Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[SteveHFC]

[I Love Lamp]

As much as I agree with and respect the SFL's decision today, this is not the end. Tweets like this one:

Charles Paterson ‏@charlesp_sky ‪#SSN‬ sources understand the issue of the possible re-admittance of "Rangers"/Rangers newco into the SPL will also be on the agenda

...and comments like those from the Information Communications Technology Chairman, Kenny Cameron, today probably suggest that a further attempt will be made to readmit Rangers into the SPL on Monday (with sanctions and reconstruction) since the SFL clubs wouldn't join an SPL 2.

Despite Ally McCoist and Charles Green's comments, they would jump at being allowed back into the SPL. Really don't want to be a doom-sayer but I fear many could find themselves very disappointed on Monday night. I would stick money on them getting back into the SPL to cushion the disappointment.

[HibbyAndy]

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As much as I agree with and respect the SFL's decision today, this is not the end. Tweets like this one:

Charles Paterson ‏@charlesp_sky ‪#SSN‬ sources understand the issue of the possible re-admittance of "Rangers"/Rangers newco into the SPL will also be on the agenda

...and comments like those from the Information Communications Technology Chairman, Kenny Cameron, today probably suggest that a further attempt will be made to readmit Rangers into the SPL on Monday (with sanctions and reconstruction) since the SFL clubs wouldn't join an SPL 2.

Despite Ally McCoist and Charles Green's comments, they would jump at being allowed back into the SPL. Really don't want to be a doom-sayer but I fear many could find themselves very disappointed on Monday night. I would stick money on them getting back into the SPL to cushion the disappointment.

IMO, And its OIMO, Rangers or whatever the hell they are called nowadays have zero chance of playing SPL football next season, I really cant see how they can worm there way out of this mess.Their really is no other outcome other than Div 3 football or Scottish fitba is dead to the world.


Im fairly confident Rangers will begin life next season in Div 3.

[Hibercelona]

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As much as I agree with and respect the SFL's decision today, this is not the end. Tweets like this one:

Charles Paterson ‏@charlesp_sky ‪#SSN‬ sources understand the issue of the possible re-admittance of "Rangers"/Rangers newco into the SPL will also be on the agenda

...and comments like those from the Information Communications Technology Chairman, Kenny Cameron, today probably suggest that a further attempt will be made to readmit Rangers into the SPL on Monday (with sanctions and reconstruction) since the SFL clubs wouldn't join an SPL 2.

Despite Ally McCoist and Charles Green's comments, they would jump at being allowed back into the SPL. Really don't want to be a doom-sayer but I fear many could find themselves very disappointed on Monday night. I would stick money on them getting back into the SPL to cushion the disappointment.

How do you think they would get them into the SPL now?

[stoneyburn hibs]

Sky Sports would like to apologise for wrongly advertising Rangers in 3D , they meant Rangers in D3.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Alex Thomson has just said on Channel 4 news that the SFA have told him that they will respect the vote of the SFL. Looks like Regan has deserted his crooked Donkey chum.

I dont think even the SFA could have been so naive as to ignore the voting.....

[Baldy Foghorn]

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IMO, And its OIMO, Rangers or whatever the hell they are called nowadays have zero chance of playing SPL football next season, I really cant see how they can worm there way out of this mess.Their really is no other outcome other than Div 3 football or Scottish fitba is dead to the world.


Im fairly confident Rangers will begin life next season in Div 3.

SFA would be stupid beyond comprehension to even try to ignore the votes..

[GreenPJ]

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As much as I agree with and respect the SFL's decision today, this is not the end. Tweets like this one:

Charles Paterson ‏@charlesp_sky ‪#SSN‬ sources understand the issue of the possible re-admittance of "Rangers"/Rangers newco into the SPL will also be on the agenda

...and comments like those from the Information Communications Technology Chairman, Kenny Cameron, today probably suggest that a further attempt will be made to readmit Rangers into the SPL on Monday (with sanctions and reconstruction) since the SFL clubs wouldn't join an SPL 2.

Despite Ally McCoist and Charles Green's comments, they would jump at being allowed back into the SPL. Really don't want to be a doom-sayer but I fear many could find themselves very disappointed on Monday night. I would stick money on them getting back into the SPL to cushion the disappointment.

Ticket money is still the biggest income stream for clubs (worth more than TV rights). The Chairmen could not afford to alienate that any further than it already is.

[Paisley Hibby]

Apologies if already posted - made me laugh


Frankie Boyle‏@frankieboyle

Rangers to Division 3. Every other Saturday one if Scotland's smaller towns will get to learn what life was like in the time of the Vikings.

[Eyrie]

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To all those...

