New stadium for Edinburgh rugby and/or Hearts? (merged)

[Gatecrasher]

Why can't the rugby team build their own stadium

[Green Cabbage 7]

The big question is were would we stand! The last time we opposed it but if this were to happen, do we have any legal stance! ie bias towards them considering all the blocks that were put on us on land we owned etc....

[MrSmith]

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Why can't the rugby team build their own stadium

As far as I'm aware, this is being looked at. Edinburgh Rugby already on record stating they will not share any sporting facility with HMFC while a certain person owns them.

[Gatecrasher]

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As far as I'm aware, this is being looked at. Edinburgh Rugby already on record stating they will not share any sporting facility with HMFC while a certain person owns them.

Everyone seems to be quite certain that the council will build them one though.

[Golden Bear]

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Why can't the rugby team build their own stadium

I've heard a wee rumour that the structure of Scottish Rugby could be changing dramatically within the next few years. As things stand, the Scottish Rugby Union hold all the aces with regard to governance and finances, but from what I hear, there may be plans afoot to devolve some of the powers to a club based structure. If true, this would mean the end of the two professional teams in Scotland (Edinburgh & Glasgow.) No professional team means that there is no need for a new stadium. Time to think again for the Yams but as has already been mentioned, apart from the Cooncil, who would really dare enter into a Partnership with them in any case?

Such a shame really.

[Waxy]

I'd have no objection to the council letting them use saughton enclosure.
And they can build them a stand as long as it's wooden and holds no more than 500.
Or they could always go back to the East meadows.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

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The big question is were would we stand! The last time we opposed it but if this were to happen, do we have any legal stance! ie bias towards them considering all the blocks that were put on us on land we owned etc....

Protest via the media I would think is best bet, sending a carefully worded email/letter would be a start, "they" seem to get away with a heck of a lot that goes unreported in my opinion but they certainly wouldn't get away with this without a fight, I ain't paying no council tax to funds that slimy mob..period

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Edinburgh must be one of the only capital cities that doesn't have a quality sports centre or a purpose built concert/arts centre.

[GoldenEagle]

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Edinburgh must be one of the only capital cities that doesn't have a quality sports centre or a purpose built concert/arts centre.

Yet they have had three opportunities to build one in conjunction with Hibernian. One at Leith Academy, one at the Lochend Butterfly and one at the Jack Kane centre.

[green day]

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Edinburgh must be one of the only capital cities that doesn't have a quality sports centre or a purpose built concert/arts centre.

.....so the festival theatre isn't purpose built?

[greenginger]

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The date is wrong - I have that same report saved on my hard drive - date of saving is 21/12/11 but the document carries the same date as your link.

How far would you trust someone that can't even get the year right on their reports?

Agree the date is wrong, I printed a copy off at the time and never even noticed the date must have been the steam coming out of my ears !


Love clause 3.14
" HMFC are prepared to trade and include the land they own at Tynecastle for this purpose "

That will be with the £ 6.8 million security to a soon to be defunct Bank.

[itslegaltender]

Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

[Mon Dieu4]

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Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

even if it got agreed it wouldn't be built for years, they won't be about by then

also part 3 states, if a stadium isn't required we can use the land for other purposes

Might also be for Edinburgh Rugby

[Golden Bear]

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even if it got agreed it wouldn't be built for years, they won't be about by then

also part 3 states, if a stadium isn't required we can use the land for other purposes

Might also be for Edinburgh Rugby

Could be although I understand that plans are afoot which could radically change the face of Scottish Rugby.

[M6hibee]

If that does transpire it stinks. The Yams tae get a new stadium fae the council, unbelievably biased

[Jim44]

If the council have their say, they'll almost certainly make sure the Jambos benefit from it. There's nothing you can do about legal corruption except through the ballot box.

[basehibby]

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If that does transpire it stinks. The Yams tae get a new stadium fae the council, unbelievably biased

Would be utterly scandalous if allowed to proceed - only way it would even approach being justifiable would be if Hibs were gifted c£30m from the Edinburgh tax payers' purse as well to counter the advantage given to the Yams

[Pete]

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Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

Here we go.

No doubt many councilors will insist on a football stadium being shoehorned in. How much council money will be sunk into this while meadowbank is left to rot? Don't even mention Leith waterworld.

This absolutely stinks.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the new pink wongadome will be called "the cardownie Arena"

[Pete]

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the new pink wongadome will be called "the cardownie Arena"

I'm afraid you don't get to choose the name.

