Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibs Class]

"even the Scottish Sun have called him a biggot and banned his book"

You couldn't make it up.

[LeighLoyal]

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How bad is the spelling in some of those reviews?

If anyone should know how to spell 'biggot' its surely a Rangers supporter

Might give the book a read though, even if it is written by a man who 'revealed himself as an IRA supporting biggot'.

Most of them are lucky if the can spell their own names. Average Orc IQ must be 70-80 max. A result of inbreeding in their hun towns I would guess. They shame Scotland on so many levels.

[Hibercelona]

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"even the Scottish Sun have called him a biggot and banned his book"

You couldn't make it up.

However, the Sun probably could....

[Peevemor]

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Alex Tomo No 1 Fan




This review is from: Downfall: How Rangers FC Self Destructed (Paperback)

As a Celtc man, through and through I have had hunners of sleepless nights wae a bottle waiting on this book on Rangers Football Club (Sevco) coming out.

The story of Rangers FC (Sevco) for me and probably all Celtc fans has taken over our lives even more than usual the past 12 months. I know guys who chucked their jobs incase they missed anything

It has been our obsession, but a healthy one. Its good to keep the brain active and that.

Alex Thomson of Channel 4 who is a real hero of mines after his reporting of bloody sunday and even more after he tweeted a pure funny image of Ibrox disaster memorial rites a pure amazing foreword to book. Here we go a tell the wife, 1-0 to the hoops!

The family all took a turn in the reading the book, staying up with a bottle reading it aloud. There are hunners of us so i only had to read a wee bit once. Minted, 2-0 to the hoops!

Phil and Alex - yous are forever the heroes of the Celtc support. There should be statues of yous together at Celtc park. We'll soon have anough statues to do a big huddle roon paradise.

It was the first book I've ever read and it touched me and the rest of the family in ways you couldn't imagine.

A've cut out the book cover and stuck it on top of the picture in the hallway of Newco Jesus so next time the polis kick the door it will be first thing they see. Haha, yer no laughing noo masons!. Boom 3-0 tae ra hoops!

TAL

Hail Hail

Pray for Lenny

Jinky was Innocent

PS. Entered my first star - do i get a free book when I get to five?

[Seveno]

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Stripping of Titles Part 2 ? Bring it on !

And the 2012 Scottish Cup is awarded to ...................................

[TheEastTerrace]

Well, the comments on Amazon sure make for interesting reading.

FWIW, from the very beginning and throughout the course of the Rangers saga, the author was regularly on the money with his reporting of what was and what would happen to RFC, so in some ways, his creditibility has already been established before this book was published. He had sources very close to the situation at Ibrox and I'm sure the book would stand up to scrutiny in terms of reporting the facts.

As for the obsession with Rangers and him being a sectarian bigot, I don't know. All I know is that when I read all the skullduggery designed to undermine or discredit antagonists of the two OF clubs online, it makes me glad I wasn't born and raised in Glasgow as a Rangers or Celtic fan.

[Hibiza]

made their own downfall. over many decades. mostly on hate , bile and self glorification.

[grunt]

Keith Downie‏@STVkeith Rangers say they won't cooperate with the SPL investigation into alleaged use of dual contracts, becuase they are no longer an SPL member.

[grunt]

Here's their full statement:

