Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[StevieC]

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I did ask on this site a week or two ago why Rangers and Celtic were referred to as 'The Old Firm' but didn't get a response

Why wait a week? Google is your friend

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Re the "Old Firm" I am sure I once heard it was coined after a Cup final in which both teams didn't try to score at the end thus ensuring another gate from the replay. (Maybe 1920s) A newspaper reporter referred to them as behaving like 2 sides of an Old Firm and the name stuck

My understanding was it was down to the financial gain from the two meeting (on regular occassions), although I suspect the above scenario is more likely to be a myth.

[PatHead]

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Why wait a week? Google is your friend



My understanding was it was down to the financial gain from the two meeting (on regular occassions), although I suspect the above scenario is more likely to be a myth.

Looks like you could be right though I definately read fairly recently the term came from one game.

From Kevin McArra in the Guardian 2009

"In the annals of misconduct by Old Firm fans, however, the most fascinating episode occurred in the replay of the 1909 Scottish Cup, when they were provoked to cause mayhem jointly. Conspiracy theories abounded then because there had been a history of draws between the clubs in the Glasgow Cup, which made sceptics wonder if the results had been rigged to generate more money in replays. The Scottish Cup final of 1909 ended 2-2. There was some discussion as to whether there should be extra-time if required in the next attempt to settle the contest. Some of the public might even have supposed that an agreement had been reached, but the SFA stuck by its policy that there could only be an additional half-hour if the final went to a third game.
The players, too, were in a muddle and lingered on the pitch at full-time following a 1-1 draw in the next encounter. Spectators made a decision of their own when it was apparent that there would be no further football. An attempt by them to break into the pavilion was repelled, but no one could stop the fans from pulling down the posts and crossbars. Souvenir hunters used their penknives to cut themselves pieces of wood as souvenirs.
A bonfire was started in front of the north enclosure, with wooden barriers from the terracing taken down and set alight. Twenty-seven turnstile booths were also ablaze. The fire brigade were foiled as some of the 6,000 rioters pelted them with stones and cut the hoses. The SFA happily accepted the Old Firm request that there should be no further replay."

See there behaviour hasn't really changed judging by Belfast this week.

[jacomo]

Celtc fans have been trying to argue for a while now that there is no such thing as the Old Firm anymore, as they are at a different level to Rangers.

For that reason alone, I think it best to reference the Old Firm at every possible opportunity.

[Suburban Hibby]

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...sbar-challenge

One million quid crossbar challenge.....

[adhibs]

£1.50 a text soon adds up, wouldnt be surprised if a few of the new signings are after a go

[silverhibee]

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£1.50 a text soon adds up, wouldnt be surprised if a few of the new signings are after a go

[edinburghhibee]

Good idea I think will make them a lot of money.... Until someone wins, then they tell them that they are getting 6p to the £1.

[easty]

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Good idea I think will make them a lot of money.... Until someone wins, then they tell them that they are getting 6p to the £1.

Aye, or it bankrupts The Rangers and they have to start again The Rangers II. Who will they blame then? The boy that won the million will be outed as a Celtc fan nae doubt.

We should have an even bigger money comp, £2m to the first Hibs fan who can skelp John McGlynns big shiney heid in the away dugout, with a pizza from anywhere in the East Stand.

[CraigHibee]

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We should have an even bigger money comp, £2m to the first Hibs fan who can skelp John McGlynns big shiney heid in the away dugout, with a pizza from anywhere in the East Stand.

can i get first shot at uncle fester please?

[Gettin' Auld]

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Good idea I think will make them a lot of money.... Until someone wins, then they tell them that they are getting 6p to the £1.

Ha Ha Ha

[cam75]

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can i get first shot at uncle fester please?

Are you allowed frozen pizza into the ground?

[Seveno]

The prize money will be insured. It's called Prize Indemnity.

