Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[calmac12000]

There are two distinct issues 1) Rangers to a new division and 2) Re-organisation. There's absolutely no credible way that a magic wand and be waved and that Scottish football's various ills are going to be remedied before the start of next season.
Ipso facto, the only realistic solution is for the NewCo to be put in Division Three and a serious review with a deadline of end of next season to produce proposals for reorganisation.
BTW Taynor is a total fud!

[CropleyWasGod]

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she was reading from an email from SFL to their clubs.

Wish he'd make up his mind. He told The Telegraph something completely different yesterday.

This latest version makes more sense. However, it doesn't seem to allow for another club applying for the vacancy.

[Brando7]

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Thought David Murray put the 50 million in from MIH cos they never took up the shares.

FFS their fighting fund raised about 80k. Skitters

you you are right there was only 1,263 new shareholders last time raising a big huge £307,530.

[Hibees07]

If we a determined to send Rangers to the 3rd Division then pressure needs to be put on the SFL teams, should we threaten a supporter boycott of Scottish Cup & League Cup ties against these teams?.

[lapsedhibee]

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BTW Taynor is a total fud!

'Rangers have been punished. Now it's time to compromise.'

[lapsedhibee]

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If we a determined to send Rangers to the 3rd Division then pressure needs to be put on the SFL teams, should we threaten a supporter boycott of Scottish Cup & League Cup ties against these teams?.

Nah. It'd be more direct just to threaten the chairmen and their families.

[steakbake]

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Nah. It'd be more direct just to threaten the chairmen and their families.

The Rangers way?

[LeighLoyal]

Had to turn off Robbo and Jabba, never heard such utter sh ite in my life. Jabba using banks being bailed out as an analogy to help out the criminal hun cheats. The irony that he missed was Bank of Scotland funded all of Rangers nine in a row and 00's excesses, including the underwriting of the Murray share issue to the tune of £50m... Oh wait!! That money came from an MIM account. An MIM account that they filled with £50m on an IOU to Sir Moonbeams. As for Robbo, 'we can rescue Scottish football from the 'flames' by being nice to Sevco.' The only flames I see are around Newco Huns 2012, Robbo! They made their criminal bed and if it's on fire I wouldn't stop to piss on it. Pair of utter self preserving meedja cretins.

[alexedwards]

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Jane Lewis has just outlined the SFL proposals on Sportsound

vote 1 - Allow Nehuns into the SFL

vote 2 - Newhuns in the SFL3 UNLESS the SFL board agree the SPL 'sanctions' offer

That'll be SFL 1 then!!!

This proposed item 2.
2. Members will direct SFL board to play sevco to 3rd division unless SFL can succesfully negotiate sufficient measures allowing them to authorise to play sevco in 1st division.

Meaning the proposed items are so loaded that you can't actually vote for Rangers to go into Div 3 at all - It's Div 1 or not at all.

The cheatin continues - 95% of fans can stick their views up their ass according to Longmuir/Regan/Doncaster.
Longmuir constructed this with the other 2 and is as suspect as they are now.

[marinello59]

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we can always agree on something

one of these days I may even agree with M59 on something

[VickMackie]

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La Liga is probably the only other league that has been totally dominated by just 2 clubs. Last season , for example, the gap between 2nd and 3rd was 30 points and some of the smaller clubs could not even get a shirt sponsor. So I was just wondering what would happen if (however unlikely) either Barca or Real Madrid were to end up in a similar position to Rangers? Would they have to start all over again or would the Spanish football authorities be like ours and fall over themselves trying to save them?

They'd do the exact same as they've done here. You can't have either of those clubs missing from the world game. A couple of the biggest clubs for 70 years.

The OF are pissants in comparison.

They should still have to go through the leagues in the end I think.

[CropleyWasGod]

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This proposed item 2.
2. Members will direct SFL board to play sevco to 3rd division unless SFL can succesfully negotiate sufficient measures allowing them to authorise to play sevco in 1st division.

Meaning the proposed items are so loaded that you can't actually vote for Rangers to go into Div 3 at all - It's Div 1 or not at all.

The cheatin continues - 95% of fans can stick their views up their ass according to Longmuir/Regan/Doncaster.
Longmuir constructed this with the other 2 and is as suspect as they are now.

Not how I read it. They can vote against Item 2. Ergo they are in D3.

[VickMackie]

They should just tell SFL they want division 3, in writing, and start preparing for the season ahead.

Whilst it would be funny if they died they should start over in division 3.

[Keith_M]

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This proposed item 2.
2. Members will direct SFL board to play sevco to 3rd division unless SFL can succesfully negotiate sufficient measures allowing them to authorise to play sevco in 1st division.

Meaning the proposed items are so loaded that you can't actually vote for Rangers to go into Div 3 at all - It's Div 1 or not at all.

