Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[StevieC]

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How can we relegate something that does not exist?

By transferring their SPL share to Sevco on the 4th of July!

[Caversham Green]

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Isn't point 1 largely what may be getting looked at here - which to me makes them more goosed then getting back in Div3 as a newco with no penalties.

If what we're hearing is accurate, they will be considered a continuation but the punishment would be confined to relegation without a suspension - that doesn't seem enough to me and I reckon I'm being fairly moderate. It would also require the SPL chairmen going back on their word to block the transfer of the SPL share.

[Emerald]

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To transfer the SPL share to Newco.

They could still vote to transfer the share but then relegate Rangers to Division 1.

This would meet the club announcements of "No Newco in SPL".

The SFL clubs would have no say in this stitch-up because it isn't a Newco, it is a relegated "Rangers".

To prevent objections through the courts they would offer a £1m sweetener and an additional chance of promotion.

This "carve-up" might save the SKY deal .. until it transpires that Rangers dont win automatic promotion (although the additional play-off spots would be another chance for the hun to come up!).

The "carve-up" would mean Rangers had to pay their footballing debts .. thus keeping teams and FIFA off the SFA's case and out of their reserve funds.

The "carve-up" would appease all the hun apologists in the SFA hierarchy and the media.

If this comes to pass, it's a right kick in the baws for those supporters that have bought season tickets in the last week.

The last week and the past 20 years.

[green glory]

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Among the more obnoxious things that have come out of the BBC recently (Young, Traynor, Doddsy "Billy" Dodds) is the repeated phrase "Glasgow giants". I so want it to be true that Young's contract with the BBC is not being renewed, and hope fervently that Traynor and Dodds go the same way, but more than anything else I want to hear the disappearance of the phrase Glasgow giants when Nouveau Rongers are playing in front of 9,000 peepul in an echoey Ibrox. Slumbering minnows/dwarves/trolls/hobbits I won't mind quite so much.

The only Tolkienesque references I'll tolerate in relation to the Hun is orcs or maggot-folk. The dwarves and hobbits are proud distinguished peoples. Glad that's all sorted. 👌

[Jim44]

I've just read something about the transfer/signing embargo. I thought this no longer applied since it was thrown back as being illegal and not a proper stated sanction?

[PatHead]

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I've just read something about the transfer/signing embargo. I thought this no longer applied since it was thrown back as being illegal and not a proper stated sanction?

The embargo would have applied to Rangers before liquidation. As newco don't have a licence surely they can't sign anyone so an embargo of sorts will exist

[StevieC]

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If there is any truth in any of this, it needs 22 votes out of 29.
Step away from the valium, guys.

Unless the chairmen vote to transfer the SPL share to Newco and immediately relegate them .. as per their "No to Newco in the SPL" statements.

[JohnStephens91]

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By transferring their SPL share to Sevco on the 4th of July!

If that happens then the whole of Scottish football will be robbed of any integrity. It will be nothing short of a joke. It should be a no and then they should try and apply for the spot in the SFL like every other team who has been liquidated has had to do.

[Jim44]

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The embargo would have applied to Rangers before liquidation. As newco don't have a licence surely they can't sign anyone so an embargo of sorts will exist

If the stitch up is going ahead will they not be granted a licence as a matter of course? Will they not then be able to sign who they want? Maybe even get back some of their 'lost' players?

[green glory]

If the Oldhun SPL is to be relegated to allow these proposals to go ahead, it first needs to be transferred to the Newhun, which we now know isn't going to happen.

IMO it's just more obfuscation by every other club, another wary sidestep to allow enough time for Newhun to be stillborn.

Any discussion of Newhun's place in ANY league is solely dependant on their ability to even have a functioning club, which at this moment in time is looking impossible.

[Hibees07]

Disgusted if this is true especially if our Rod is a main player in the plan.

I have already purchased season tickets so I will continue to go but it will be my last season if this plan is implemented.

After the statement from the board stating that they were voting 'No' to the Newco this has come as a real bombshell, I hope Petrie is aware of the possible backlash.

[green glory]

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Disgusted if this is true especially if our Rod is a main player in the plan.

I have already purchased season tickets so I will continue to go but it will be my last season if this plan is implemented.

After the statement from the board stating that they were voting 'No' to the Newco this has come as a real bombshell, I hope Petrie is aware of the possible backlash.

The clubs aren't going to vote to transfer the share to Newhun now. Don't worry.

[PatHead]

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If the stitch up is going ahead will they not be granted a licence as a matter of course? Will they not then be able to sign who they want? Maybe even get back some of their 'lost' players?

I would think there is no reason that couldn't do that..........

[Caversham Green]

BTW, I see a lot of people saying the SFL vote would be 22 out of 29 - why isn't it 22 out of 30?

[Spike Mandela]

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BTW, I see a lot of people saying the SFL vote would be 22 out of 29 - why isn't it 22 out of 30?

Guessing that by time of vote Dundee will be an SPL club? Thus a vacancy.

[GordonHFC]

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BTW, I see a lot of people saying the SFL vote would be 22 out of 29 - why isn't it 22 out of 30?

Isnt it because another team would be promoted to the vacant SPL place before a place becomes available in the SFL ?

[Caversham Green]

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Guessing that by time of vote Dundee will be an SPL club? Thus a vacancy.

