Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[ScottB]

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I also read the quote from Fat Sally and thought that sums up him and his club quite well. They have players at that club that earn more than the average turnover of any of those Div3 outfits but his answer to not being able to beat a bunch of part-timers is he needs more quality on the pitch, i.e. more money to spend.

Isn't that how your club's previous incarnation got into trouble in the first place? Have you learned nothing?

Oh come on

Ally's status as Lord and Saviour of Rangers is definitely starting to slip. They'll turn on him soon enough, no doubt begging for Uncle Wattie to return.

To react to a series of poor performances against guys who spend their weeks working like the rest of us by demanding yet more professional, vastly higher paid players sums it all up. There is an attitude problem from top to bottom at the club, and he doesn't have the tools to change it.

[Tynie01011973]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8026785/

HTF is this tw@t allowed to carry on in office and now speaking about call for change having nothing to do with Sevco FC being fast-tracked back to SPL

[PatHead]

Scottish football does need to change and if an unfortunate side effect is Newco benefitting that is a shame but change should not be held up just to make Newco suffer. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

In any event they will probably be bust again by then and demoted to West of Scotland league this time.

[s.a.m]

Charles Paterson‏@charlesp_sky#SSN learns Rangers defender Kirk Broadfoot has agreed in principle to be released from the club

[StevieC]

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Scottish football does need to change and if an unfortunate side effect is Newco benefitting that is a shame but change should not be held up just to make Newco suffer. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

I was just about to say the same.

We've been shouting out for a larger league, and it seems the best way to do that would be an amalgamating 4 divisions into 3 with larger divisions.

We'd just be cutting our noses to spite our face if we tried to object on the basis that Sevco might reach the top division a little bit quicker.

Of course it could mean that Sevco get themselves promoted into division 2 .. only to find that division two has then become the bottom league again


EDIT: sorry, forgot to add that I agree with the opening sentiment regarding: president, tw*t, and still in office

[matty_f]

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Scottish football does need to change and if an unfortunate side effect is Newco benefitting that is a shame but change should not be held up just to make Newco suffer. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

In any event they will probably be bust again by then and demoted to West of Scotland league this time.

I think football in Scotland needs to move on now and if sevco benefit from a much needed change then so be it. Lets not cut our noses off to spite our face.

[Pretty Boy]

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I think football in Scotland needs to move on now and if sevco benefit from a much needed change then so be it. Lets not cut our noses off to spite our face.

Exactly. Most fans have wanted change for years, we can't suddenly change our minds because it might benefit Rangers.

If a side effect of Rangers demise is a radical and much needed overhaul of Scottish football then I'm all for it.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Charles Paterson‏@charlesp_sky#SSN learns Rangers defender Kirk Broadfoot has agreed in principle to be released from the club

More cost-cutting. Edu, Goian and now Clubfoot. I said it last week, there will be a few more out the door next week.

Bocanegra next?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Oh come on

Ally's status as Lord and Saviour of Rangers is definitely starting to slip. They'll turn on him soon enough, no doubt begging for Uncle Wattie to return.

To react to a series of poor performances against guys who spend their weeks working like the rest of us by demanding yet more professional, vastly higher paid players sums it all up. There is an attitude problem from top to bottom at the club, and he doesn't have the tools to change it.

Thing is, if the BBC report from last week is to be believed, McCoist has a substantial stake in the club. He is locked-in to a certain extent.

[ballengeich]

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More cost-cutting. Edu, Goian and now Clubfoot. I said it last week, there will be a few more out the door next week.

Bocanegra next?

I posted my agreement with you last week. What I hadn't appreciated was Green's financial ability. I'd expected transfers and loan deals. It wouldn't have occurred to me to open the front door of Ibrox, throw out an imaginary stick with a cry of "fetch" and see Broadfoot head into the distance.

I also forecast mass redundancies. I think they'll be deferred until the share issue is well under way.

[jacomo]

If the authorities had made the correct decision re: Rangers in the first place, without all the damaging delay, it would make this vital reconstruction easier and less open to criticism.

[ballengeich]

Whatever the reconstruction is, clubs should know at the start of a season what they're playing for. There should not be a change at the start of next season. In 2013-14 clubs can play for their places in the 2014-15 season. That could still mean The Rangers in the SPL in two years rather than three, but it would at least be a result of open competition.

[Spike Mandela]

A 3 league reconstruction was never going to Happen if Oldco had stayed in the SPL. The SPL's preferred option was a 10 team league as espoused by our own moustachiod one so all his crap about this been a year long discussion is just ,well err more lies from Mr Ogilvie EBT.

League reconstruction is now high up the agenda for one reason only, Newco, and if the rest of the clubs have any balls any agreement should be reached to start when Sevco have completed their 3 year sojourn.

[Sir David Gray]

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A 3 league reconstruction was never going to Happen if Oldco had stayed in the SPL. The SPL's preferred option was a 10 team league as espoused by our own moustachiod one so all his crap about this been a year long discussion is just ,well err more lies from Mr Ogilvie EBT.

