Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[lapsedhibee]

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Here's the Bears take on it.... it's US that are the bigots, not them!

Some of us call them Huns, so we must be the bigots.

[ScottB]

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Sad to see the Rangers Tax Case blogger has wrapped it up. Slightly annoyed given I think there is still more scandal on the EBT scam to emerge, but thanks for giving us all some facts that the shameful weegia were trying to cover up.

Disappointing, given that it and its posters have been hinting at 'something nuclear' that was still to come...

[CropleyWasGod]

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Disappointing, given that it and its posters have been hinting at 'something nuclear' that was still to come...

To be fair, the BTC is a bit of an irrelevance now. Whatever the outcome, it will have little (if any) effect on RFC or Sevco.

[ScottB]

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To be fair, the BTC is a bit of an irrelevance now. Whatever the outcome, it will have little (if any) effect on RFC or Sevco.

There was much suggestion of potential criminal investigations and the like into various 'Rangers men' just seems strange to start hinting at that information, then pulling the plug.

Still, the blog did a solid job in getting us to where we are now.

[MB62]

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Yesterday Super Ersehole was bemoaning the fact he couldn't play Little or Black as though they had signed they were ineligible so he played them as trialists. Surely you can't give a trial to players already on your books?

I have heard nothing about this and it seems increible that it happened.
Why were they ineligible and how did they manage to still play them?

[CropleyWasGod]

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There was much suggestion of potential criminal investigations and the like into various 'Rangers men' just seems strange to start hinting at that information, then pulling the plug.

Still, the blog did a solid job in getting us to where we are now.

That may yet happen, but it would be as the result of BDO's investigation into the conduct of the directors of RFC. They, personally, would be liable for anything that comes out of that.... the companies themselves wouldn't be affected.

Where the BTC would have significance is in the dividend available to the other creditors.

[johnrebus]

It is now that I really despair of the Scottish press and media.

There are so many obvious questions that need to be asked,

1. If as Green says, the new Rangers is a debt free 'newco', then why are they even bothering to lay claim to the dead clubs history, titles, cups etc?

The SFA needs to come out and state categorically that this Rangers is a new Rangers and they have no history. They cannot have it both ways. Rangers must then issue a statement accepting this.

2. Why have the SFA ignored its own rules about any new club having three years audited accounts before being admitted?

3. One of the arguements, even from Hun fans, was a go at the SPL/SFA for not doing 'due dilligence' checks on Whyte before he took over from Murray.

Yet we do not know who these people in the Rangers consortium are! And there has never been - to my knowledge - any firm disclosure as to who really owns Ibrox and Murray Park!

Important fundimental issues are brushed aside in the race to get the Hun back into the game.



Why are these questions not being asked until answers are forthcoming?



The pressure has to be kept up.

[H18sry]

Rangers, SFL, Third Division — July 31, 2012 5:31 pm
The tale of the inexplicable signing policyPosted by Guest Writer
What is going on at The Rangers FC now? Third Division football beckons yet the club is still signing players from the SPL. Commercially, this makes very little sense states Colin D. Young.
The club must already cost significantly more to operate than it can deliver in matchday revenues and sponsorship, therefore the question arises of where Charles Green’s remarkable consortium are finding the cash to finance SPL players playing in the depths of the third division.

Perhaps, just perhaps, their business model is based around winning the cups? This could be feasible with an SPL level squad, but would even the limited revenues from winning the Ramsdens Cup, or even the Scottish Cup, be enough to offset the wages of the likes of Lee McCulloch?

And what of the players?

Can anyone really tell me that Lee Wallace, Lee McCulloch, Dorin Goian or the rest of their ilk couldn’t stroll into contracts in the SPL and play competitive football?

Are these players content with the sporting challenge of competing against such luminaries of the third division as young Kyle Gillespie of East Stirlingshire, or Clyde’s Stefan McCluskey?