Ah, that kinda makes sense - thanks.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Unless the chairmen vote to transfer the SPL share to Newco and immediately relegate them .. as per their "No to Newco in the SPL" statements.

The problem with this is that "relegating" Rangers is part of an overall package that has to be voted on, which requires an 11-1 majority. So there must be a SPL vote of some description.

[Gatecrasher]

The shysters running Scottish football aren't seeing another penny from me until they can prove to me they arent a bunch of self preserving money grabbing con men taking us all for a ride, I'm seriously pissed off just now.

[Matty_Jack04]

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The shysters running Scottish football aren't seeing another penny from me until they can prove to me they arent a bunch of self preserving money grabbing con men taking us all for a ride, I'm seriously pissed off just now.

What he said

[Hibs On Tour]

Am I missing something here?
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Whatever happened to this SFA rule whereby to participate in the SPL you needed to be in possession of the Uefa Standard License? Given that oldco Rangers lost theirs and newco Rangers can't get one until they have 3 years trading accounts, ergo you'd assume no SPL for at least 3 years no? Their SPL share should then just get passed onto either Dunfemline or Dundee [**** knows how you argue that one out] and in the meantime newco Rangers have to apply to SFL for entry to Div3 [yes I hear the calls about even lower down the chain...]

For one, I've been scratching my heads as to why the rest of the SPL clubs were even being asked about allowing newco Rangers straight in as it would require a rule change by the SFA in that case? Unless its Doncasters way of trying to deflect flak from Rangers about it onto the other clubs? With regards them going straight into Div1, I've no idea whether theres a rule allowing this in the SFL or not but would suspect that clubs denied access to the SFL previously and those in Div2 and 3 will kick up **** [rightly] if that's the case.

Beginning to scratch my head at this as its getting more and more obviously crooked, particularly if they try to tack on the much needed and long overdue league rejigging as part of it but because it gets them back to the top table ahead of schedule. Reorganise it yes - put them at the bottom where the rules say they should go - everyone starts over.

Or was this rule about needing the Uefa License just a myth in the first place? Or if it wasn't have we just all given up on rules entirely? I for one will be livid with Hibs if they're part of rejigging with the pay-off being Rangers getting a leg-up. No need for any individual club to get any favourable treatment and certainly should have nothing to do with the rejig.

Heid is spinning with it all now...

GGTTH

[gbur123ukgb]

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The clubs aren't going to vote to transfer the share to Newhun now. Don't worry.

if hibs do in finished with spl and sfa for ever

[Just Alf]

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If the stitch up is going ahead will they not be granted a licence as a matter of course? Will they not then be able to sign who they want? Maybe even get back some of their 'lost' players?

Part of the "deal" seems to be that they've to accept all responsibility for Old RFC...... they specifically mentioned footy debts and (at the moment at least!) .... footy debt = transfer embargo

[Spike Mandela]

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Part of the "deal" seems to be that they've to accept all responsibility for Old RFC...... they specifically mentioned footy debts and (at the moment at least!) .... footy debt = transfer embargo

Not sure about that. Money to Hearts and Vienna maybe but nothing in statement about accepting oldco sanctions.

[Lungo--Drom]

In all seriousness Inchy that is probably one of the most sensible things I have ever heard. Let the two of them play each other week in week out and keep the whole 'queen's loyal british club' versus 'those troublesome green clad tarrier plastic paddy club' circus to itself. That way the rest of the teams in the SPL and SFL and below that can get on with the FOOTBALL :)

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...We would be better with a separate Division of both Celtic and Rangers and let them play each other 36 times a year.

[woodythehibee]

Aberdeen chairman Stewart Milne says ''Rangers should be treated like any other club applying to join the Scottish Football League.''

Spot on!

[Emerald]

If the authorities bend or change the rules, or do anything to help old Rangers or the Newco then it will be Scottish Football's disgrace. They MUST do the right thing now or its the end for the Scottish game. The vast majority of fans of all other clubs see this as the final straw if all we are doing is facilitating the old firm, giving them someone to play in order to win titles and play in Europe. We are the cannon fodder for these people and if its allowed to go on after this, the baw, as they say, is burst. Even most of the Rangers fans are asking to go to the 3rd division to try and start a clean slate (haha).

Just imangine the season after next listeneing to Gordon Smith slavering on about how good Rangers were when they beat us 4 nil at Ibrox. Some sporting intgrity that will be. Kill the beast.

[Andy74]

I'm coming round to the idea of keeping Rangers half alive as a first division plaything, with the promise of more punishments, not being able to sign players and probably further demotion.

To me it beats just allowing them back as a totally new club at the bottom, being able to sign who they want and escaping any further punishment on ongoing investigations.

[jgl07]

Radio 5 live reports that the SFL have denied any agreement has been reached about Rangers coming into Division One.

[Lungo--Drom]

My season ticket will be going in the post straight to the Board of Hibs. I am not prepared to spend a season sitting watching WWF football. Life is too short for that kind of fraud. I'll just find another sport to enjoy.

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Disgusted if this is true especially if our Rod is a main player in the plan.

I have already purchased season tickets so I will continue to go but it will be my last season if this plan is implemented.

After the statement from the board stating that they were voting 'No' to the Newco this has come as a real bombshell, I hope Petrie is aware of the possible backlash.