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[Waxy]

Did Romanov not accuse Rangers of "living beyond their means" last summer?
Anyone know where to find that statement?

[Gus Fring]

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Did Romanov not accuse Rangers of "living beyond their means" last summer?
Anyone know where to find that statement?

You mean this statement? I've just read it again just now. It's crazy how accurate it is now when applied to Hearts situation!

Mr Vladimir Romanov today issued the following statement after recent revelations that have had a hugely damaging affect on the game in this country.

Mr Romanov, who has been consistent in his views since investing in Scottish football in 2005, said:


"The opinion of Heart of Midlothian FC in regards to the current situation of Scottish football is clear and robust.


"The football mafia represented by former owners of Rangers FC and Rupert Murdoch's media are to blame for some of the worst problems to hit Scottish football and must not be allowed back in under any circumstances.


"As regards the club itself, we can only express our deepest condolences to its supporters, who have been lied to for so many years.


"It had to happen sooner or later. Victories were achieved not by sporting merits, but through slander, conspiracies amongst players and their poaching via third parties, unfair pressuring of referees, who in themselves are as valuable to the fabric of football as the football stars themselves.


"All of this brought hollow victories and destroyed football. We can also mention the attempts to eliminate Hearts with the help of the tax petitions, through false accusations and threats to revoke the club license. There is a saying about digging a grave for someone: you get it for yourself …


"Without these people football will become cleaner and stronger. Without Murdoch the whole of society will improve, in particular sport and culture.


"Supporters deserve a new beginning and have to accept the fact that their club has to start from the lower league, keeping order in the SPL and without creating unfair competition with other clubs.


"As regards the pitiful state of Scottish football finances, a lot of the blame should be placed at the doors of Murdoch's media. They pay huge sums to English clubs, whilst in Scotland, where football is better supported per capita than anywhere else in Europe and there are more cable or Sky subscribers per capita than in England, clubs receive peanuts for their broadcasting rights.


"At the very least this is discrimination and protectionism for the English football product, which at the same time stunts the development of the game in Scotland, that is regarded as the cradle of football.


"I feel that it is absolutely realistic to create a company that would bring to Scottish clubs at least the same broadcasting income, and even grow it by 50-100% over the next two to three years. This company should be in the hands of Scottish clubs and work with those who want to earn money the honest way, instead of conducting business the Murdoch way.


"They have lived beyond law and all morals, and should now be declared beyond the pale. A society that allows the destruction of integrity in sport, which is a crucial part of Scottish culture, is destroying itself - and all for the benefit of a media aborigine."

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[YehButNoBut]

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As i have said previously, These Roasters will get away with this!...as usual they fall in the SH 1 T and come up smelling of roses!..too many are painting the doomsday scenario, but my sneaking feeling is that they will wriggle out of it, and they will be back with their billy big Baw's ways ... Big club etc etc!!!. I dont think the administrators are being ruthless enough in the pursuit of the truth!
if edinburgh Council help them out over this matter....I will be finished with Scottish football..end of!

There's no way they will wriggle out of this one, admin will take at least 3 months, they have a squad of around 22 with no one decent and they will be 15 points down to start the season.

They will get relegated and could take a while to get back to SPL. All that is "best case scenario" for them as I'm sure there are plenty skeleton's in the cupboard that will come to light in the coming days/weeks to make things even worse for them.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...edicts-1983451

No matter who the interested parties are in acquiring the club, it will be well into the season before any deal can be completed.
He admitted: “Saying it would take three months is accurate. There is a statutory timetable. People talk about quick sales but it is never that easy. Technically, these sales are very complicated.

“You have to get everybody’s agreement and transfer the shares. The earliest is probably three months.

"The reality is this club is in administration and it will be a long rebuilding exercise.”

Despite what he claimed was a positive meeting with the SPL on Friday, it’s believed any money forwarded to them in lieu of the payment due in August will be minimal.

But the guts of their dialogue has been with the Lithuanians as they assess the potential to achieve the much-needed CVA with the two organisations who hold the club’s debt.

