Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[blackpoolhibs]

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Thats what is totally p!ssing me off. Im not that fussed if Rangers are punished, remember the only punishment so far has been the 10 point deduction (which made no difference whatsoever)

All I ask for is that the rules that are in place are followed and Servco 5088 apply to join the SFL 3. If they do get in then I dont have a problem with that.

As I have said before. STICK TO THE F***ING RULES.

Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore?

[SaudiHibby]

The clubs clearly feel that the fans are uttering empty threats. Time will tell I guess.

[alexedwards]

Heard from reliable source that certain clubs in 1st Division are being offered SPL2 carrots and may take carrot to benefit club if SFL vote no - is there any sporting integrity left anywhere? - we already knew there was little integrity in the SPL but thought the SFL was our only hope however, it looks like Doncaster/Regan are bringing their corruption to a small town near you any time soon - they will corrupt all to save one club.
There would be appear to be only one choice for your average supporter - either leave completely or if you need a football fix follow a non-corrupt SFL club - identities as yet to be confirmed.
Could anyone watch as Newco ran out at Easter Road knowing it's all stitched up and possibly the Hibs CM is ok with this? What would the point be? - going along to watch our team take part in a freak show - if the league your team play in is dead - your team is dead.

[Hibercelona]

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Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore?

Other than our own self dignity, no point at all BPH.

Although, i'm sure after it happens a second time with those cheating tossers, the rules will be quickly amended to ensure that all clubs are treated "fairly" from then on.

[Gatecrasher]

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The clubs clearly feel that the fans are uttering empty threats. Time will tell I guess.

I'd that's the case then they should be worried, thousands of fans deserted Scottish football before this mess if they think crowds won't go down after this they are sadly mistaken.

[PeeKay]

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Then again, who gives a toss anymore?

This is a feeling that I think is spreading and it will damage the game in Scotland no matter what the outcome today.

[1875 NO 1]

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Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore?

SFA are biggest culprit. Livvy, Dundee, Airdrie, Clydebank - plenty examples of teams who went bust or administration.

Rules should have been put in place years ago. Which would have made this Hun issue a non issue. Also, letting this nonsense of diff governing bodies exsist.

[mayo hibee]

The people I feel sorry for are the fans for whom their emotional attachment to hibs, or other non old firm SPL clubs, is too great to walk away. A third of voters in the poll on this thread have said they are willing to be royally rogered by Regan, Donkey and their own clubs and will still spend their hard earned cash on this crap.

Many of us can and will walk away. I have other things for doing on a Saturday than supporting this sham league, if it's SPL or SFL1 I won't spend another penny on the Scottish game. But some will still be taken in and will continue to throw good money after bad.

They are relying on, and taking advantage of, your loyalty. Without you they have nothing. If this sham happens it is time to pull the plug.

[AL-Qaholik]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

[greenginger]

I'm afraid I'm a bit lost now. If Sevco are applying for the dead Huns SPL share to be transferred to them and that decision is not made today, I can't see how they would or should make an application to join the SFL at whatever level, until it is decided that they are not in the SPL.

How can the SFL clubs be expected to decide where Sevco should play in their set-up before it is decided that they won't be in the SPL.

If the SPL don't vote today the SFL should cancel their meeting planned for next week.

Then Doncaster should be Canceled permanently.

[InchHibby]

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Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore?

It wont ever happen again like this, the next team will definately be tossed out and told to reapply at the bottom and you will most likely
have to wait your turn for re-entry.
We are, as all are aware, only getting offered concessions now because one of the so called big two have been caught out big time.
Rules for one but not for all.

[Col2]

What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

[Lungo--Drom]

From FollowFollow, 75% of Rangers fans polled said they preferred the club to enter SFL3. So taking this as part of the overall picture it is clear that Dungcaster is only interested in keeping the Huns in the SPL to ensure himself and his fellow board members continue to earn big money. Green at least had the decency to admit on TV that he was in it to earn money as a businessman. It seems that the majority of fans, both in the SPL and the SFL want sporting integrity to come before corrupt cash but those behind the scenes of the SPL and possibly some of the clubs care about the money first. This surely confirms that Scottish football's organisational structure is corrupt and rotten to the core?

Season ticket-holders poll result - 75% prefer
Division 3 option By Grandmaster Suck
Updated Tuesday, 3rd July 2012
Statement issued 03/07/2012

OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the
club's future would rather they played in SFL
Division Three next season than accept a
compromise deal for a place in the SPL.

In a survey conducted by the Rangers Fans'
Fighting Fund from the email database of the
club's season ticket holders, the Rangers fans
were asked three questions: (1) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season - with sanctions? 3% (2) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season if there are no sanctions? Just
over 20% or (3) Should Rangers drop into and play from
SFL Division Three next season? Just Under 76% "Every other club and their fan base seems to
have had an opinion of what should happen to
Rangers," said a spokesperson for the RFFF. "That's why we wanted Rangers fans to voice
their opinion - and they have done so. We said
we would publish the findings - and that's what
we are doing. It shows the depth of feeling
among our fans who have shown that they
don't want any favours from the rest of the clubs - or any preferential treatment. What
these Rangers fans are saying is:- If that is what
is to happen to us, then let it happen and let us
move on. We will support Rangers - no matter
where they are playing."

[Brando7]

Doncaster is forgetting the power of voice the fans have as it already been shown in recent weeks, we should all petition for his sacking over this whole saga

[Golden Bear]

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What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

And ultimately would the Division 3 Clubs have any say on whether or not THEY would want the Ibrokes brethern in their midst?