They will soon cover the premium with the 'entry fee'.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Is it just me or do they go out their way to write "Rangers" ?

I mean written by "Rangers Football Club" is that a ghost writer?

[crewetollhibee]

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Are you allowed frozen pizza into the ground?

Or can the pizza come wrapped in a big Domino's lorry ?

[LeighLoyal]

Winner gets the floating charge rights after the CVA.

[hibees 7062]

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Aye, or it bankrupts The Rangers and they have to start again The Rangers II. Who will they blame then? The boy that won the million will be outed as a Celtc fan nae doubt.

We should have an even bigger money comp, £2m to the first Hibs fan who can skelp John McGlynns big shiney heid in the away dugout, with a pizza from anywhere in the East Stand.

Oot a cannon

[Onceinawhile]

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http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...sbar-challenge

One million quid crossbar challenge.....

Presumably the rangers will actually pay the winner rather than just leaving it to the SPL?

[s.a.m]

http://news.sky.com/story/981908/exc...-market-return

[LeighLoyal]

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http://news.sky.com/story/981908/exc...-market-return

Tells you Green knows they can't survive three years in purgatory without the hun thicks buying overpriced, worthless stock. More grounds for a gross alienation of assets, also.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Re the "Old Firm" I am sure I once heard it was coined after a Cup final in which both teams didn't try to score at the end thus ensuring another gate from the replay. (Maybe 1920s) A newspaper reporter referred to them as behaving like 2 sides of an Old Firm and the name stuck

I remember Hibs being penalised against Celtic in the final of the soccer sixes for not trying to score, I'm sure the ref said it was unsportsmanlike conduct, its always made me chuckle!

[jgl07]

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I remember Hibs being penalised against Celtic in the final of the soccer sixes for not trying to score, I'm sure the ref said it was unsportsmanlike conduct, its always made me chuckle!

Aye they were ahead and running down the clock. The referee gave a free kick and Celtic scored.

[PatHead]

THE commission probing Rangers’ alleged undisclosed payments to players will hold procedural hearings next week.
The Scottish Premier League announced that the independent panel would sit for its first two days.
A statement read: “The Scottish Premier League today announced that the independent commission to inquire into alleged EBT payments and arrangements made by Rangers in relation to players during the period from 2000 until 2011 will sit on Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 September.
“The hearing will be chaired by Lord Nimmo Smith and will consider submissions from parties on various procedural matters.
“It will not be a hearing of the merits of the case.”
The three-man group, which also features Charles Flint QC and Nicholas Stewart QC, will eventually decide whether Rangers broke SPL rules regarding payments made through their controversial Employee Benefit Trust scheme.
The payments are also the subject of a tax tribunal, which is yet to be decided.
The tax tribunal will have no impact on the current Ibrox regime, which bought the assets and business of the soon-to-be-liquidated club.
But the SPL probe could lead to Rangers being stripped of league titles, although there are more than a dozen other potential sanctions

[Jack Hackett]

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THE commission probing Rangers’ alleged undisclosed payments to players will hold procedural hearings next week.
The Scottish Premier League announced that the independent panel would sit for its first two days.
A statement read: “The Scottish Premier League today announced that the independent commission to inquire into alleged EBT payments and arrangements made by Rangers in relation to players during the period from 2000 until 2011 will sit on Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 September.
“The hearing will be chaired by Lord Nimmo Smith and will consider submissions from parties on various procedural matters.
“It will not be a hearing of the merits of the case.”
The three-man group, which also features Charles Flint QC and Nicholas Stewart QC, will eventually decide whether Rangers broke SPL rules regarding payments made through their controversial Employee Benefit Trust scheme.
The payments are also the subject of a tax tribunal, which is yet to be decided.
The tax tribunal will have no impact on the current Ibrox regime, which bought the assets and business of the soon-to-be-liquidated club.
But the SPL probe could lead to Rangers being stripped of league titles, although there are more than a dozen other potential sanctions

They need to throw the book at them....Nothing less than a censure and a suspended sentence

[Spike Mandela]

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They need to throw the book at them....Nothing less than a censure and a suspended sentence

Let us review the punishments doled out so far by the authorities in this country during this shameful episode........