Crucial to the whole agreement will be the value assessed on Tynecastle. What they can’t afford is for any offer to fall short and force the sale of the ground independently.

[josef k]

There is a piece by Tom English basically on the McKie bid published today, accessible on the Scotsman website, which states the following:

"No matter how many groups there may be, they have one common goal and that is to save the club. They surely also have one common fear and that is that the machinations of buying the thing will drag on beyond a critical date, 31 August. That’s transfer deadline day and it is a hugely relevant point in the Hearts story in the short-term. If the club is not out of administration and in new hands at that point then the transfer embargo will remain in place and Hearts will be forced to play at least half a season with a drastically weakened squad, with severely limited chances of avoiding relegation."

This is endorsed by Gordon McKie in the following discussion. So basically the plan is that they bounce in and out of administration in six-eight weeks, giving all their creditors (including HMRC, police, council, local small businesses etc) a penitence or nothing and emerge debt free. They then start signing up players for the relegation battle and basically carry on as before. Morally this is disgusting (which is of course an alien concept to Hearts). But could they get away with this? Dunfermline received an additional transfer embargo as a punishment for administration from the SFA. But with the changing structure of Scottish football, whose jurisdiction would this be? As for the offence of non-payment of players on the 14th June - is this going to be swept under the carpet by the SPL?

[7062]

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Despite what he claimed was a positive meeting with the SPL on Friday, it’s believed any money forwarded to them in lieu of the payment due in August will be minimal.

They shouldn't get a bolt from the SPL till they're due it. Every team in the league, bar Celtc, could do with the cash sooner, but need to wait on it.

Why should a team that's got themselves in a total state expect special treatment?

I started out with the opinion that I'd like them to start out in div 3 like their big bro's did however I'm now leaning towards 'hope they disappear altogether'. They really do my head in!

[Spike Mandela]

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There is a piece by Tom English basically on the McKie bid published today, accessible on the Scotsman website, which states the following:

"No matter how many groups there may be, they have one common goal and that is to save the club. They surely also have one common fear and that is that the machinations of buying the thing will drag on beyond a critical date, 31 August. That’s transfer deadline day and it is a hugely relevant point in the Hearts story in the short-term. If the club is not out of administration and in new hands at that point then the transfer embargo will remain in place and Hearts will be forced to play at least half a season with a drastically weakened squad, with severely limited chances of avoiding relegation."

This is endorsed by Gordon McKie in the following discussion. So basically the plan is that they bounce in and out of administration in six-eight weeks, giving all their creditors (including HMRC, police, council, local small businesses etc) a penitence or nothing and emerge debt free. They then start signing up players for the relegation battle and basically carry on as before. Morally this is disgusting (which is of course an alien concept to Hearts). But could they get away with this? Dunfermline received an additional transfer embargo as a punishment for administration from the SFA. But with the changing structure of Scottish football, whose jurisdiction would this be? As for the offence of non-payment of players on the 14th June - is this going to be swept under the carpet by the SPL?

When Dunfermline received the extended embargo from the SFA's new hardline stance on entering administration (post Sevco) Bryan Jackson described it as an unwanted sanction but fair in the circumstances. A financial fine of say £100k would have been fatal to Dunfy.

Hearts on the other hand if the admins could raise the cash from season tickets or a preferred bidder would no doubt try and angle for a financial penalty which would help the SFA in their perpetual search for issuing punishments that aren't punishments.

The whole financial fairplay rules and new tougher punishments for administration are supposed to help avoid the immoral situation where clubs jettison millions in debt, sack players and stafff then the very next day thet are splashing new cash on players. I am sure a few SPL chairmen would have something to say about that. We shall see.

[silverhibee]

Pishy Locke now begging Swally Ally to bring the big huns to the savilledome for a glamour friendly.

[Spike Mandela]

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Pishy Locke now begging Swally Ally to bring the big huns to the savilledome for a glamour friendly.