Perhaps they are? After all, none of the current The Rangers FC squad are internationals are they? Oops, it appears that some of them are….well, probably not for long unless they move to a competitive club or competition. I’ve got to be absolutely honest with everyone who reads this and state that if someone wanted to pay me SPL wages to go and kick a ball around Glebe Park on a Saturday afternoon, I’d probably jump at the chance too.

This smacks of money over sporting integrity, to drag up that old phrase that seems to have gone away since Rangers descended into the Third. Dean Shiels is one player who has personally turned my stomach. He walks away from a contract with his own father at Kilmarnock – an SPL side, of all things – and goes to The Rangers FC to play against part-timers, veterans at the end of their career and young boys who aren’t good enough to compete at a higher level. Such are the actions of a mercenary.

I apologise to Third Division players for any offence that the above comments may have caused.

It is so very disappointing to see Rangers taking this approach. The opportunity was, and still is, there for them to raise their own youngsters through the ranks and give them experience in preparation for their SPL return – if the SPL even exists by then.

Which brings me nicely to the possible conspiracy theory, namely, perhaps the death of the SPL is so imminent that it has already been agreed. Charles Green already KNOWS that there will be a new league formed, one way or another, in the near future and that The Rangers FC will be invited to play. Why else would he invest so heavily in SPL level playing staff to “compete” in the Third Division?

It wouldn’t be the first time that secret handshakes have been exchanged behind closed doors to decide on the direction of Scottish Football.

Motherwell, St. Johnstone and Dundee United could certainly have benefitted from players like McCulloch, or even Shiels, for their respective challenges in Europe. Sadly, these clubs are faced with a massive challenge (or have failed already) to proceed in Europe – but don’t worry, Rangers third division players are still apparently content that they are getting “competition”. Well, nobody in the SPL would pay a 34-year-old the same wages that Rangers would pay him, so I guess Lee McCulloch has a valid excuse – doesn’t he?

[Offside Trap]

Apologies if posted elsewhere already...but this STV interview with Stewart Regan in last 24 hours is worth a look:

http://t.co/CYugyvD8

It's long (40 mins) but for once it is actually an interview with some teeth - particularly in first 20 mins where Regan flounders. Credit to STV's Raman Bhardwaj for the interview.

Draw your own conclusions about the leader of Scottish football....

[Jim44]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Regan has described Green's and McCoist's comments as undignified and irresponsible. Fair comment but only every bit as undignified and irresponsible as his own comments that Scottish football will suffer a slow lingering death and that social unrest would follow the demise of newco.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Which brings me nicely to the possible conspiracy theory, namely, perhaps the death of the SPL is so imminent that it has already been agreed. Charles Green already KNOWS that there will be a new league formed, one way or another, in the near future and that The Rangers FC will be invited to play. Why else would he invest so heavily in SPL level playing staff to “compete” in the Third Division?

That isn't the case. It's more to do with the fact that "Rangers" have to generate large income to cover their overheads. The only way to do that is to ensure large crowds every week. If they went and signed a bunch of SFL1 players, sure enough they would win SFL3, but their "loyal" fans would quickly tire of the standard of football. Signing good SPL players is an attempt to keep that fanbase intact.

[PatHead]

Notice The Rangers parent company have changed their name to Rangers something or other. Thought they weren't allowed to do that? Will that make it easier for BDO to prove anything?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Notice The Rangers parent company have changed their name to Rangers something or other. Thought they weren't allowed to do that? Will that make it easier for BDO to prove anything?

IIRC, this was planned a while back. Effectively, RFC and Sevco are swapping names. It's another one of the boxes ticked before the liquidation kicks in.

Nothing wrong with it on the face of things.

It won't make any difference to BDO's work. It's the company they will be working on, regardless of its name.

[Onion]

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Regan has described Green's and McCoist's comments as undignified and irresponsible. Fair comment but only every bit as undignified and irresponsible as his own comments that Scottish football will suffer a slow lingering death and that social unrest would follow the demise of newco.