...who have done the right thing legally or morally since February, a big THANK YOU from someone who believes passionately about truth, honesty and that disagreeing with the law or a rule is a challenge best overcome by trying to have that law or rule changed by democratic means, not by breaking it.

To all those...

...who have knowingly told lies, hidden or destroyed information that would have promoted a speedier and more truthful outcome, broken the law or rules or otherwise acted in a morally corrupt way you should look in a mirror and try and tell yourself you are a decent person.

To all those...

...in the media who promoted a pro-Hun or pro-Old Firm stance even when such a stance was directly in opposition to the truth and common sense, I hope you realise how close you helped take Scottish football to a real Armageddon. Your lies and your twisted opinions are recorded for future generations including your own grandchildren so that they can see that you were just a pathetic part of the same corruption within the Scottish football scene. Your names are noted and I for one will never buy a paper again that you work for nor listen to a radio station that you work for ever again. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

To Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster...

...yes you fit into paragraph two above but as you are probably too twisted, corrupt and arrogant to believe that I have reserved this final paragraph just for the two of you. For whatever twisted and sick reason you both acted the way you have, with your lies, your u-turns and inability to preside over anything but a complete and utter shambles with complete disregard for any form or moral code except money. I hope every lie and mis-truth comes back to haunt until the day you die. You have been defeated by the truth, honesty and the sheer will power of the Scottish football fans. The best place for both of you to go now is HELL.

Great post

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According to twitter....

Hamilton, Brechin, Stenhousemuir, Queen Of The South, East Stirlingshire. 5 clubs who didn't listen.
Retweeted by #noclubleftbehind

I wondered who the lickspittles were.

[Waxy]

WHY? Did that silly moo presenting ssn say "25 out of 30 SFL clubs voted to send Rangers newco to division 3, the toughest sanction available".?




AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGgggHHHHHHHH HHH

IT WASN'T A SANCTION YOU DAFT @$^&.

Look missus,they where given a huge favour today by being put back in the SFL without any other club being able to apply.
They've just got the easiest entry into the SFL in HISTORY.


THEY SHOULD BE BL&^%Y GRATEFUL> .............................but no......................................they still moan.


Some people upset me.

[I Love Lamp]

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How do you think they would get them into the SPL now?

My reasoning is that, (when you consider the ICT chairman's comments today, the fact Petrie briefed Green on the Division 1 proposal and Celtic's silence throughout this affair) the SPL clubs aren't nearly as against Rangers playing in the SPL as they would like their fans to think. If they did try to re-admit them to the SPL, they would probably say 'well, we tried to do the right thing by kicking them out of the SPL and hoped the SFL would facilitate an one tier's worth of relegation by putting newco in Division 1 but since they wouldn't, we now have to have them back because otherwise we would be financially punished for Rangers' actions'. They would then try and push for sanctions and reconstruction as a fig leaf to protect them from the (wholly justified) anger of their own supports.

I honestly don't think that Doncaster and Regan are flying solo in this - they are saying what the SPL member clubs would like to say but couldn't get away with because their own fans would riot. I suspect that Lawwell and others are riding shotgun. One hint of this is the way that SPL chairmen have also talked about being 'punished' for Rangers' crimes which is similar to Doncaster's rhetoric.

Another (maybe more likely) alternative is they might try and resurrect that idea of re-admitting newco, then deducting all last season's points as punishment and relegating them to Division 1 that way. The reconstruction offer would probably still stand as a fig leaf in this scenario as well. There might not be any provision for this in the rules but don't forget these are the same people who talked of creating a new division in two weeks just to accommodate the newco.

Don't get me wrong. I'm basing this on wee bits of info in the public domain and could be way off. I hope I am and think that reconstruction to a 16team league should happen regardless of anything to do with Rangers, who I think should have been put in D3 months ago. I just have a horrible feeling there's still a chance of them being either in D1 or the SPL.

[Brando7]

How the STV show is off fans next season

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...-at-spl-clubs/

Team Av. vs other Av. vs Rangers Difference £££
Aberdeen 8953 15468 6515 £182,420
Celtic 47221 58602 11381 £956,004
Dundee Utd 7205 9810 2605 £130,250
Dunfermline 4320 7521 3201 £140,844
Hearts 13171 15168 1997 £91,862
Hibernian 9373 11380 2007 £56,196
Inverness 4150 6520 2370 £118,500
Kilmarnock 5328 9506 4178 £91,916
Motherwell 5519 9578 4059 £202,950
St Johnstone 3510 6498 2988 £233,064
St Mirren 4369 6711 2342 £51,524

I'm sure clubs can finds ways to cover the shortfall tho

edit for some reason the spaces here not working grr

[I Love Lamp]

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Ticket money is still the biggest income stream for clubs (worth more than TV rights). The Chairmen could not afford to alienate that any further than it already is.