- 10 point penalty (rangers finished 2nd instead of errrr, 2nd in the league)
- £160k fine (not bad for witholding £14m PAYE, more of a business plan than punishmennt really)
- 1 year transfer embargo ( delayed till end of transfer window, rangers spend millions)
- 3 match ban for McCoist ( suspended for 1 year)
- Censure for Green (slap on wrist)


Confident now that SPL will hand out a weakened punishment for EBT's that will ensure Rangers FC have 'got away with it'. The biggest scandal in Scottish football EVER!

[Since90+2]

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Let us review the punishments doled out so far by the authorities in this country during this shameful episode........

- 10 point penalty (rangers finished 2nd instead of errrr, 2nd in the league)
- £160k fine (not bad for witholding £14m PAYE, more of a business plan than punishmennt really)
- 1 year transfer embargo ( delayed till end of transfer window, rangers spend millions)
- 3 match ban for McCoist ( suspended for 1 year)
- Censure for Green (slap on wrist)


Confident now that SPL will hand out a weakened punishment for EBT's that will ensure Rangers FC have 'got away with it'. The biggest scandal in Scottish football EVER!

Is it not the three independent QC's / Lord who will decide the punishment and not the SPL?

[Spike Mandela]

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Is it not the three independent QC's / Lord who will decide the punishment and not the SPL?

It was independent QC's/Lords that issued the transfer embargo, it was SFA that made it ineffective and weak.

Don't hold your breath for any tough sanction ever being implented. Ranges have been punished enough don't ya know! Anyway McCoist won't accept it so, that's that.

[StevieC]

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Confident now that SPL will hand out a weakened punishment for EBT's that will ensure Rangers FC have 'got away with it'. The biggest scandal in Scottish football EVER!

I think the biggest issue, if they are found guilty (which is surely a "given"), is the potential cases filed by the teams that missed out on additional prize money and further progression in cup competitions.

I think that this may have been the reason that the SFA/SPL were so intent on The Rangers accepting any punishments from outstanding charges.

If (when) the EBT's are proven to be against the rules, you'll have teams saying "hang on, we missed out on £200k(?) prize money that season, we want it now". If The Rangers had received their SFA membership with no santions then it might be the SFA/SPL that would have had to answer to (refund) potential compensation charges.

[Seveno]

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I think the biggest issue, if they are found guilty (which is surely a "given"), is the potential cases filed by the teams that missed out on additional prize money and further progression in cup competitions.

I think that this may have been the reason that the SFA/SPL were so intent on The Rangers accepting any punishments from outstanding charges.

If (when) the EBT's are proven to be against the rules, you'll have teams saying "hang on, we missed out on £200k(?) prize money that season, we want it now". If The Rangers had received their SFA membership with no santions then it might be the SFA/SPL that would have had to answer to (refund) potential compensation charges.

I doubt that any clubs will have the balls to pursue a claim.

[StevieC]

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I doubt that any clubs will have the balls to pursue a claim.

Why not?

Isn't there a Portugese team that has already said they are looking into making a claim?

[Kaiser1962]

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Any losing team against Rangers coul equally have been beaten against another team but not had the benefit of the gate money.

They could have but the players concerned would have gotten their win bonus, which they may have been denied by Rangers subterfuge. I am thinking mainly of the teams that lost in semi-finals or finals to Oldhun, where the bonus to players may have been significant, or as Steve says, those that lost in European competition (in the run to the final?) where we may well be talking really big bucks. All it needs is one of these clubs to raise the issue with UEFA.

This could be extended to bookies whose punters bet against Oldhun and lost. Can of worms and lid spring to mind.