An idea mooted by Chick Dung on Radio Scotland the day Hearts entered administration. Funny that.

I'm sure the Rangers fans would be up for a Hearts fundraiser..............Not!

[jonty]

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Pishy Locke now begging Swally Ally to bring the big huns to the savilledome for a glamour friendly.

And who's going to cover the policing, steward and other staff costs for that? At least they wont have travel costs.

[greenginger]

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Pishy Locke now begging Swally Ally to bring the big huns to the savilledome for a glamour friendly.

Whats wrong with a home and away with Dunf. for the Administration Cup

[Jack Hackett]

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When Dunfermline received the extended embargo from the SFA's new hardline stance on entering administration (post Sevco) Bryan Jackson described it as an unwanted sanction but fair in the circumstances. A financial fine of say £100k would have been fatal to Dunfy.

Hearts on the other hand if the admins could raise the cash from season tickets or a preferred bidder would no doubt try and angle for a financial penalty which would help the SFA in their perpetual search for issuing punishments that aren't punishments.

The whole financial fairplay rules and new tougher punishments for administration are supposed to help avoid the immoral situation where clubs jettison millions in debt, sack players and stafff then the very next day thet are splashing new cash on players. I am sure a few SPL chairmen would have something to say about that. We shall see.

Couldn't agree more.

Should the embargo be imposed, it will also hit hertz in that any players they do actually manage to sell, will further deplete a threadbare squad. What a quandry...They need to sell players for the cash to see them to the start line, but could start the season with 12 players and a mascot as a result

Is it still 'Pleasing' ya roasters?

[silverhibee]

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Whats wrong with a home and away with Dunf. for the Administration Cup

According to pishy Locke a few clubs have let them down

[Paisley Hibby]

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When Dunfermline received the extended embargo from the SFA's new hardline stance on entering administration (post Sevco) Bryan Jackson described it as an unwanted sanction but fair in the circumstances. A financial fine of say £100k would have been fatal to Dunfy.

Hearts on the other hand if the admins could raise the cash from season tickets or a preferred bidder would no doubt try and angle for a financial penalty which would help the SFA in their perpetual search for issuing punishments that aren't punishments.

The whole financial fairplay rules and new tougher punishments for administration are supposed to help avoid the immoral situation where clubs jettison millions in debt, sack players and stafff then the very next day thet are splashing new cash on players. I am sure a few SPL chairmen would have something to say about that. We shall see.

Our average home attendance last season was 10935. But in the 3 home games we had against the Yams the attendances were: 12,887; 17,052 and 15,007. Also the atmosphere at all 3 of those games was SO much better than (say) St Mirren or Motherwell. Do we really want to lose that?

[Kaiser1962]

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If we have any ambition of progressing in Europe, we could do a lot worse than sign Wilson.

He has had some fantastic performances in that competition for sevco, especially in the away legs.

His signing could pay for itself by the group stages?

And all said without one of these

[silverhibee]

Any updates from the savilledome on how the stewards are dealing with the queue's of the deluded one's.


Don't know how to post photo's up from my iphone.

[Kevvy1875]

Looking forward to scudding these mutants at tynie, gonna be epic. They haven't got a pot to piss in and despite all the positive spin they are coming out with over on Isellmybairnsstuffandtaketheirmoneyback, they are starting the season with a gash squad are gonna get smashed every game. Relegation beckons at bare minimum.

[Andy74]

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There is a piece by Tom English basically on the McKie bid published today, accessible on the Scotsman website, which states the following:

"No matter how many groups there may be, they have one common goal and that is to save the club. They surely also have one common fear and that is that the machinations of buying the thing will drag on beyond a critical date, 31 August. That’s transfer deadline day and it is a hugely relevant point in the Hearts story in the short-term. If the club is not out of administration and in new hands at that point then the transfer embargo will remain in place and Hearts will be forced to play at least half a season with a drastically weakened squad, with severely limited chances of avoiding relegation."