[ac1]

This is disgusting - even if they did the right thing now and put Sevco in div3 it would leave a bad taste in the mouth.

Followed Hibs all my life but I am on the verge of quitting Scottish football completely.

Very sad it has come to this but the corruption going on here is sickening.

[Spike Mandela]

If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

Delay today is as good as admitting Rangers will be in the SPL, clearly they are waiting to see if the SFL put them in div 1 or not. If the SFL don't do that the SPL will clearly do an about turn and put them in SPL1 or 2.

These chairmen will be proven to be brazen in issuing their "no to newco " declarations whilst all the time plotting for a div 1 return.

These jokers have to vote today or forever be considered weak, untrustworthy and probably lose vast swathes of their support.

[goosefat]

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What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

Stop calling me Shirley...

[Hibercelona]

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If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

They shouldn't even get instant access into DIV3 though.

Even that would be unfair and against the rules.

[InchHibby]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

Doncaster's right, its the other 41 clubs who are causing the problems here, Rangers should be allowed back into
the top flight as being shafted is all we know and we should all be chipping in to pay of their debt in order for them to keep
their History intact, after all they have kept us afloat all these years.

[blackpoolhibs]

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If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

I agree with that, nobody can blame Rangers for fighting for their lives, they want to play at the top table, or as near to that as possible.

Its the people in charge or the game who have muddied the water, with changing and bending of the rules, that are already in place for this exact scenario.

As i said earlier, who gives a toss anyway now?

[Thecat23]

That's it for me, enough is enough. If this gets a delay I'm heading to ER to hand back my season ticket. I no longer want to be part of anything these so called football men have to say or do, including Petrie.

R.I.P Scottish Football.

Ps, all at the SFA/SPL go **** yourself.

[tamig]

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From FollowFollow, 75% of Rangers fans polled said they preferred the club to enter SFL3. So taking this as part of the overall picture it is clear that Dungcaster is only interested in keeping the Huns in the SPL to ensure himself and his fellow board members continue to earn big money. Green at least had the decency to admit on TV that he was in it to earn money as a businessman. It seems that the majority of fans, both in the SPL and the SFL want sporting integrity to come before corrupt cash but those behind the scenes of the SPL and possibly some of the clubs care about the money first. This surely confirms that Scottish football's organisational structure is corrupt and rotten to the core?

Season ticket-holders poll result - 75% prefer
Division 3 option By Grandmaster Suck
Updated Tuesday, 3rd July 2012 Rangers RSS Feed http://rangersfansfightingfund.com/ Statement issued 03/07/2012 OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the
club's future would rather they played in SFL
Division Three next season than accept a
compromise deal for a place in the SPL. In a survey conducted by the Rangers Fans'
Fighting Fund from the email database of the
club's season ticket holders, the Rangers fans
were asked three questions: (1) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season - with sanctions? 3% (2) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season if there are no sanctions? Just
over 20% or (3) Should Rangers drop into and play from
SFL Division Three next season? Just Under 76% "Every other club and their fan base seems to
have had an opinion of what should happen to
Rangers," said a spokesperson for the RFFF. "That's why we wanted Rangers fans to voice
their opinion - and they have done so. We said
we would publish the findings - and that's what
we are doing. It shows the depth of feeling
among our fans who have shown that they
don't want any favours from the rest of the clubs - or any preferential treatment. What
these Rangers fans are saying is:- If that is what
is to happen to us, then let it happen and let us
move on. We will support Rangers - no matter
where they are playing."

That's a pretty reasonable response from a hun fans spokesman. From these results, it would appear the bulk of their support are of the same opinion as fans of other clubs.
Doncaster is only interested in self preservation - that is abundantly clear. He's got a hard fight on his hands though.

[Lungo--Drom]

[silverhibee]

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At what point will UEFA or FIFA actually step in and start holding people accountable for this farce?

A delay in the vote today will cause bedlam within the ranks of the fans.

Was going to post the same about UEFA and FIFA,, maybe now that the Euro's have finished they may now have a wee look to see how things are shaping up in Scotland, time for them to step in and put an end to this circus.

Only in Scotland could this happen eh.

[Spike Mandela]

Comedy legend Eric Sykes died today. RIP. Even he couldn't write a joke as funny as this farce in Scottish football.

[Beefster]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

There's a danger that Doncaster becomes the 'boogeyman' of Scottish football because he's the one making the statements on behalf of the SPL and the club chairman get off scot-free. Make no mistake, if the suspected stitch-up happens, Rodders and the rest of the chairmen are just as culpable as Doncaster.

[GreenCastle]

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What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

Total madness if this happens - the SFL should just delay the vote next week also if this happens.

What time is this vote due to happen ?

[Steve-O]

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Doncaster is forgetting the power the voice of the fans have as it already been shown in recent weeks, we should all petition for his sacking over this whole saga

Someone needs to start one

[s.a.m]

I'm in the mood for change on a seismic scale, and I'll feel cheated if we end up with a cobbled-together version of the status-quo.

If 8 (The Sun, I think) clubs are on the brink of collapse without Rangers presence in the SPL, then so be it. And I would say that even if we're one of the '8'. It's not the job of the SPL / SFL / SFA to be manipulating the league to accommodate teams who refuse to manage their affairs sensibly. If they go bust, they should sort out their affairs, and start again at the bottom, allowing teams who have run their businesses honestly to take their places. It's not Doncaster's place to be favouring the feckless over clubs which have lived within their means.