The cheatin continues - 95% of fans can stick their views up their ass according to Longmuir/Regan/Doncaster.
Longmuir constructed this with the other 2 and is as suspect as they are now.

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Not how I read it. They can vote against Item 2. Ergo they are in D3.

CWG, I'd have to disagree.

It appears that the vote is:

1) Put Rangers directly into SFL1

OR

2) Move responsibility back to SFL Board who will then attempt to make a deal with Rangers whereby they get enough 'concessions' and still put them into SFL 1 or don't get enough concessions and put them in SFL3 instead. Thereby making the final decision that of the SFL board.


There is nothing in the options of votes supplied whereby the decision of the clubs is to put NewHun straight into SFL3.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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They should just tell SFL they want division 3, in writing, and start preparing for the season ahead.

Whilst it would be funny if they died they should start over in division 3.

It's like a game of Jet Set Willie with the cheat giving unlimited lives. you keep on dying in the temple of hades but resurrecting. So rangers could in theory keep on dying from outrageous deeds and return To first/third division.

Sorry for the antique game ref kids showIng my age :) you can probably get it online on some retro site tho'.

[Brando7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18754479

Now is the time to bombard Regan with emails n letters warning him is action might save newco but at what cost...his own job????

If he goes against the fans and SFL clubs and put them to Div 1 I hope he is prepared for the proper armageddon and death of scottish football caused by himself

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Now is the time to bombard Regan with emails n letters warning him is action might save newco but at what cost...his own job????

If he goes against the fans and SFL clubs and put them to Div 1 I hope he is prepared for the proper armageddon and death of scottish football caused by himself

Pointless Brando....

Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir, have made us all realise that only Celtic and Rangers matter in the game in Scotland, and us mere mortals, can GTF as far as Scottish Football is concerned.....

[greenginger]

The concessions the SFL want to accept Sevco F C into their top league will have to be agreed and voted on by the SPL Clubs.This has to be another 14 days notice to the Clubs before voting, making a decision day of 27 th July.

When does the SFL season start ?

[CropleyWasGod]

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CWG, I'd have to disagree.

It appears that the vote is:

1) Put Rangers directly into SFL1

OR

2) Move responsibility back to SFL Board who will then attempt to make a deal with Rangers whereby they get enough 'concessions' and still put them into SFL 1 or don't get enough concessions and put them in SFL3 instead. Thereby making the final decision that of the SFL board.


There is nothing in the options of votes supplied whereby the decision of the clubs is to put NewHun straight into SFL3.

Not my reading at all. A Yes vote allows the Board to negotiate to put them in D1, failing which they are in D3.

My question is.... what effect does a No vote have?

[Keith_M]

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Not my reading at all. A Yes vote allows the Board to negotiate to put them in D1, failing which they are in D3.

My question is.... what effect does a No vote have?

Just to clarify, it's not an either/or vote?

Sorry, that was how it was reported by another poster. What you're saying is that the clubs can vote no to both options?

[alexedwards]

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CWG, I'd have to disagree.

It appears that the vote is:

1) Put Rangers directly into SFL1

OR

2) Move responsibility back to SFL Board who will then attempt to make a deal with Rangers whereby they get enough 'concessions' and still put them into SFL 1 or don't get enough concessions and put them in SFL3 instead. Thereby making the final decision that of the SFL board.


There is nothing in the options of votes supplied whereby the decision of the clubs is to put NewHun straight into SFL3.

That is correct it puts the option to the SFL Board negotiating "successful" terms with the SPL - removing repsonsibility from the SFL members.
The wording is also heavily loaded in favour of the second part of item 2 with words succesfully, sufficient, allow, negotiate suggesting this option would be the SUCCESS if it panned out.
Already spoke with Div 2 club director and he said "we're disturbed, but on it but this is going to be where the clash takes place" - the tanks are rolling up on this one - it boils down to a disgraceful, cobbled together piece of nonsense like that - idiots.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Just to clarify, it's not an either/or vote?

Sorry, that was how it was reported by another poster. What you're saying is that the clubs can vote no to both options?

Presumably.

It will be "the proposal is...... Now, are you in favour or not?"

Still loaded, I agree, but if the clubs feel sufficiently that they are being railroaded, that could backfire.

[Caversham Green]

I'm with CWG on these votes.

Vote 1 is to admit Sevco into the SFL - yes or no, and if it's no then vote 2 doesn't happen.

Vote 2 is either straight into Div 3 or Div 1 with 'negotiated measures'.

I would assume the 'negotiated measures' are payments/structure concessions from SPL/SFA and if the negotiations are not successful they automatically start in Div 3.

[alexedwards]

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I'm with CWG on these votes.

Vote 1 is to admit Sevco into the SFL - yes or no, and if it's no then vote 2 doesn't happen.