CHARLES GREEN, Chief Executive of Rangers, issued the following statement today:
“The Rangers Football Club Limited will not attend tomorrow’s hearing (Tuesday, September 11) of the SPL-appointed Commission investigating the circumstances surrounding the use of Employee Benefit Trusts by previous owners of the Club.
"The Club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process that we believe is fundamentally misconceived.
“Neither the SPL, nor its Commission, has any legal power or authority over the Club because it is not in the SPL.
"For that reason it has no legal basis on which to appoint its Commission. The Club ceased to be subject to the SPL’s rules when it was ejected from its league.
"Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.
“First and foremost, I would like to explain this decision to our supporters across the world whose loyalty and commitment to the Club in very difficult times has been unwavering and heart-warming for all those involved at the Club. Our decision regarding this commission is approved unanimously by the Board and the Manager Ally McCoist.
“Since the decision was taken by HMRC on June 14 to reject administrators’ proposals for a Company Voluntary Arrangement, the fate of Rangers FC lay firmly and clearly in the ability of the consortium I led to form a new company and corporate entity that would ensure that Rangers had a future as a football club.
“At all times we were fully transparent in our dealings with the football authorities, be they the SFA, SPL or the SFL.
"There was no ambiguity whatsoever regarding the status of the company when it made an application to join the SPL.
"As we all know, 10 SPL clubs decided against the admission of the new company to the league and The Rangers Football Club Limited subsequently applied to the SFL for membership and we are grateful for their acceptance.
“In short, what was decided by the SPL membership is that Rangers was finished as a member of the SPL.
"Despite this, the SPL now see the new owners of the company, and the new company itself, which owns all the assets of Rangers FC - including SPL championship titles – as fair game for punishment for matters that have nothing to do with us at all.
"And let’s be very clear about what this Commission is. Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff.
"I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.
“To make it crystal clear, the new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies.
"Any attempt to undermine or diminish the value of those assets will be met with the stiffest resistance, including legal recourse.
“Furthermore, we ask the question genuinely. Why did the football authorities do nothing to address an issue that was public knowledge for at least two years, and was reported in the Club’s accounts for several years, before the Club went into administration and was subsequently taken over by new owners?
"HMRC contacted the SPL regarding EBT matters in October 2010, they met to discuss what documentation the Club had lodged with the SPL.
"Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission? Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all? No. They did absolutely nothing.
“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us - as the new owners - took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in either the SPL or Division One.
"We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.
“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith.
"I must make it clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter.
"Quite apart from their negotiations with our consortium, I know the SPL were well advanced in their discussions with another bidder and his representatives where EBT issues were raised and there was again an understanding that the EBT issue could be dealt with by agreement if new owners were to take over at Ibrox.
“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for two years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent.
"The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public.
"The position is even harder to understand when one of the reasons the SFA did not pursue any form of disciplinary charge on EBT matters following Lord Nimmo Smith’s April report was because it was felt unwise for the SFA to pursue the matter when the tax tribunal judgement had not been made public.
"Nothing has changed as the judgement still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?
“Rangers was not the only club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions.
"Furthermore, the period concerned saw a significant downsizing of the playing squad both in money spent on transfers and players wages.
“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible.
"It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.
“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.
“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.
"As far as I am concerned, Rangers Football Club has won a world record 54 league titles, and, whatever the decision of the SPL Commission, these titles cannot and will not be taken away from us and our Manager Ally McCoist is in total agreement.”

[grunt]

"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR TITLES!"

[greenginger]

Just wait until they climb back into an SPL promotion position then tell them they ain't getting promotion for refusing to co-operate.

Simples !

[LeighLoyal]

Who are this "Rangers Football Club" he keeps referring to? Is that the one that liquidated in the summer?




And Sally says: you's ur aw biggoted agaanst us...

[CropleyWasGod]

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Who are this "Rangers Football Club" he keeps referring to? Is that the one that liquidated in the summer?

Probably this one. http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/fd...95/compdetails

[Since90+2]

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Probably this one. http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/fd...95/compdetails

Says "The Rangers" as opposed to "Rangers Football Club"

[Sergio sledge]

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Here's their full statement:

The arrogance and bitterness just oozes from every line. I found this funny though:

Despite this, the SPL now see the new owners of the company, and the new company itself, which owns all the assets of Rangers FC - including SPL championship titles – as fair game for punishment for matters that have nothing to do with us at all.....To make it crystal clear, the new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies. Any attempt to undermine or diminish the value of those assets will be met with the stiffest resistance, including legal recourse.

Didn't they buy the history etc. in the form of "Goodwill" for 1p? can hardly be diminished much more.

Rangers was not the only club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions.

So because the old co were crap at cheating and didn't manage to win in a two horse race every season it is unfair to take action against the cheating?

[LeighLoyal]

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Probably this one. http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/fd...95/compdetails

:fenlon

[Dashing Bob S]

Just read Green's statement on BBC website and he's entirely correct. It is absolutely nothing to do with them, they are a new club, not in the SPL, and shouldn't be called. The only people who should be invited to give evidence to the inquiry are individuals (like McCoist) who were associated with old Rangers. They should be asked to do so.

If the SFA decide to strip Rangers titles during the ETB era, this is nothing to do with the new The Rangers FC.

[grunt]

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There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible.

