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[CropleyWasGod]

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http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Reading that briefly, doesn't look like a registration embargo can be imposed.

Or have I misread it?

[BarneyK]

What is this likely to mean in real terms?

[kdhibees1]

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http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Hmmmmm, interesting..... very interesting!!

[BarneyK]

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Reading that briefly, doesn't look like a registration embargo can be imposed.

Or have I misread it?

It doesn't cover any potential punishment at all.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It doesn't cover any potential punishment at all.

Yes it does.

"Disciplinary Rule 14: Full membership or associate membership may be suspended or terminated, or a fine may be issued, in any of the following circumstances:-"

[Andy74]

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Reading that briefly, doesn't look like a registration embargo can be imposed.

Or have I misread it?

Only allows for suspension or termination membership or a fine. I'm sure they will make up an alternative though!

That's SFA though. Do the SPL (or whatever) still have to think up a punishment in addition to the 15 points? They also still have an SPL hearing due for not paying wages.

[BarneyK]

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Yes it does.

"Disciplinary Rule 14: Full membership or associate membership may be suspended or terminated, or a fine may be issued, in any of the following circumstances:-"

Ah ok. Of course. It'll be a fine then. Chuck it in with the rest.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Only allows for suspension or termination membership or a fine. I'm sure they will make up an alternative though!

That's SFA though. Do the SPL (or whatever) still have to think up a punishment in addition to the 15 points? They also still have an SPL hearing due for not paying wages.

How about the entire squad walking down Easter Road, naked except for a green scarf?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Ah ok. Of course. It'll be a fine then. Chuck it in with the rest.

Wellllllll, Bryan Jackson did say he didn't want a fine.

Termination it is then.

Seriously, though, depending on the size of the fine, BJ may be right about it tipping them over the edge. Didn't RFC get one of £100k? Or was that for the whole Whyte stuff?

[Andy74]

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Ah ok. Of course. It'll be a fine then. Chuck it in with the rest.

Any new fine would need to be met though wouldn't it? Admin only protects the stuff piled up before does it not?

[hibs0666]

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What is this likely to mean in real terms?

Fifty grand fine.

[green glory]

It'll be a fine, then the SFA will have to accept a p/£ piss take in the CVA.

Not sure the SFA has the guts to suspend or terminate their membership.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Cannae see how it can be construed as an alleged breach, they went into Admin last month, nae alleged about it.

[StevieC]

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Reading that briefly, doesn't look like a registration embargo can be imposed.

Or have I misread it?

This is purely for the insolvency event (ie administration) and, at best, it will involve a fine of some description.

Transfer embargos etc. will be dealt with seperately and be down to other aspects of their troubles (ie non-payment of wages).

[hibs0666]

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It'll be a fine, then the SFA will have to accept a p/£ piss take in the CVA.

Not sure the SFA has the guts to suspend or terminate their membership.

Nope will be due in hard cash.

[StevieC]

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It'll be a fine, then the SFA will have to accept a p/£ piss take in the CVA.

No, it will be treated as a football debt and it will need to be paid in full. If they do not pay in full they will not be granted a license to play football in the Scottish League (be it SPL or 3rd division).

[Spike Mandela]

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It doesn't cover any potential punishment at all.

Thought punishments were a fine, embargo or censure.

Dunfermline got an extended embargo.

Hearts descent into insolvency has been littered with non payment of wages, non payment of taxes, non payment of creditors, wind up orders, ridiculous wages paid they couldn't afford, false assurances on solvency, plain lies and crazy outbursts from the clubs owner against the SFA.

They are surely desrving of the most serious sanctions but the administrators have already pleaded for no fine and buyers have already declared their intention/desire to be buying players before the window shuts.

Just how the SFA will manage to engineer issuing a 'punishment that isn't a punishment this time' is anyone's guess.

[Andy74]

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This is purely for the insolvency event (ie administration) and, at best, it will involve a fine of some description.

Transfer embargos etc. will be dealt with seperately and be down to other aspects of their troubles (ie non-payment of wages).

Dunfermline's transfer ban will remain in place until at least the end of the year following a Scottish FA disciplinary hearing.

The Pars were already subject to a Scottish Football League-imposed ban on signing players over the age of 21 whilst they remain in administration.