Vote 2 is either straight into Div 3 or Div 1 with 'negotiated measures'.

I would assume the 'negotiated measures' are payments/structure concessions from SPL/SFA and if the negotiations are not successful they automatically start in Div 3.

Ok. Let's reverse the statement ; -
2. unless SFL can succesfully negotiate sufficient measures allowing them to authorise to play sevco in 1st division Members will direct SFL board to play sevco to 3rd division.

How does it read now?
Only asking for opinion as not yet convinced myself but it looks like sevco can only play in 3rd if the SFL Board don't successfully negotiate sufficient measures.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Ok. Let's reverse the statement ; -
2. unless SFL can succesfully negotiate sufficient measures allowing them to authorise to play sevco in 1st division Members will direct SFL board to play sevco to 3rd division.

How does it read now?
Only asking for opinion as not yet convinced myself but it looks like sevco can only play in 3rd if the SFL Board don't successfully negotiate sufficient measures.

Think you're missing the point. They can vote No to the proposal. In which case, they are definitely in D3.

[Waxy]

The fans should act now.
Every fan of every SPL club.
Scottish football is dead if they get put in div1.

We should let our clubs know we wont watch another SPL match if this new club go into div1 from nowhere.

What we want is to resign from the SPL and start our own league association where sporting integrity is NEVER compromised.

Why stay in a league corrupted to the level that Rangers have corrupted this one.

It's really ridiculous what is happening here.

[alexedwards]

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Think you're missing the point. They can vote No to the proposal. In which case, they are definitely in D3.

If they vote no to item 1 sevco will not be permitted into the SFL at all.

If they vote yes to item 1 then they vote on item 2.

If they vote no to item 2 they will have to come up with a new proposal for item 2.

If they vote yes to item 2 they allow the SFL Board to negotiate terms with SPL and that would be ongoing - it's the leaving open of this most
crucial question that opens up room for them to slip in the back door.

There is no straight yes or no to Div 1 or Div 3 in item 2 - it is simply not an option the way that question is worded - it's not that simple.

[Heraghty's]

So who decides if the concessions are sufficient?
An SFL board led by Jim "Rangers Fans Fighting Fund badge wearer" Ballantyne.
This is disgusting. Hutton at Raith is correct, Scottish football is corrupt. Utterly corrupt.

[CropleyWasGod]

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If they vote no to item 1 sevco will not be permitted into the SFL at all.

If they vote yes to item 1 then they vote on item 2.

If they vote no to item 2 they will have to come up with a new proposal for item 2.

If they vote yes to item 2 they allow the SFL Board to negotiate terms with SPL and that would be ongoing - it's the leaving open of this most
crucial question that opens up room for them to slip in the back door.

There is no straight yes or no to Div 1 or Div 3 in item 2 - it is simply not an option the way that question is worded - it's not that simple.

I agree that the second item is loaded. However, if they vote Yes in item 1, they are in the SFL. If they vote No in item 2, they are not in D1. By implication, since the SFL rules don't have any other option, they are in D3.

You can bet, though, that those clubs who feel they have been railroaded will be all over this.

One other thing .... what happens if another club wishes to apply for the vacancy?

[grunt]

Thanks to Alex Thomson

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...gers-vote/2201

A senior Football League source has just leaked this to me. Note second section which appears to be a clear attempt to by-pass any vote and shoehorn Rangers Newco into Div 1. Incredible.
You have been warned:

Subject: SFL Special General Meeting – Friday, 13th July, 2012

Dear Sir or Madam,

NOTICE OF SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING – SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE
Notice is hereby given that a Special General Meeting of The Scottish Football League will be held within the Bell/Baird Suite on the fifth floor of Hampden Park, Glasgow on Friday, 13th July, 2012 at 11.00 a.m. for the purpose of considering and, if thought fit, approving the following proposals:-

(i) That the Scottish Football League Members agree to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an Associate Member and agrees to permit Rangers F.C. to play in the League during Season 2012/13.

(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

(iii) That the Scottish Football League Members in terms of Rule 12 approve the resignation of either Dundee F.C. or Dunfermline Athletic F.C., whichever shall be admitted to join the Scottish Premier League for Season 2012/13, such resignation to take effect as at the date of admission of such club to the Scottish Premier League, notwithstanding that the requisite notice under Rule 12 shall not have been given.Details of the series of measures referred to at (ii) above shall be made available to the Members in advance of the meeting and an opportunity for full discussion of those measures will be given prior to the proposals being put to the meeting.

In accordance with the terms of SFL Rule 53, your club must send one representative to this meeting and I would be most grateful if you could advise me of the name of your representative by return.

A buffet lunch will be served at the conclusion of the meeting.

Kind regards,
David A. Longmuir
Chief Executive, SFL