Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[down-the-slope]

Nae luck Chuckie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

[Kaiser1962]

It seems Whyte and Green DID know each other..

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...nt-for-me.html

And Greens response

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-get-Gers.html


Scam anyone ?

[Moulin Yarns]

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It seems Whyte and Green DID know each other..

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...nt-for-me.html

And Greens response

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-get-Gers.html


Scam anyone ?

Simple question, why has it taken Whyte so long to come up with "The Evidence"?

I tend to agree with Green's view, "tell him what he wants to hear to get Rangers"

[greenginger]

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Simple question, why has it taken Whyte so long to come up with "The Evidence"?

I tend to agree with Green's view, "tell him what he wants to hear to get Rangers"

May'be he did'nt want to distract them in their quest for the 3rd division title.

[CropleyWasGod]

They deserve each other, IMO.

[LeighLoyal]

Green sounds a desperate man in the Hun. Tried to supress the story, Whytey produced the tapes, Hun prints the story. His rebuttal is pretty laughable just like all his statements. We will soon get to know who his Sevco mysterons really are, crooks R us.

[blackpoolhibs]

White has admitted he told porkies so he could get the club, i suppose the authorities might be interested to know that a fit and proper person has lied to get control of a football club in Scotland.

[EuanH78]

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White has admitted he told porkies so he could get the club, i suppose the authorities might be interested to know that a fit and proper person has lied to get control of a football club in Scotland.

#

I assume you mean Green but it does somewhat resemble fraud in any case.

Rangers/ The Rangers/ T'Rangers - the gift that keeps on giving, and giving.

[LeighLoyal]

Would like to know what BDO make of this, surely already a decent case for gratuitous aliention by Duff and Phelps is now stronger . Plus the HMRC appeal still to report. The only sad thing is the majority of Sevco shares are locked in so we don't real the know the market sentiment on T'Rangers International stock. Hope there is some real pain ahead for Sevcovians.

[LeighLoyal]

From, SSN. Sally demanding answers from Green:


Ally McCoist hopes Rangers supporters can be spared further heartache as the latest row over the club's ownership heads for court.
Craig Whyte, who owned oldco Rangers until last year's administration and subsequent liquidation, is demanding a cut of the current club from chief executive Charles Green and is threatening legal action.
Whyte claims Green was acting as his frontman when he bought the remnants of oldco Rangers before transferring them to a new company and establishing the reformed club in Division Three this season.
Green has admitted sweet-talking Whyte during negotiations but, in an interview with the Scottish Sun, warned his predecessor any demand for shares or regular payments now is "not going to happen".
In the meantime, McCoist has again been left to face questions about boardroom wrangling, and the manager said: "I'll definitely be meeting Charles and having a chat.
"But without doubt again the main people I feel sorry for are the supporters who have kept this club going in the last 18 months.
"I definitely feel for them because just when we seem to be getting a bit of clarity something else comes from left field.
"I've got no doubts the press and media will be asking questions, as they rightly do, so I'd be very hopeful that once again our supporters can get answers they deserve."


In short, I think he now knows Green is another crook.

[Mr White]

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In short, I think he now knows Green is another crook.

allys as crooked as whyte and green. no way he doesnt know the ins and outs of whats gone on with the ownership, he's invested his own money in the club. I'd file this in the same place as his demands to know the identity of the panel last summer as it's another disingenuous attempt to stay on side with the fans. At least this time the only person likely to come to harm as a result is uncle chuckles.

[LeighLoyal]

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allys as crooked as whyte and green. no way he doesnt know the ins and outs of whats gone on with the ownership, he's invested his own money in the club. I'd file this in the same place as his demands to know the identity of the panel last summer- ie a disingenuous attempt to stay on side with the fans.

That could be the key phrase in bold. He knows there is potential the shares are suspended and his pot of Ibrox gold turns to a pot of sh it, hence why he's not doing the usual attempt to sweep this under the carpet. Trouble at Chuckle's mill!

[greenginger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

Is this another bill for Green to settle ? Its a good job he has got big hands, deep pockets would also help.


Did he ever have any chance of winning this one or was he just keeping the Bears onside.

[down-the-slope]

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Nae luck Chuckie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

Is this another bill for Green to settle ? Its a good job he has got big hands, deep pockets would also help.


Did he ever have any chance of winning this one or was he just keeping the Bears onside.

