Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If the story in The Record is true, next season might just be the one that puts the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football as we know it.

[down-the-slope]

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Sally, just over three years ago What a wally


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...476643,00.html

...Sevco 5088...the remains of the club that was Too big for the SPL

[Caversham Green]

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But 'if'the parachuting of Rangers to Div 1 goes ahead, it will be because all the doormat chairmen of the SPL have accepted it. If they think that their supporters will lie back and accept their dodgy compromise they might be in for a shock. I would hope there would be a massive reaction from every club fanbase in the SPL which illustrates to their greedy chairmen that, if it's financial expediency which drives them, the income from their own support is every bit as or more important than the 30 pieces of silver they get from Sky and the hun supporters.

It's not the SPL chairmen who would be to blame here. All they are being asked to do is vote aye or naw to allowing this new club into the SPL and the indications are that enough of them will vote naw to block it. It's then up to the SFA and SFL what happens to the new club - if it gets into Div 1 it will be at the behest of those two bodies not the SPL.

On the other hand if the whole league set-up is changed purely to assist the new company to get to the top league as quickly as possible then your charge of doormats is justified.

[Greentinted]

Can anyone direct me to the recent semi-literate quote from a huffy hun containing the words 'yous, stab, back'? Ta
The search facility isnae playing and there's way too much thread merging going on here.

[lucky]

We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

[Leithenhibby]

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We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

And in ten years time do you think the their fans will look at their club as an old/ newco ...

Didn't think so!!

[Dave-O]

I'm actually embarrassed for the sfa/spl as they quite clearly don't have a ****ing clue how to bring this sorry episode to an end, the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football, were staggering about like a one legged man in a arse kicking competition and the powers that be are holding a secret meeting into the wee small hours to come up with that, it's pathetic.

Just disband the football associations in Scotland and move it through to the capital where they can run it without fear of these 2 cancerous clubs intimidating them.

[snooky]

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Absolutely spot on.

They must be made to languish in junior football as would have happened to Airdrie had they not bought over Clyde.

No justice if they go to 1st Div and then bounce back. That just gives every team in Scotland the justification to do as you say - spend beyond their means, not pay their taxes then give the good old Agincourt salute to the rest of the world!

If theire punishment is 1st Div - that in my opinion is worse than allowing them into the SPL straight off - it is pretending they've been punished but just covereing up their offences!

**** them!

Good point and a very valid one as well.
"Sham Justice R Us" - SFA

[grunt]

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... the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football...

Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

[down-the-slope]

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We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

Can you and others please stop posting this - as I have asked previously. They are NOT IN the SPL so cannot be kicked out of anything (it just plays to the other view to see them being kicked out / punished harshly etc)

The SPL Chairmen are being asked to vote on whether to allow a newly formed club to apply to go directly into the SPL...nothing more nothing less

[Jim44]

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I'm actually embarrassed for the sfa/spl as they quite clearly don't have a ****ing clue how to bring this sorry episode to an end, the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football, were staggering about like a one legged man in a arse kicking competition and the powers that be are holding a secret meeting into the wee small hours to come up with that, it's pathetic.

Just disband the football associations in Scotland and move it through to the capital where they can run it without fear of these 2 cancerous clubs intimidating them.

It's as if they're trying to cure a cancerous cyst with an elastoplast. The only chance of a cure is to cut it off. This will cause short term trauma to the body but, in the longer term, survival is possible.

[grunt]

Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/footba...rticle/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

[PeeJay]

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Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

Wee bit further afield - there has been very, very little coverage here in Germany - when it's all done and dusted is when I expect the next report in the media, but nothing before it - funny that - huge club with millions of fans worldwide and it means next to nothing here!

[SmithyHibee]

It's now on the Sky Sports app that Aluko has rejected the transfer of his contract to the Newco!

[Dave-O]

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Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

OK a slight exaggeration but if it wasn't for the Euro's being on I'm sure it would be, and once they get pumped the morra it will be, something to take their mind of it.