League reconstruction is now high up the agenda for one reason only, Newco, and if the rest of the clubs have any balls any agreement should be reached to start when Sevco have completed their 3 year sojourn.

Yup.

Totally agree.

We would never be hearing a peep out of the authorities about this league reconstruction if this whole situation with Sevco hadn't happened.

[lucky]

Fat Sally recommended Claros to Hibs when they could not afford him, tells you how much he knows about football

[JIm]

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Yup.

Totally agree.

We would never be hearing a peep out of the authorities about this league reconstruction if this whole situation with Sevco hadn't happened.

Its been high on Regans agenda ever since he started the job, look back at the SFA's 2020 vision from over a year ago and you'll find lots of plans for this to happen. The fact that it was publicised when Rangers hit the **** was pure media hype making it out to be something new and recent.

[HoboHarry]

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Fat Sally recommended Claros to Hibs when they could not afford him, tells you how much he knows about football

Don't really know what you mean by that. You think Claros isn't much of a player?

[LeighLoyal]

I'm not sure Sally will be at Sevco much longer to recommend players. Gweenie is going to sh it himself if they don't beat Elgin and I see it as a distinct possibility going by Berwick. Forgive the oxymoron, but going by Orc Media the Sevconians are already revolting.

[Hibs07p]

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A 3 league reconstruction was never going to Happen if Oldco had stayed in the SPL. The SPL's preferred option was a 10 team league as espoused by our own moustachiod one so all his crap about this been a year long discussion is just ,well err more lies from Mr Ogilvie EBT.

League reconstruction is now high up the agenda for one reason only, Newco, and if the rest of the clubs have any balls any agreement should be reached to start when Sevco have completed their 3 year sojourn.

Totally agree, and I think the SFL clubs will ensure it happens. They will all want a bit of Sevcos income stream as they "glide effortlessly" up through the divisions. It could be so beneficial to them financially, the SFL might want to keep them, as shown by Peterhead & Berwick.

[Jack]

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Charles Paterson‏@charlesp_sky#SSN learns Rangers defender Kirk Broadfoot has agreed in principle to be released from the club

Is there a suggestion there that he's not good enough for division 3 football? Something a lot of us have suggested for a while.

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If the authorities had made the correct decision re: Rangers in the first place, without all the damaging delay, it would make this vital reconstruction easier and less open to criticism.

The authorities couldn’t do much more, any quicker than they did. The time wasting was duff and duffer who saw this as a ploy to get that club over the finish line last season; saving that club but shafting everyone and everything they have ever touched in the process.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Is there a suggestion there that he's not good enough for division 3 football? Something a lot of us have suggested for a while.



The authorities couldn’t do much more, any quicker than they did. The time wasting was duff and duffer who saw this as a ploy to get that club over the finish line last season; saving that club but shafting everyone and everything they have ever touched in the process.

They couldn't really do anything before June 14, when the CVA was voted down. If by some miracle it had been voted through then there wouldn't have been any difference between Rangers and other clubs that have been through administration. Almost all of the delay after that was caused by constitutional requirements, giving 14 days notice of meetings and crap like that.

[PatHead]

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A 3 league reconstruction was never going to Happen if Oldco had stayed in the SPL. The SPL's preferred option was a 10 team league as espoused by our own moustachiod one so all his crap about this been a year long discussion is just ,well err more lies from Mr Ogilvie EBT.

League reconstruction is now high up the agenda for one reason only, Newco, and if the rest of the clubs have any balls any agreement should be reached to start when Sevco have completed their 3 year sojourn.

Don't agree.

The Old Rangers with their sidekicks from the other side of Glasgow managed to ruin Scottish football over the last 3 decades. By delaying any changes to get on Rangers nerves would mean Newco were once again holding Scottish football back. This can't happen even if they are benefitting from any changes.

One geverning body, League re-construction, re-introduction of proper reserve teams, summer football etc should all be considered, voted upon and implemented as soon as possible.

[Just Alf]

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Don't agree.

The Old Rangers with their sidekicks from the other side of Glasgow managed to ruin Scottish football over the last 3 decades. By delaying any changes to get on Rangers nerves would mean Newco were once again holding Scottish football back. This can't happen even if they are benefitting from any changes.

One geverning body, League re-construction, re-introduction of proper reserve teams, summer football etc should all be considered, voted upon and implemented as soon as possible.

..... if it means Sevco back in the top flight a year earlier then so be it.... small price to pay if we get what we want... finally

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm not sure reconstruction would have to benefit Sevco. The most likely change is 4 divisions to 3. If we assume even Fat Sally can't fail to get his SPL all-stars promoted from Div 3 anyway, then they only gain anything if they get to go directly into the new 2nd tier.

Say we go from 12-10-10-10 to 14-14-14. You can imagine 1 down from and 3 up to the top division. So then the second tier has 1 coming down and it's lost 3 clubs that got promoted, so it needs 6 other clubs . Would we normally expect the winner of the current Div3 to jump past that many clubs? I don't think so.

