here in crayon say I should get into Easter Road for nowt next season and I'm prepared to stand by those rules. I hope it works

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

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I do agree sporting itegrity etc etc

question is how do WE replace the income lost by playing Hearts

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[Keith_M]

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Wouldn't the East of Scotland already have their arrangements made for the new season?

And who would replace Spartans?


Ahhhhh..... now I get you.

You're slow today Crops

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If the SPL is reduced to 11 teams then Hearts share of the income from the League would be shared evenly amongst the remaining teams, lessening the financial impact. .

That's at least something, I hope it's enough to cover the revenue from a missing game but I doubt it.


I suppose everybody else could just arrange friendlies for the weekend they would have played Hearts. I bags Real Madrid

[Pedantic_Hibee]

BDO Administrator delivers the news to assembled Hearts fans outside Tynecastle today......................

[CraigHibee]

to compare hearts current situation is like flushing that elusive jobby, a wee bit keeps bobbing up and keeping afloat on top, however this wee jobby is about to meet the mighty flush that finally sinks it to the sewers...

how i would love to be the one pulling that flush

[Sanger]

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They can't act on a 50% probability, thats ludicrous. There's a 50% probability that Celtic will win the league this season, should they just give them the trophy now?

They didn't "ignore" UBIG declaring themselves insolvent either, they weren't legally covered so they didn't do anything.

If the SPFL act now, what happens? Is 6 days enough time for Morton to prepare for a completely different league? Is it buggery. Everyone is going to have to accept that even if the SPFL wanted to shaft Hearts in the hardest way possible they can't.

And for the record, there wouldn't be "horrendous complications", any fixtures Hearts did complete would be void and the league would continue with 11 teams. Either way, Hearts or no Hearts, the coming season is going to have some degree of upheaval and the SPFL can't do anything about it because they aren't legally able to act on ifs, ands, buts or maybes.

Quite different a more than 50% probability of not being able to fulfil their fixtures and causing absolute mayhem and furthering tarnishing Scottish football than a team being odds on to win the league. So do you roll the dice knowing its loaded in favour of massive failure or walk away from the table. Any sensible body would drop them right out of all the leagues now and avoid the mess and further loss of credibility that will ensue. From what we know that is in the public domain Hearts are doomed. A private word with BDO would reveal the real hopelessness of the situation. This is D day. All offers are millions away or declared null and void. Time for authorities to show leadership for once.

[steakbake]

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Quite different a more than 50% probability of not being able to fulfil their fixtures and causing absolute mayhem and furthering tarnishing Scottish football than a team being odds on to win the league. So do you roll the dice knowing its loaded in favour of massive failure or walk away from the table. Any sensible body would drop them right out of all the leagues now and avoid the mess and further loss of credibility that will ensue. From what we know that is in the public domain Hearts are doomed. A private word with BDO would reveal the real hopelessness of the situation. This is D day. All offers are millions away or declared null and void. Time for authorities to show leadership for once.

First things first though, Doncaster needs new hair gel and the attendees of any meeting should indicate what kind of pizza they'd like, just in the case it becomes a late one...

[kdhibees1]

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to compare hearts current situation is like flushing that elusive jobby, a wee bit keeps bobbing up and keeping afloat on top, however this wee jobby is about to meet the mighty flush that finally sinks it to the sewers...

how i would love to be the one pulling that flush

Bang and the **** are gone!!

[Gus Fring]

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Quite different a more than 50% probability of not being able to fulfil their fixtures and causing absolute mayhem and furthering tarnishing Scottish football than a team being odds on to win the league. So do you roll the dice knowing its loaded in favour of massive failure or walk away from the table. Any sensible body would drop them right out of all the leagues now and avoid the mess and further loss of credibility that will ensue. From what we know that is in the public domain Hearts are doomed. A private word with BDO would reveal the real hopelessness of the situation. This is D day. All offers are millions away or declared null and void. Time for authorities to show leadership for once.

Unless it's a 100% probability, the SPFL will not, cannot and should not be touching the Hearts situation with a 60ft pole. Please remember that the SPFL isn't an impartial governing body, it's a group of representatives from the other clubs. They know fine well what the impact will be and stabbing one of their own isn't going to solve any problems, it just creates a whole mess of new ones.

"Tarnish scottish football"? Taking one of it's member clubs round the back and shooting it in the face would be the worst publicity they could ever hope for.

[Hibbyradge]

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I do agree sporting itegrity etc etc

question is how do WE replace the income lost by playing Hearts

Maybe by finishing higher up the league and getting our hands on some of the prize money that Hearts overspent their way to get.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Unless it's a 100% probability, the SPFL will not, cannot and should not be touching the Hearts situation with a 60ft pole. Please remember that the SPFL isn't an impartial governing body, it's a group of representatives from the other clubs. They know fine well what the impact will be and stabbing one of their own isn't going to solve any problems, it just creates a whole mess of new ones.

"Tarnish scottish football"? Taking one of it's member clubs round the back and shooting it in the face would be the worst publicity they could ever hope for.