And the SFA says the embargo should continue until the end of 2013.

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“I hope that we can now put these issues behind us and continue the battle to keep the team afloat
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Bryan Jackson

Dunfermline administrator
The club's administrator Bryan Jackson described the hearing as "fair" and said an appeal was "unlikely".

"They adequately took into account the specific circumstances that we face at Dunfermline," he explained on the club's website.

"I recognise that they had to impose a penalty on the club for going into administration and believe that the transfer embargo until 31 December 2013 on players aged over 21 matches, to an extent, the existing SFL sanctions and is a reasoned response from the SFA.

"Whilst we are awaiting the written official judgement it is unlikely that we will be appealing this decision."

[The Falcon]

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Any wages spent on Wilson (that were earmarked for Sutton anyway) wouldn't have gone to the creditors as at the date Hearts entered administration. The funds that go to creditors will come from however much the buyer is willing to pay. The wages that Wilson is paid will have to be generated from the income the club earns during (and possibly after) administration.

If BDO run Hearts profitably between now and them exiting administration who gets any surplus funds if they dont go to the creditors?

I am, however, pretty confident an overall deal has been done and its now just a case of how long it takes to satisfy the legal formalities.

[StevieC]

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What is this likely to mean in real terms?

Rangers received fines of £160k. These consisted of £50k for the administration, £100k for bringing the game into disrepute and £10k for Craig Whyte being a twat (or something similar).

Dunfermline escaped a fine (due to mitigating circumstances) over the £134k tax bill that put them into adinistration, but they did get their signing embargo extended to offset this.

I would expect Hearts to receive a £50k fine for the administration event and either a further one for bringing the game into disrepute or a specific (lengthy) transfer embargo.

[JohnStephens91]

Fat old Yam tube. Hope he properly snaps at the PBS and has to be sectioned.

[The Falcon]

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He didn't leave.


Said Pinocchio.

They should have forced the *******s to keep Ngoo!

[Paisley Hibby]

Danny who? If they've spent money they don't have signing somebody they already had on their books who cares? If the Yams are creaming themselves about that then it's simply hilarious, not a cause for moral outrage?

[lord bunberry]

Has anyone had the foh email today from ryan macgowan, apparently he is watching events closely from china and encouraging people like me to convert my pledge.

[RickyS]

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Has anyone had the foh email today from ryan macgowan, apparently he is watching events closely from china and encouraging people like me to convert my pledge.

[JeMeSouviens]

The wording of the Yam complaint is exactly the same as the Pars (for which they got no fine but embargo extended until December).

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...1&newsID=11753

[Saorsa]

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The wording of the Yam complaint is exactly the same as the Pars (for which they got no fine but embargo extended until December).

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...1&newsID=11753

I think they should get the biggest fine possible and an embargo, they have done much worse than the pars. I hope those in charge also take in tae account the yams use of a loophole tae sign Wilson while under embargo from the SPL. Nail them, throw the book at them, throw everything at them.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Cannae say I'm tearing my bawhair out over this.

It would be wrong of me to harbour some kind of faux outrage over the departed admin staff either as I want the whole crass institution shut down entirely so they're all oot on their erse.

So they've signed Danny Wilson....wowzers. I won't lose sleep over them retaining someone who helped them finish tenth. As for the morality of it all, they wouldn't recognise a moral if it turned up at their door with a piggy bank and a puss covered in paint.

All their positivity will have all but evaporated within the first few weeks of the season when they get tonked by all and sundry.

[Dinkydoo]

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OK, so they've maybe found a 'loophole' in the rules to register Wilson but come on, some people are making a bit much of this. Morally Repugnant? Seriously?

They are a club in big trouble regarding the number of players they have on their books and they've worked a flanker to get one more, who's nothing more than an average player. They still have a squad who, if they survive the season, are odds-on to get relegated.


I totally get the aspect of people having been made redundant but, first and foremost, they are a football club. Without players on the pitch, there IS no business for the behind the scenes people to run. All the administrators have done is shown the priority for keeping this particular business going.

Totally agree.

People love a bit of outrage though and the fact that its Hearts just makes things worse.

[sbell1875]

I'm disgusted by the fact he was ever involved with Hibernian Football Club. We have that arse piece Calderwood to thank for that one.