Keep up


Is that Ally asking again to find out 'who these people really are' - difference being they are running the Asylum

[s.a.m]

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-c...tes-associate/

Charles Green agreed to receive £25,000 from Craig Whyte's associate

By Mike Farrell 9 April 2013 17:30 BST

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Charles Green: The Rangers chief executive admitted agreeing to accept the £25,000 payment from Mr Whyte.SNS Group<a href="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" target="_blank"> <img src="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" alt="" /> </a>
Rangers chief executive Charles Green agreed to receive a £25,000 payment from Craig Whyte’s business partner during the early stages of his buyout of the club.
The transaction was made from Aidan Earley to Mr Green’s personal bank account, as the Sevco consortium moved into poll position in the bidding process.
STV has seen evidence that appears to suggest the £25,000 was sent to Mr Green’s account on May 11, 2012.
In an interview with STV News, Mr Green stated the cheque, which was to be used to pay legal fees for Field Fisher Waterhouse, bounced and he ended up paying the lawyers himself.
The exchange makes up part of the legal case Mr Whyte is launching against Mr Green and his group, claiming that they were acting as a "front" for him during the £5.5m deal for the club’s assets last summer.
STV has also obtained a recorded conversation between Mr Green and Mr Whyte, which is said to have taken place on May 9 last year, in which the former Sheffield United chief executive said: "I f*****g, I need money off you (Craig Whyte)" to cover the Field Fisher Waterhouse bill.
On Tuesday, STV contacted Rangers for comment in relation to the recorded conversation, but at the time of publication they had not responded.
The payment is believed to relate to the setting up of the off-the-shelf company, Sevco 5088 Limited, which was the vehicle that Mr Whyte claims he and Mr Green were using to takeover Rangers. Sevco 5088 was identified by administrators Duff and Phelps days later as being the newco that would purchase the club’s assets in the event of the failure of a company voluntary arrangement (CVA).
Mr Green told STV: "My Whyte didn't pay money into my bank account. £25,000 was put into my bank account. For legal costs. And three days later, the cheque bounced."
Mr Green stated that the cheque was from New Malden, the area of Surrey where Mr Earley is based. Mr Green stated it was "to cover the legal expenses that Aiden Earley and Mr Whyte had incurred in starting up the process with Field Fisher Waterhouse, who refused to do any further work without money up front."
Documentation seen by STV suggest that £25,000 was paid out of a business account associated with Mr Earley on May 15, six days after his meeting with Mr Green and Mr Whyte.
In the audio recording of the meeting, Mr Green is heard saying to Mr Whyte: "Well, the next step is, we've got to f*****g give them (Field Fisher Waterhouse) some money."
He is also heard saying that he will tell the legal firm "Oh, Craig's gone, Craig's gone" in relation to the £25,000 payment.
Mr Green adds: "I f*****g, I need money off you [Craig Whyte]." Mr Whyte is heard responding: "Yeah, if you, if you give me your details I'll cover whatever you’ve got to pay out. It's not a problem."
The recording shows that Mr Green responded: "What I'm saying is, there's no f*****g, there'll be no trace into my f*****g bank account. But I'll f*****g, but I'll do it now, I'll write it out now. I'll give them a cheque for £25,000 from me." He adds: "I'm the f*****g director of the company. I'm their client, I'll give them twenty-five grand."
Mr Whyte has instructed a London QC to prepare a writ to be served on the current Rangers regime, claiming they have carried out "unjust enrichment" through "deception". In a letter warning of legal action sent to Rangers, Mr Green and finance director Imran Ahmad last December, Mr Whyte alleges that the group were brought into the Rangers buyout process to act as a "front" for him.
He claims to have evidence that backs up his statements, while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".
Mr Green told STV that he has spoken to Rangers’ lawyers and is planning on submitting a report to Police Scotland in relation to the conduct of Mr Whyte, who purchased Sir David Murray’s 85% stake for £1 in May 2011.

[LeighLoyal]

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http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-c...tes-associate/