I think the vast majority of folk realise procedure has to be followed Baj, some folk just have less patience than others.

In all honesty its the folk that think The Jambos are going to get away scot-free with everything that I find difficult to comprehend!

[Bishop Hibee]

Let them die on their own. The SPFL doing the job for them would only allow them to blame others which is a Jambo's default position.

[Hibby70]

If (and by if I mean when) the fold we should just scrap the split and play 40 games (2 home and 2 away).

11 team league is the way forward - why didn't we think of it before?

[Arch Stanton]

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If I've said it once, I've said a thousand times. The SPFL are doing the right thing just now because the alternatives are far worse for everyone involved.

"The SPFL are doing the right thing" may well be the case but only if there has been no rule breaking going on. Do the SPFL really have no sanctions against financial mismanagement?

All their ST money has been spent and they have no line of credit to get them through the season - I would say BDO are complicit in that! After all, they sold ST's knowing the high risk of ticket holders not getting to see games - they even said that they were using the money to keep the club on the market - I really think the purpose of Season Tickets is to watch a season's worth of games.

[CropleyWasGod]

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There is no "Plan Morton". Morton are not prepared to play in the SPL next season, that would have a massive financial impact on them as well as they suddenly have to find the funding to cope with SPL games rather than Div 1 games.

If the SPL is reduced to 11 teams then Hearts share of the income from the League would be shared evenly amongst the remaining teams, lessening the financial impact. This is one of the reasons the SPFL has decided not to give Hearts any financial help.

Here's what'll happen if the SPFL kick Hearts out now and bring Morton up. Morton will struggle, financially and competitively. Hearts would then be left with little choice but to liquidate as the club would become almost worthless. Tynecastle would be sold etc. What's left of Hearts would then sue the SPFL for kicking them out a league they still had every right to be in. If Hearts win (which they would, because it's clearly a breach of the rules) the financial award for this would be massive. Loss of potential earnings, irreparable damage to the brand and it's commercial activities etc. The SPFL would be due them a massive payment. Even if this was say a conservative estimate of £5m, there is no way they can afford it.

If I've said it once, I've said a thousand times. The SPFL are doing the right thing just now because the alternatives are far worse for everyone involved.

Pretty much agree with this.

There's little doubt in my mind that the SPFL and BDO will have been in constant dialogue. Also pretty sure that the SPFL have had legal advice on their position.

Can't understand the "mayhem" views. That's in the same file as the "Armageddon" predictions from last season.

[Hibbyradge]

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I suppose everybody else could just arrange friendlies for the weekend they would have played Hearts. I bags Real Madrid

Their under 21's at East Mains?

[Sanger]

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I think the vast majority of folk realise procedure has to be followed Baj, some folk just have less patience than others.

In all honesty its the folk that think The Jambos are going to get away scot-free with everything that I find difficult to comprehend!

If there is firm evidence which I believe there is that Hearts will not be able to fulfil their fixtures then it is the responsible course to put them out the leagues now. It is the responsibility of the SPL to ensure that clubs are financially viable and can sustain themselves throughout the season. There is plenty of evidence that comes down against Hearts not lasting the season. We are further destroying the credibility of Scottish football and sanctions could follow from UEFA. It does not need liquidation proceedings to begin to determine if Hearts are a viable concern.

[Billy Whizz]

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Their under 21's at East Mains?

In our case, the missing fixture would be our biggest money spinner, Hearts at home on New Year's Day!

[Keith_M]

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"Tarnish scottish football"? Taking one of it's member clubs round the back and shooting it in the face would be the worst publicity they could ever hope for.

I'd describe it more in terms of taking it over to Dignitas for a mercy killing.

You mentioned earlier that the SPFL would be afraid of court action. I'd be interested in who you think could raise such an action, if Hearts have already been liquidated, BDO been paid and UKIO got the money from the sale of Tynecastle.

[steviehibsleith]

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Unless it's a 100% probability, the SPFL will not, cannot and should not be touching the Hearts situation with a 60ft pole. Please remember that the SPFL isn't an impartial governing body, it's a group of representatives from the other clubs. They know fine well what the impact will be and stabbing one of their own isn't going to solve any problems, it just creates a whole mess of new ones.

"Tarnish scottish football"? Taking one of it's member clubs round the back and shooting it in the face would be the worst publicity they could ever hope for.

They forced Livingstone to put up a £720,000 bond which they couldnt pay so accepted relegation to the 3rd division

I know its the SPFL now but surely this is a way .

This is what SFL did to LIvi
Prior to Wednesday's meeting at the National Stadium, the consortium had expressed frustration at being asked by the SFL put up a bond of £720,000 - in order to fulfil the club's First Division fixtures for the new season.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'd describe it more in th terms of taking it over to Dignitas for a mercy killing.

You mentioned earlier that the SPFL would be afraid of court action. I'd be interested in who you think could raise such an action, if Hearts have already been liquidated, BDO been paid and UKIO got the money from the sale of Tynecastle.

The liquidator of Hearts.