I honestly believe that some of them think that fans would drift back eventually if there was a 16 team league etc. That's where they'd be making a total miscalculation.

[GreenPJ]

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I honestly believe that some of them think that fans would drift back eventually if there was a 16 team league etc. That's where they'd be making a total miscalculation.

The SPL Chairmen concern is this year and the year after, they don't look far enough in advance to see a good or a bad thing. The leaders of the footballing authorities are just as bad.

[Brando7]

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How the STV show is off fans next season

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...-at-spl-clubs/

Team Av. vs other Av. vs Rangers Difference £££
Aberdeen 8953 15468 6515 £182,420
Celtic 47221 58602 11381 £956,004
Dundee Utd 7205 9810 2605 £130,250
Dunfermline 4320 7521 3201 £140,844
Hearts 13171 15168 1997 £91,862
Hibernian 9373 11380 2007 £56,196
Inverness 4150 6520 2370 £118,500
Kilmarnock 5328 9506 4178 £91,916
Motherwell 5519 9578 4059 £202,950
St Johnstone 3510 6498 2988 £233,064
St Mirren 4369 6711 2342 £51,524

I'm sure clubs can finds ways to cover the shortfall tho

edit for some reason the spaces here not working grr

If these figures are roughly accuract from a Hibs point of view we looking at needing an extra 105 fans to attend each home game, hardly a great deal is it not????

Aberdeen would need 324 each game
Celtic would need 599 each game
Dundee Utd would need 137 each game
Hearts would need 105 each game
Inverness would need 124 each game
Kilmarnock would need 219 each game
Motherwell would need 213 each game
St Johnstone would need 157 each game
St Mirren would need 123 each game

[scoopyboy]

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How do you think they would get them into the SPL now?

Club 12 hasn't been filled yet, explain that one to me. Should have been announced before now irrespective or whether it was Pars or Dundee.

ICT and Killie would now vote for the Huns but I'm hoping they wouldn't get others to side with them.

I would rest easier if Club 12 was announced sharpish.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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My reasoning is that, (when you consider the ICT chairman's comments today, the fact Petrie briefed Green on the Division 1 proposal and Celtic's silence throughout this affair) the SPL clubs aren't nearly as against Rangers playing in the SPL as they would like their fans to think. If they did try to re-admit them to the SPL, they would probably say 'well, we tried to do the right thing by kicking them out of the SPL and hoped the SFL would facilitate an one tier's worth of relegation by putting newco in Division 1 but since they wouldn't, we now have to have them back because otherwise we would be financially punished for Rangers' actions'. They would then try and push for sanctions and reconstruction as a fig leaf to protect them from the (wholly justified) anger of their own supports.

I honestly don't think that Doncaster and Regan are flying solo in this - they are saying what the SPL member clubs would like to say but couldn't get away with because their own fans would riot. I suspect that Lawwell and others are riding shotgun. One hint of this is the way that SPL chairmen have also talked about being 'punished' for Rangers' crimes which is similar to Doncaster's rhetoric.

Another (maybe more likely) alternative is they might try and resurrect that idea of re-admitting newco, then deducting all last season's points as punishment and relegating them to Division 1 that way. The reconstruction offer would probably still stand as a fig leaf in this scenario as well. There might not be any provision for this in the rules but don't forget these are the same people who talked of creating a new division in two weeks just to accommodate the newco.

Don't get me wrong. I'm basing this on wee bits of info in the public domain and could be way off. I hope I am and think that reconstruction to a 16team league should happen regardless of anything to do with Rangers, who I think should have been put in D3 months ago. I just have a horrible feeling there's still a chance of them being either in D1 or the SPL.

It's over. There is no popular consent for having the new Huns anywhere other than the bottom. There will be a few SPL clubs (ICT, St Mirren, Killie and Motherwell) who are perhaps regretting their decision, but there isn't a majority for letting them in now. SFL rules regarding resignation of membership also prevent any possibility of SPL2.

[Hibercelona]

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Club 12 hasn't been filled yet, explain that one to me. Should have been announced before now irrespective or whether it was Pars or Dundee.

ICT and Killie would now vote for the Huns but I'm hoping they wouldn't get others to side with them.

I would rest easier if Club 12 was announced sharpish.

After everything thats happened, I can't see the clubs now voting Sevco into the empty slot. That would be totally ludicrous.

[HibeeBigFly]

Does anyone have any idea who the only team were whom voted no to Sevco going the sfl? I originally thought it was Clyde but hearing rumours it may have been Stranraer?