Regan, Green and McCoist - all chums one day and slagging each other off the next. Snakes the lot of them.

[Seveno]

Aside from signing a few expensive players, I find it quite incredible that Green has made no attempt to reduce the operating costs through redundances amongts the coaching or admin staff.

Either he does have backers with real money (unlikely) or he wants the Club to go bust again. This might suit him perfectly if their is a Sevco (Football Club) and a Sevco (Property).

' So Mr Brown/ Murray/ Kennedy, how much are you prepared to pay to rent my stadium and training facilities ?'

[PatHead]

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IIRC, this was planned a while back. Effectively, RFC and Sevco are swapping names. It's another one of the boxes ticked before the liquidation kicks in.

Nothing wrong with it on the face of things.

It won't make any difference to BDO's work. It's the company they will be working on, regardless of its name.

Damn

[LeighLoyal]

Note it's "The Rangers Football Club Limited" So when it goes belly up, as it will going by the reported Orc season book total running at 3500 and crazy spending.. Green and his mysterons won't be losing any sleep or fingers over New Orcs demise when it happens.





Neither will I

[Ozyhibby]

According to a poster on Hun media Murray, Walter smith and Jim Trayner having lunch in Martin Wisharts at the shore.
Succulent lamb on the menu?

[johnrebus]

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According to a poster on Hun media Murray, Walter smith and Jim Trayner having lunch in Martin Wisharts at the shore.
Succulent lamb on the menu?

Roast Saddle of Dornoch Lamb.




I kid you not.

[Just Alf]

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Roast Saddle of Dornoch Lamb.




I kid you not.

bloody nice though .......... not for the succulant lamb obviously

[CallumLaidlaw]

Interesting blog -
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...mageddon-then/

[Kaff]

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According to a poster on Hun media Murray, Walter smith and Jim Trayner having lunch in Martin Wisharts at the shore.
Succulent lamb on the menu?

David Murray or the new one?

[Ozyhibby]

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David Murray or the new one?

David

[stoobs]

Killie chairman has changed his tune.

"The financial fall-out from that won't be nearly as great as it might have been," said Johnston, who is now on the league's board.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19087489

[McSwanky]

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Killie chairman has changed his tune.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19087489

Surprise, surprise. At least he's admitted he was talking Tom Kite.

[Caversham Green]

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Killie chairman has changed his tune.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19087489

"I've always felt that the SPL should be about full-time professional football, whatever the number of clubs that may be," Johnston added.

The basis of a plan to get Sevco into the SPL ASAP? Doesn't matter where they end up in the league, they're a full-time club so get to join the SPL....

[Moulin Yarns]

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Interesting blog -
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...mageddon-then/

There was a similar analysis a while ago, maybe on this thread, that suggested the number of fans required to make up the 'loss' of the Rangers fans, and I'm sure the Saints figure wasn't far from the one in this blog, and I also think our average attendance needed to rise by something like 80 fans per game to make up said loss. Surely not insurmountable.

[hibs0666]

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Interesting blog -
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...mageddon-then/

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. The SPL payouts include all sponsorship/TV incomes minus the cost of running the SPL - it's not simply a case of taking the TV deal and divvying it up to get the magic numbers. For a number of reasons I think he's underestimating the financial impact and, for example:

• the league has lost an additional 2.7 million international TV rights deal
• there will be an additional £1 million payment made to the SFL for TV rights

I'm not saying for a second that it's armageddon time, but I wouldn't be surprised if the financial impact is closer to (a more meaty) 10% of St. Johnstone revenues rather than (a marginal) 3%.

[DaveF]

Have they got approval for membership yet, or do they play on Saturday on a conditional basis?

[H18sry]

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Have they got approval for membership yet, or do they play on Saturday on a conditional basis?

Paperwork should all be completed on Friday.