I imagine they got the idea from the relaunched Fiorentina Viola which got to jump directly from Serie C2 to Serie B as Serie B was enlarged. Once again the Muppets are failing to factor in fan sentiment. I doubt there is that much ill feeling from fans of other Italian clubs to Fiorentina, certainly nothing like the scale of ours for the cuddly Huns.

Every attempted Sevco stitch up (apart from the fast track to Div 3) has been torpedoed by the weight of fan opinion. Can't see that being any different this time?

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm not as happy at this as some. I believe that this is a flawed agenda constructed by the corrupt and discredited individuals, constructed again to get back to a short-term unworkable status quo asap.

The three things the fans want:

1. Fairer voting structure

2. More equitable distribution of TV money

3. 16 or 18 team senior league with each team playing each other twice (not four TV gerrymandered OF league games)

should be on the table from the start. Otherwise is there any point in going through another farce, constructed by Stuart "riots in the streets" Reagan to solely exonerate himself, and watching him look more of an incompetent prick than ever?

I'd say, yes talk about it now, and draw up an action plan to be implemented in five years time, once RFC in its different forms has served its punishment. We've tolerated inertia long enough, we shouldn't be in a big rush to be dynamic just because Reagan wants the old status quo asap. If he is running things the objective will be to get right back to where we were last season, with no real change.

Clubs competing for 2nd place is marginally more interesting than clubs competing for third place for the rest of us; anything else is just to serve OF interests.

[LeighLoyal]

I'd rather Sevco serve their time in the lower leagues, I don't see why there should be any big changes when we've just agreed a five year TV deal. Sevco have three years, maybe more going by how sh it they are, before we'll see them in the SPL. There should be no rush. Whatever club gets second in the SPL and collects the prize money that would have been oldco's or Celtic's, well done.

[Caversham Green]

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I'm not sure reconstruction would have to benefit Sevco. The most likely change is 4 divisions to 3. If we assume even Fat Sally can't fail to get his SPL all-stars promoted from Div 3 anyway, then they only gain anything if they get to go directly into the new 2nd tier.

Say we go from 12-10-10-10 to 14-14-14. You can imagine 1 down from and 3 up to the top division. So then the second tier has 1 coming down and it's lost 3 clubs that got promoted, so it needs 6 other clubs . Would we normally expect the winner of the current Div3 to jump past that many clubs? I don't think so.

I imagine they got the idea from the relaunched Fiorentina Viola which got to jump directly from Serie C2 to Serie B as Serie B was enlarged. Once again the Muppets are failing to factor in fan sentiment. I doubt there is that much ill feeling from fans of other Italian clubs to Fiorentina, certainly nothing like the scale of ours for the cuddly Huns.

Every attempted Sevco stitch up (apart from the fast track to Div 3) has been torpedoed by the weight of fan opinion. Can't see that being any different this time?

That's how I'm seeing it as well.

By any logical arangement the new bottom tier would consist of all 10 Div 3 clubs (including Sevco) plus the bottom four of Div 2. The middle tier would be the top six Div 2 clubs plus eight Div 1 clubs and the top two Div 1 clubs would be promoted to the top tier. As you say one down and three up to the top league could be considered fair enough, but giving the Div 3 winners preference over half of Div 2 could not be justified.

[Bighoose]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...rover.18705225

Raith Chairman, Turnbull Hutton talking more sense once again. Gets tore into McCoist, Uncle Wattie, etc.. and Stewart Regan gets both barrels...

"I'm not a fan of Stewart Regan. Nothing he has done has given me any assurance that he's the right man for the job. Whatever was wrong with Scottish football in the past, and there was plenty, Ernie Walker and Jim Farry were at matches up and down the country. You got a chance to speak to them and they were happy to talk about the issues. Now we have a guy running Scottish football and he's never at a game on a Saturday. It was a bad judgment call for him to come wading into this issue. When did the SFA ever weigh into an SPL row before? Regan saw it as an opportunity to show he was in charge, but he messed it up totally."

[JimBHibees]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...rover.18705225

Raith Chairman, Turnbull Hutton talking more sense once again. Gets tore into McCoist, Uncle Wattie, etc.. and Stewart Regan gets both barrels...

"I'm not a fan of Stewart Regan. Nothing he has done has given me any assurance that he's the right man for the job. Whatever was wrong with Scottish football in the past, and there was plenty, Ernie Walker and Jim Farry were at matches up and down the country. You got a chance to speak to them and they were happy to talk about the issues. Now we have a guy running Scottish football and he's never at a game on a Saturday. It was a bad judgment call for him to come wading into this issue. When did the SFA ever weigh into an SPL row before? Regan saw it as an opportunity to show he was in charge, but he messed it up totally."

The two most worrying aspects to me were the following:

The chairman accuses McCoist of "grandstanding" in demanding to know the names of the three-man judiciary panel, including Drysdale, who handed Rangers their original 12-month transfer ban. Their identities were already known to the Ibrox club.

and

Hutton was in the room when a motion of no confidence in the SFA chief executive was proposed and seconded, only for SFL president Jim Ballantyne to veto the vote.

Absolutely incredible IMO.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Sally linked with the Coventry job on Football Rumours (I know!), it would be amusing though.