Charles Green agreed to receive £25,000 from Craig Whyte's associate

By Mike Farrell 9 April 2013 17:30 BST

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Charles Green: The Rangers chief executive admitted agreeing to accept the £25,000 payment from Mr Whyte.SNS Group<a href="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" target="_blank"> <img src="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" alt="" /> </a>
Rangers chief executive Charles Green agreed to receive a £25,000 payment from Craig Whyte’s business partner during the early stages of his buyout of the club.
The transaction was made from Aidan Earley to Mr Green’s personal bank account, as the Sevco consortium moved into poll position in the bidding process.
STV has seen evidence that appears to suggest the £25,000 was sent to Mr Green’s account on May 11, 2012.
In an interview with STV News, Mr Green stated the cheque, which was to be used to pay legal fees for Field Fisher Waterhouse, bounced and he ended up paying the lawyers himself.
The exchange makes up part of the legal case Mr Whyte is launching against Mr Green and his group, claiming that they were acting as a "front" for him during the £5.5m deal for the club’s assets last summer.
STV has also obtained a recorded conversation between Mr Green and Mr Whyte, which is said to have taken place on May 9 last year, in which the former Sheffield United chief executive said: "I f*****g, I need money off you (Craig Whyte)" to cover the Field Fisher Waterhouse bill.
On Tuesday, STV contacted Rangers for comment in relation to the recorded conversation, but at the time of publication they had not responded.
The payment is believed to relate to the setting up of the off-the-shelf company, Sevco 5088 Limited, which was the vehicle that Mr Whyte claims he and Mr Green were using to takeover Rangers. Sevco 5088 was identified by administrators Duff and Phelps days later as being the newco that would purchase the club’s assets in the event of the failure of a company voluntary arrangement (CVA).
Mr Green told STV: "My Whyte didn't pay money into my bank account. £25,000 was put into my bank account. For legal costs. And three days later, the cheque bounced."
Mr Green stated that the cheque was from New Malden, the area of Surrey where Mr Earley is based. Mr Green stated it was "to cover the legal expenses that Aiden Earley and Mr Whyte had incurred in starting up the process with Field Fisher Waterhouse, who refused to do any further work without money up front."
Documentation seen by STV suggest that £25,000 was paid out of a business account associated with Mr Earley on May 15, six days after his meeting with Mr Green and Mr Whyte.
In the audio recording of the meeting, Mr Green is heard saying to Mr Whyte: "Well, the next step is, we've got to f*****g give them (Field Fisher Waterhouse) some money."
He is also heard saying that he will tell the legal firm "Oh, Craig's gone, Craig's gone" in relation to the £25,000 payment.
Mr Green adds: "I f*****g, I need money off you [Craig Whyte]." Mr Whyte is heard responding: "Yeah, if you, if you give me your details I'll cover whatever you’ve got to pay out. It's not a problem."
The recording shows that Mr Green responded: "What I'm saying is, there's no f*****g, there'll be no trace into my f*****g bank account. But I'll f*****g, but I'll do it now, I'll write it out now. I'll give them a cheque for £25,000 from me." He adds: "I'm the f*****g director of the company. I'm their client, I'll give them twenty-five grand."
Mr Whyte has instructed a London QC to prepare a writ to be served on the current Rangers regime, claiming they have carried out "unjust enrichment" through "deception". In a letter warning of legal action sent to Rangers, Mr Green and finance director Imran Ahmad last December, Mr Whyte alleges that the group were brought into the Rangers buyout process to act as a "front" for him.
He claims to have evidence that backs up his statements, while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".
Mr Green told STV that he has spoken to Rangers’ lawyers and is planning on submitting a report to Police Scotland in relation to the conduct of Mr Whyte, who purchased Sir David Murray’s 85% stake for £1 in May 2011.

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-c...tes-associate/




Link now up. Absolute dynamite stuff.

[StevieC]

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while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".

Charles Green is EXACTLY the sort of person that needs to be running things at The Rangers.

[jodjam]

The stv journo on Scotland today seems to be doing some decent work here

[StevieC]

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Link now up. Absolute dynamite stuff.

So Charles Green was brought in by Craig Whyte (which I think we all guessed anyway) in order to "grab" the assets on the cheap.

CG decided fairly early on that he could shaft CW, and make himself a tidy profit. He has now control over a nice piece of real estate and has pocketed a few million from a "mickey mouse" share issue. He's clearly the sort of person that will be saying one thing to The Rangers supporters whilst wondering how long he can keep his "cash cow" running.

Expect the other "investors" to be slowly shafted over the next year or so and then the whole process to start all over again, before they even manage to reach the SPL.

[green glory]

It seems it's happening again. This time I think it's going to be far worse for them.

[Onion]

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Charles Green is EXACTLY the sort of person that needs to be running things at The Rangers.

Fit and proper You do really wonder what the **** the SFA/SPL do.

This is going to end with poeple going to jail

[adhibs]

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It seems it's happening again. This time I think it's going to be far worse for them.

Hopefully

[AlbertK86]

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Fit and proper You do really wonder what the **** the SFA/SPL do.

This is going to end with poeple going to jail

Hopefully !!

[YehButNoBut]

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The stv journo on Scotland today seems to be doing some decent work here

part of the interview here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/220759-...owboys-claims/

[s.a.m]

Mike Farrell‏@mikefstv18mTicketus wins £17.7m legal action against former Rangers owner Craig Whyte over Ibrox season tickets deal http://bit.ly/XrN5qh

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[QUOTE=s.a.m;3560500]Mike Farrell‏@mikefstv18mTicketus wins £17.7m legal action against former Rangers owner Craig Whyte over Ibrox season tickets deal [URL="http://t.co/9bgxxKePnB"][COLOR=#0084b4]http://bit.ly/XrN5qh[/

Who pays this

[blackpoolhibs]

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So where don't get get the money paid from

[CropleyWasGod]

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So where don't get get the money paid from

I'll go first.

If you mean "where does the money get paid from?", in theory it's CW. It was him who was sued.IIRC, CW is potless just now.

He is, of course, suing Green. That might help.

[s.a.m]

Can he afford to sue him, though?
Naive question here, but are the revelations about Charles Green's acquisition of The Rangers evidence of wrong-doing (legal, rather than moral), that the authorities would have an interest in following up? Or are you allowed to do that?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Can he afford to sue him, though?
Naive question here, but are the revelations by and about Charles Green's acquisition of The Rangers evidence of wrong-doing (legal, rather than moral), that the authorities would have an interest in following up? Or are you allowed to do that?

He can get Legal Aid

On your second point, no idea. Thus far, it's just been "he says that to me"/"naw I didny". No evidence, for me, of criminality... just wide-boys fighting in the playground. There may be civil issues, of course, but it's too early to judge whether any criminal law has been broken.