Do they mean us?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Says "The Rangers" as opposed to "Rangers Football Club"

It says The Rangers Football Club.

In much the same way as the previous company was called The Rangers Football Club plc until it changed its name.....http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/de...b6/compdetails..... but of course was known as "Rangers", the operating name of this company is also "Rangers".

[Billychaotic182]

Deek hinting on twitter that sevco were after him

[greenginger]

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Just read Green's statement on BBC website and he's entirely correct. It is absolutely nothing to do with them, they are a new club, not in the SPL, and shouldn't be called. The only people who should be invited to give evidence to the inquiry are individuals (like McCoist) who were associated with old Rangers. They should be asked to do so.

If the SFA decide to strip Rangers titles during the ETB era, this is nothing to do with the new The Rangers FC.

But Green states quite clearly that the New Rangers have bought the titles from Old Co. It should have been obvious to Green that the purchase of Rangers goodwill and titles was a risky business and that purchasing merchandise obtained by fraud was always likely to end in confiscation of such items.

He should have adjusted the 1 penny purchase price he paid accordingly.

[matty_f]

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Just wait until they climb back into an SPL promotion position then tell them they ain't getting promotion for refusing to co-operate.

Simples !

That's the one.

Pretty easy for the SPL to get what they want with this one, either co-operate or consider yourselves unable to ever participate in the SPL.

[Onion]

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Just read Green's statement on BBC website and he's entirely correct. It is absolutely nothing to do with them, they are a new club, not in the SPL, and shouldn't be called. The only people who should be invited to give evidence to the inquiry are individuals (like McCoist) who were associated with old Rangers. They should be asked to do so.

If the SFA decide to strip Rangers titles during the ETB era, this is nothing to do with the new The Rangers FC.

Yet, Green bought the Rangers "Brand" and name so has a clear interest in anything that can impact that name and brand. He also says " As far as I am concerned, Rangers Football Club has won a world record 54 league titles, and, whatever the decision of the SPL Commission, these titles cannot and will not be taken away from us and our Manager Ally McCoist is in total agreement.”

So, he chooses not to defend the position but has a clear interest and view on the outcome !! Me thinks he knows what the outcome is going to be and is in denial (hear & see no evil).

[Sir David Gray]

Charles Green and everyone else connected with Sevco 5088 need to make their minds up here.

They're either a brand new club, completely distinct from Rangers FC, or they are simply a continuation of the old company.

If it's the former then I agree with Green, the SPL have nothing over Sevco 5088 and like DBS said, they should be going after individuals associated with the old Rangers and not Sevco 5088 themselves.

However, by the same token, then Sevco 5088 cannot claim to have won 50 odd titles and should not have the same badge as Rangers FC either.

If it's the latter, which most people associated with Sevco 5088 seem to be claiming to be the case, when it suits them anyway, then the SPL have every right to pursue Sevco 5088 and to hold them responsible for the alleged wrongs of the club before liquidation took place.

They cannot pick and choose between the pros and cons of being a continuation on the old company.

They're either the same or they're not.

[Spike Mandela]

They really are a despicable club lacking in any humility or morality whatsoever. I see more veiled hints of legal recourse should the decision go against them again which The SFA backed out of acting on when they did it previously.

As I have mentioned before, this cheating institution will take every avenue it sees fit to rip the pure pish out of every single one of us and the fabric of the game in this country is compromised yet again.

[Seveno]

Just when you thought it was impossible to hate them even more.

[Gettin' Auld]

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Keith Downie‏@STVkeith Rangers say they won't cooperate with the SPL investigation into alleaged use of dual contracts, becuase they are no longer an SPL member.

Judging by that, the guy is barely literate!!

[Hibrandenburg]

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That's the one.

Pretty easy for the SPL to get what they want with this one, either co-operate or consider yourselves unable to ever participate in the SPL.

Do you really think that's what the SPL want? If they get their way then there'll be SPL football being played at I'mbroke next season.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Just when you thought it was impossible to hate them even more.

I hate Derhun with a passion, they should have had the book thrown at them from Day 1.......Unfortunately the SFA showed that they have no backbone, although our esteemed Chairman thought the SFA were doing their best for our game

[ancient hibee]

Having picked up Rangers for nothing Green is now running rings around the Scottish football establishment -wonder if he plays midfield?