Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[dchibs]

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James Matthews‏@SkyScotSky sources: SPL Chief exec Neil Doncaster's plan for #rangers 1st division re-entry "badly received" by SFL chairmen at meeting

Doncaster must go-SIMPLES

[Hibby-Nessie]

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The STV news Edinburgh is a joke.

And now for your local news. Camera pans to outside ibex with the latest developments on rangers.

STV North we get a wee bit about ICT or Ross County, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, the rest is OF. Have also noticed 9 times out of 10 they always show them scoring against Hibs

[green glory]

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Doncaster must go-SIMPLES

FACT! End of.

[Moulin Yarns]

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STV North we get a wee bit about ICT or Ross County, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, the rest is OF. Have also noticed 9 times out of 10 they always show them scoring against Hibs

You think that's bad, we Pitlochry residents also get the Aberdeen opt out so any Tayside story is missed as that's the Dundee opt out!!

[Baldy Foghorn]

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http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ers-situation/

Video of Raith Director saying the SFA / SPL the game is corrupt

He does not miss the powers that run our game, says it how it is....100% agree with him....

[bawheid]

My father used to work with Turnbull Hutton at Diageo. He's one of the good guys.

[ballengeich]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687492

Anyone else sickened by the timing of this apology?

Rangers' psychological ineptitude has been remarkable. If this type of apology had come as soon as Green took over and been accompanied by the "concessions" he's apparently now offering then Rangers would be looking at a yes from the SPL tomorrow. At least some of the players who've left would still be at Ibrox and he could have sold a few to keep the cash-flow moving.

All that was needed to keep the SPL chairmen onside was a statement that the club was sorry about the behaviour of the previous owner - not in keeping with the club's values blah blah - we accept the transfer ban punishment waffle waffle etc etc. I think the Court of Session appeal was what started turning everything against them.

I'll just throw in another small rules detail. The SFL requires a two year period of notice for a member to leave. The only documented exception to this is a club entering the SPL as 1st division champions. Neither Dunfermline nor Dundee meet this condition so they have to stay in the SFL next season unless compensation for breach of the notice period is paid.

[SurferRosa]

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Fixed that for you.

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Newco will go into Division 3 - but avoid transfer ban - have they not just signed two players over the last few days anyway

I think they can sign, or re-sign, players that are already there.

[alfie]

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I think they can sign, or re-sign, players that are already there.

RFC can re-sign any existing contracted players, Sevco are a new team and dont have any sanctions against them. Unless I'm very much mistaken?

[AllyT]

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RFC can re-sign any existing contracted players, Sevco are a new team and dont have any sanctions against them. Unless I'm very much mistaken?

Surely they need an SFA licence or something to be able to sign players? If so do they have one?

[alfie]

I assume that they can give a player a contract - like any other employee, but as they aren't a member of the SFA, they cant register any players with the SFA, or play in any matches under SFA jurisdiction (e.g. SFL). It's a quandary wrapped up in an enigma!

[John_the_angus_hibby]

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Rangers' psychological ineptitude has been remarkable. If this type of apology had come as soon as Green took over and been accompanied by the "concessions" he's apparently now offering then Rangers would be looking at a yes from the SPL tomorrow. At least some of the players who've left would still be at Ibrox and he could have sold a few to keep the cash-flow moving.

All that was needed to keep the SPL chairmen onside was a statement that the club was sorry about the behaviour of the previous owner - not in keeping with the club's values blah blah - we accept the transfer ban punishment waffle waffle etc etc. I think the Court of Session appeal was what started turning everything against them.

I'll just throw in another small rules detail. The SFL requires a two year period of notice for a member to leave. The only documented exception to this is a club entering the SPL as 1st division champions. Neither Dunfermline nor Dundee meet this condition so they have to stay in the SFL next season unless compensation for breach of the notice period is paid.

This has been a massive fail and one that will haunt them and the game. If this had been the public position and if they took leadership in demonstrating contrition with the argument of trying to achieve that and limiting the financial blow back on the league, then they may have mitigated a huge level of opinion forming against them. The demented fans take their lead from the numpties who run them.

But when you see the ex players, ex suckers at the teats (wedgia) and the sort of guys who are attracted to run them, such an early apology was impossible as it goes against everything they believe. Their RIGHT to lord over everyone else.

Damn them.

[lapsedhibee]

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I assume that they can give a player a contract - like any other employee, but as they aren't a member of the SFA, they cant register any players with the SFA, or play in any matches under SFA jurisdiction (e.g. SFL). It's a quandary wrapped up in an enigma!

What's Sandy Jardine's take on this? He's the razor-sharp analyst I'd always look to for clarity.

[alfie]

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What's Sandy Jardine's take on this? He's the razor-sharp analyst I'd always look to for clarity.

I know he would be the first person I would call if I had any questions about TUPE regulations or contract issues!

[Saorsa]

Excellent statement from Stranraer FC It's a pity the people at the top of our game have nae such integrity. The people at the top end just make speeches about it tae try and pull the wool over folks eyes tae get them tae part with their money but they have nae ****in' idea what it is. At least the shyster running Killie was honest if nothing else, he openly admitted that money and greed are more important than doing the right thing, as for the rest of them

[Dashing Bob S]

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This has been a massive fail and one that will haunt them and the game. If this had been the public position and if they took leadership in demonstrating contrition with the argument of trying to achieve that and limiting the financial blow back on the league, then they may have mitigated a huge level of opinion forming against them. The demented fans take their lead from the numpties who run them.