This is endorsed by Gordon McKie in the following discussion. So basically the plan is that they bounce in and out of administration in six-eight weeks, giving all their creditors (including HMRC, police, council, local small businesses etc) a penitence or nothing and emerge debt free. They then start signing up players for the relegation battle and basically carry on as before. Morally this is disgusting (which is of course an alien concept to Hearts). But could they get away with this? Dunfermline received an additional transfer embargo as a punishment for administration from the SFA. But with the changing structure of Scottish football, whose jurisdiction would this be? As for the offence of non-payment of players on the 14th June - is this going to be swept under the carpet by the SPL?

There will be hearings for both. Something the media and Hearts fans are largely forgetting.

[Spike Mandela]

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There will be hearings for both. Something the media and Hearts fans are largely forgetting.

Perhaps not forgetting so much Andy, but perhaps trying to influence results od said hearings.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I thought the two admins were meeting the SFA on Friday there to discuss this? nothing in the press about the meeting

[Spike Mandela]

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Our average home attendance last season was 10935. But in the 3 home games we had against the Yams the attendances were: 12,887; 17,052 and 15,007. Also the atmosphere at all 3 of those games was SO much better than (say) St Mirren or Motherwell. Do we really want to lose that?

What's that got to do with them getting a transfer embargo and not splashing cash as soon as they ditch their debt.

If they got relegated is that the end for us?

[Technofob]

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Any updates from the savilledome on how the stewards are dealing with the queue's of the deluded one's.


Don't know how to post photo's up.

I passed at 12.45-the crash barriers were set up but not a jamtard in sight.

[Technofob]

It was raised earlier in the thread but not answered-did we find out if he was paid a signing on fee before they went into admin?

[7062]

BBC gossip saying the 2 senior players getting emptied are Zaliukas and Driver.

Ones away in Aug and one is on loan. Thought they'd be getting shot of Sutton as I'd imagine he's on a few £k a week.

[weecounty hibby]

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Our average home attendance last season was 10935. But in the 3 home games we had against the Yams the attendances were: 12,887; 17,052 and 15,007. Also the atmosphere at all 3 of those games was SO much better than (say) St Mirren or Motherwell. Do we really want to lose that?

Crap argument! By your thinking we should let them and the huns stay in the league and forget the years of financial cheating and the amount of companies/businesses they have stiffed for millions. If that really is what you believe, i am really surprised that any football fan, not just Hibbies, think that way.

[Dunderhall]

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BBC gossip saying the 2 senior players getting emptied are Zaliukas and Driver.

Ones away in Aug and one is on loan. Thought they'd be getting shot of Sutton as I'd imagine he's on a few £k a week.

SoS says he could be emptied if he doesn't accept a wage cut.
Also mentions Zaliukas and Driver.

[Paisley Hibby]

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Crap argument! By your thinking we should let them and the huns stay in the league and forget the years of financial cheating and the amount of companies/businesses they have stiffed for millions. If that really is what you believe, i am really surprised that any football fan, not just Hibbies, think that way.

Yeah - I couldn't believe that I came out with that either However, I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished for going into administration, of course they should. I'm just pointing out the consequences for us if they get binned. For example, I'm not sure I'd get too excited about the idea of a Hibs v Morton 'derby' at New Year. So I'm hoping they survive - albeit badly wounded and sh*t for years to come.

[PeterboroHibee]

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SoS says he could be emptied if he doesn't accept a wage cut.
Also mentions Zaliukas and Driver.

Im surprised any of these guys are prepared to take wage cuts. MacDonald in particular is a good player imo, youd think he wouldnt have much difficulty finding a new club and given that Hearts could go bust in the not to distant future (and he may not even get paid in that time), its a fair gamble for him and the other more senior pros.

Presumably MacDonald, Hamill and Stevenson will be the only older players left at the club next season though, I think a lot of the names mentioned on this thread have either left the club or will be leaving come the start of July.

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[Prof. Shaggy]

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I would imagine he will end up back at Rangers.

Not a chance.

Apparently.