Your only input will be paying for it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I'm afraid you don't get to choose the name.

Your only input will be paying for it.

not quite, i'm a west lothian council tax payer mind you though, if they groundshare with livi

[greenginger]

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If that does transpire it stinks. The Yams tae get a new stadium fae the council, unbelievably biased

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottis...fall-1-2799015


If the Council even suggest building a Yam Stadium after cancelling the Art Hub that has been promised for 20 years the Hoi-Poli will be revolting.

[green day]

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Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

This was definitely for Edinburgh Rugby at the time.

I would also call into question Murrays ability to pull this deal off (financially) in any event. Remember his companies were skint at the time the Huns were going under.

No matter how much the council love in with hearts is true - they cant push this through / build a stadium for them in anything less than a year or so. Their chickens are coming home to roost a lot sooner.

ho ho

[M6hibee]

Well like someone said earlier we should vehemently question any move tae shoe horn them in tae a new stadium at the tax payers wxpense

[Leithenhibby]

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Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

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If that does transpire it stinks. The Yams tae get a new stadium fae the council, unbelievably biased

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If the council have their say, they'll almost certainly make sure the Jambos benefit from it. There's nothing you can do about legal corruption except through the ballot box.

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This was definitely for Edinburgh Rugby at the time.

I would also call into question Murrays ability to pull this deal off (financially) in any event. Remember his companies were skint at the time the Huns were going under.

No matter how much the council love in with hearts is true - they cant push this through / build a stadium for them in anything less than a year or so. Their chickens are coming home to roost a lot sooner.

ho ho

100% GD...

I have to say I'm relaxed about this one if I'm honest. IF, and it's a huge if, CEC even try this one on it will cause mayhem within Edinburgh's tax payers, so much more needed in the city without this nonsense....

[One Day Soon]

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that the Council will be building them a new stadium. This is a body needing to find well in excess of £100 million of savings, never mind any additional expenditure, and it is accountable to Audit Scotland for what it does in an age of unparallelled transparency with Freedom of Information.

All of the traditional Edinburgh establishment 'Get Out of Jail Free' cards the Yams could have played in years past are now worthless. The Council is skint, Bank of Scotland is a wreck and not Edinburgh run or owned and wealthy Edinburgh businessmen are a) few and far between and b) cannot cope with the scale of cost implicit here.

Hearts are now those guys you see sitting in scruffy huddles next to Edinburgh ATMs with hand written cards saying 'homeless'. They just don't realise it yet.

[oregonhibby]

There is a perfectly good stadium owned by a cash strapped outfit close by. Murrayfield. We do not need anymore stadia in Edinburgh! ER is international compliant and Murrayfield could also be used for the other form of Rugby. Doubt we need an arts hub either. Weekly bin collections would be a better use of council money in my view.

As for Tynecastle it is of limited value. Not enough land for big houses and more likely flats which have limited value for developers. Also I think i read somewhere that there is some form of factory near by that needs a blast zone that actually limits the housing potential at Tynecastle. Might be wrong!

[Leithenhibby]

I've been told in days gone by, that HMFC pay £300,000 insurance just for the old stand!......

[green glory]

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Meanwhile our councillors are looking over this planning proposal which is coming to a vote in the next month. David Murray's Hermiston project which includes a stadium "providing an opportunity of relocation to an Edinburgh sporting institution".

http://www.edinburghsgardendistrict....tcharrette.pdf

Get out of Jail free for the Yams?

No way the Yams are setting up down the road from me. Can you register an objection?

[bingo70]

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There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that the Council will be building them a new stadium. This is a body needing to find well in excess of £100 million of savings, never mind any additional expenditure, and it is accountable to Audit Scotland for what it does in an age of unparallelled transparency with Freedom of Information.

All of the traditional Edinburgh establishment 'Get Out of Jail Free' cards the Yams could have played in years past are now worthless. The Council is skint, Bank of Scotland is a wreck and not Edinburgh run or owned and wealthy Edinburgh businessmen are a) few and far between and b) cannot cope with the scale of cost implicit here.

Hearts are now those guys you see sitting in scruffy huddles next to Edinburgh ATMs with hand written cards saying 'homeless'. They just don't realise it yet.

I don't know how these things work but would it be feasible for them to borrow the money but hearts to pay it back in the form of rent, would mean a regular income without it costing the taxpayer anything?

Would be a pish deal for hearts in the long run just trying to think of ways hearts could wriggle out of this.