But when you see the ex players, ex suckers at the teats (wedgia) and the sort of guys who are attracted to run them, such an early apology was impossible as it goes against everything they believe. Their RIGHT to lord over everyone else.

Damn them.

Yes. They completely fell on the sword of their own arrogance and sense of entitlement. If they'd had the savvy to say this at the start, they probably would have stood a good chance. But the numpty tendency attached to the club made it completely impossible to issue such words (as patently insincere as they are) without being slapped down first.

I some ways its even more pathetic to such grovelling transparently opportunistic politicking. Much too little, far too late.

[Saorsa]

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http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ers-situation/

Video of Raith Director saying the SFA / SPL the game is corrupt

I'd like tae see anybody make a case against that.

[green glory]

16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168

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I wish to state, publicly if the Newco Rangers do not end up in SFL division 3 (or lower) my support will transfer to my local team.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielcrowe/History.html

The player profiles are worth a read

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielc...rentSquad.html

Jimmy Murray is 'local hero'

[SneakersO'Toole]

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16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168

Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.

[blackpoolhibs]

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16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168

That cant be right, surely it should be 28-2?

[yeezus.]

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Excellent statement from Stranraer FC It's a pity the people at the top of our game have nae such integrity. The people at the top end just make speeches about it tae try and pull the wool over folks eyes tae get them tae part with their money but they have nae ****in' idea what it is. At least the shyster running Killie was honest if nothing else, he openly admitted that money and greed are more important than doing the right thing, as for the rest of them

the wee toon has suffered enough at the hands of Rangers anyway. Great statement.

http://www.stranraerfc.org/index.php...club-statement

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.

Looks like the rules are being bent at least. The draft proposal on Friday talked about play-offs from SFL1 to the SPL, which would involve reconstruction. That definitely needs a 2/3 majority. If they've taken that out of the proposal to just make it a 50%+1 vote, then the proposal is a lot less attractive to First Division clubs.

[HFC 0-7]

Sky previously came out and said they wouldn't walk away from Scottish football, but they would want re negotiate the deal if rangers were not in the league. So it would seem that Doncaster and the rest of them are basing it on sky re negotiating the rights and buying them for nothing! Still concerned that Doncaster would accept that!

[yeezus.]

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Sky previously came out and said they wouldn't walk away from Scottish football, but they would want re negotiate the deal if rangers were not in the league. So it would seem that Doncaster and the rest of them are basing it on sky re negotiating the rights and buying them for nothing! Still concerned that Doncaster would accept that!

The scaremongering that Rangers fans are embarking on is unbelievable. I didn't realise that Sky would renegotiate..

[RyeSloan]

WTF has New Rangers got to do with Doncaster now anyway? He's in charge of the SPL...his league has lost a club, he should just focus on replacing them with the team that finished 2nd in the SFL1 and let the SFL sort out who replaces them.

He's totally overstepping his remit and you can bet every last pound you have that this is only because it's Rangers (although it's not Rangers cause they are deid, its Servco and the sooner people start understanding that the better!!)

Erse.

[Waxy]

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Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence
Up to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing

Yeah Regan.Six more clubs at risk of going into liquidation and getting away with it if sevco are voted into the SPL from nowhere.WHAT PLANET ARE THESE GUYS ON?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.

Just been all the way through their rules and NOWHERE does it have a 16/30 vote, it does refere to a 75% majority.

[s.a.m]

PFA SCOTLAND RESPONSE TO ALLEGATION PLAYERS ACTING IN BREACH OF CONTRACT

Jack Ross
3rd July 2012

PFA Scotland understands that Mr Charles Green has written to all clubs in the English Premier League and Championship alleging that our members who have exercised their legal right not to be employed by Sevco Scotland Ltd (newco), have acted in breach of contract. This is repeated and PFA Scotland will shortly be writing to all clubs outlining our Solicitor’s legal view on this matter and sharing with them legal guidance issued by the Scottish FA which we believe supports the Players’ position. Whilst it is accepted that newco is entitled to argue breach of contract, the Players Union is dismayed that attempts are being made to prevent our members from playing professional football simply because the have exercised their legal right not to transfer to newco.
PFA Scotland President and FIFPro Executive Member Tony Higgins said ” I haven’t spoken to a single Employment or Sports Solicitor who agrees with Mr Green’s interpretation of the law. Our members are being advised by our employment specialists, Brian Napier QC and Wil Van Megen, Head of Legal Department at FIFPro. We are supremely confident that under TUPE and European Law on basic principles of freedom of movement, our members are entitled to sign for new clubs.”
PFA Scotland’s Lawyer, Margaret Gribbon of Bridge Litigation who acts on behalf of the majority of the objectors said “It is newco who have in actual fact acted unlawfully by failing to inform and consult with Rangers players prior to the TUPE transfer. Newco has never employed the Players or held their registration, yet they believe they are entitled to prevent the Scottish FA from releasing the Players’ registrations to the new company. Newco is not a member of any footballing body in Scotland and it is unclear what league they will be playing in at the start of the season. It is simply not credible therefore for Mr Green to accuse the players of being motivated by financial gain. The Players’ reasons for leaving are purely professional and Mr Green would not have had a club to buy had it not been for their salary sacrifices. We do not consider that the newco’s allegation of breach of contract will stand up to scrutiny and so in the event of the Players’ registrations not being issued to a new club, we will look to FIFA and/or the Court of Session for a speedy remedy.”

[s.a.m]

brian mclauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlinSfl clubs will meet again next Thursday to decide if Rangers newco will be allowed into SFL. 50% vote required. More soon


Jings.
This will still be going on at Christmas.