[NAE NOOKIE]

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ah muhammad ali, the finest wrestler ever to grace a boxing ring.

I presume I have spelt his name wrong and there is a wrestler with that spelling. Otherwise I havnt got a clue what you mean

[VickMackie]

The only thing I'd say is that we, and other clubs, are probably losing St holders anyway.

[Brando7]

Thanks For The Memories

http://youtu.be/qz9stPeGbn4

[Dalkeith]

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Thanks For The Memories

http://youtu.be/qz9stPeGbn4

superb

[jabis]

am I the only one who hopes "sevco"doesn't win Div 3 next year ?

[Brando7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18838183

The Scottish Football League has voted Rangers into Division Three for the start of next season.

But talks will take place next week to resolve outstanding issues such as prior penalties imposed by the SFA.

The SFA had issued Rangers with a transfer embargo and a £100,000 fine for "bringing the game into disrepute".

The new Rangers company will be involved in the discussions with the governing body.
Continue reading the main story

“Today is a watershed for Scottish football. There will, undoubtedly, be financial consequences on the horizon”

Stewart Regan SFA chief executive

In May, before Charles Green was able to purchase the Ibrox club's assets, Rangers went to the Court of Session to overturn the 12-month transfer ban, with Lord Glennie referring the matter back to the SFA.

Green had intimated that his new company would shoulder the old club's footballing responsibilities as he bargained to gain entry to the Scottish Premier League, then Division One.

Meanwhile, SFA chief executive Stewart Regan is calling for unity to overcome the "financial consequences" of Rangers newco starting in Division Three.

Regan had previously warned of a "slow, lingering death" for the game if Rangers were not admitted to Division One.

But SFL clubs voted overwhelmingly to reject that option.

"This challenge requires the collective effort not just of the Scottish FA but the respective league organisations and all member clubs," said Regan.

The SPL and SFA were hopeful Rangers would be parachuted into Division One and a package of reform proposals was released on behalf of the three governing bodies two days before to the SFL's ballot.
Rangers crisis explained

Rangers went into administration owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors and will eventually be liquidated
As a result its registrations with the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League were terminated
Charles Green led a consortium which bought Rangers' assets for £5.5m
The former Sheffield United chief executive is reforming Rangers as a new company
But the 'newco' did not get the required votes for re-admittance to the SPL
Instead, the new Rangers will start life in Division Three

An enlarged top tier was on the agenda, along with the introduction of SPL play-offs, streamlining governance and a change in the distribution of monies.

However, SFL clubs were not swayed by the argument that these changes could be best implemented with Rangers in the second tier.

Twenty-nine of the 30 clubs accepted Rangers as an associate member of the SFL, while 25 clubs voted in favour of placing the newco team into the bottom league.

In a statement released by the SFA, Regan said: "In light of today's decision by the members of the Scottish Football League, the Scottish FA is committed to leading the challenge to reinvigorate the national game.

"Today is a watershed for Scottish football. There will, undoubtedly, be financial consequences on the horizon.

"Nonetheless, with togetherness, an open mind, and innovative thinking, there can also be opportunity: opportunity to restructure the game and promote competitiveness, to place greater emphasis on development of young Scottish talent and to support the financial sustainability of clubs through the Financial Fair Play model.

"The SFA has offered guidance and support to the respective league bodies during this process.

"The SPL and SFL enter a crucial phase ahead of the new season and they must reach agreement on the practical issues that require to be addressed within their jurisdictions.

"Ultimately, there must be an outcome that enables Scottish football to move on with consensus, clarity and confidence into a new era for the national game."

[Pete]

Now that the sevco issue has been settled surely now It's time for the proposals doncaster and regan laid out to be examined and implemented. One governing body, league reconstruction and fairer wealth distribution were on the table a few days ago so surely with the game now in "meltdown" the need for change has increased?

... Surely what's needed for the "good of the game" hasn't changed dramatically in the space of a few hours?

I hope this is what the SFL clubs now concentrate on and maybe its time for Longmuir to get a bit of revenge for having all this dumped at his door.

[down-the-slope]

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I dont think even the SFA could have been so naive as to ignore the voting.....

[seanshow]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18838183

The Scottish Football League has voted Rangers into Division Three for the start of next season.

But talks will take place next week to resolve outstanding issues such as prior penalties imposed by the SFA.

The SFA had issued Rangers with a transfer embargo and a £100,000 fine for "bringing the game into disrepute".

I dont' want to kick a man when he's down but I'm sure the fine was £160K lol

[stokesmessiah]

Sorry if already posted...

brian mclauchlin @BBCBMcLauchlin

Charles Green told meeting during q"n"a he was informed by SFA that membership of association would be granted only if vote was for div1