[Lungo--Drom]

About a month ago the head of the SFL said he would welcome an application by 'Rangers' (NewHunCo) to join the SFL. He said he would look favourably on any such application for admission into the Third Division. Maybe he needs reminding of that.

[Jim44]

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Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/footba...rticle/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.

[Lungo--Drom]

Smithy, soon as I read your post I thought of the following song...

Bronski Beat - Small Town Boy

You leave in the morning

With everything you own

In a little black case

Alone on a platform

The wind and the rain

On a sad and lonely face
Mother will never understand

Why you had to leave

But the answers you seek

Will never be found at home

The love that you need

Will never be found at home

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.


Pushed around and kicked around

Always a lonely boy
You were the one

That theyd talk about around town

As they put you down

And as hard as they would try

Theyd hurt to make you cry

But you never cried to them
Just to your soul

No you never cried to them

Just to your soul


Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.


Cry , boy, cry...

You leave in the morning

With everything you own

In a little black case

Alone on a platform
The wind and the rain

On a sad and lonely face


Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

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It's now on the Sky Sports app that Aluko has rejected the transfer of his contract to the Newco!

[Lungo--Drom]

Jim, not necessarily so. They can leave if they and their agents/lawyers are fully sure of the law on this matter. Then it is up to Green to take them to court and try and prove to a judge his alternative version of reality. As a former trade union rep. I believe Green is in the wrong and the players are in the right.

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So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.

[Sergey]

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Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

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OK a slight exaggeration but if it wasn't for the Euro's being on I'm sure it would be, and once they get pumped the morra it will be, something to take their mind of it.

It wouldn't, for the simple fact that Scottish football doesn't sell English newspapers. Ask yourself how much coverage English League 2 and/or Conference football gets in the Scottish press. It's a similar scenario.

FWIW - The Times ran with a DPS in their sports section this week looking at RFC and how HMRC are clamping down on clubs evasion of tax. It was [allegedly] penned by Gabriale Marcotti and it was a complete waste of column inches. It was no more than a cut and paste from stories that have appeared in the Scottish media.

[jgl07]

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About a month ago the head of the SFL said he would welcome an application by 'Rangers' (NewHunCo) to join the SFL. He said he would look favourably on any such application for admission into the Third Division. Maybe he needs reminding of that.

I do not see that entry to SFL1 is a real possibility.

It requires a majority of two thirds of all SFL clubs to suspend the rules. To restructure requires a years' notice and a 75% majority.

I can't see the SFL1 clubs being too keen on this as it would eliminate the chance of any of them being promoted. It also increases the relegationprospects for the bottom teams because Rangers will be included at the expense of Aidrie United.

Admitting Rangers to SFL1 will also deny promotion to Airdrie United and Stranraer.

The SFL3 clubs will obviously have a preference for Rangers to come into SF3 rather than SFL1.

If Rangers are not careful they will be playing nowhere next season.

[jgl07]

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So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.

It is all bluster from Green. The players (or rather the best of them) will walk and Green will do nothing. As soon as he takes legal advice they will tell him to forget it.

[green glory]

McMoist trying to whip the maggot-folk into a frenzy again. Irresponsible ****.

https://twitter.com/bbcsportsound/st...06148323475456

[Offside Trap]

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So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.

Green is correct. The contracts will have transferred under TUPE. Players have to object to the TUPE transfer before the TUPE transfer happens, i.e. before the day Green bought the assets for £5.5m.

Wishart is also correct. Under TUPE regs, consultation (at least 90 days) must take place with "in-scope" employees prior to the TUPE transfer. Very doubtful that happened here. If due consultation does not take place, then an employment tribunal will find in favour of the employee.

Both parties are therefore correct - just Wishart more so than Green.

[VickMackie]

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I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

Is that last part about bouncey true?!

**** sake.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/footba...rticle/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

There he goes again, looking for honesty and transparency, its funny how he only wants it for some things, but not anything to do with telling the truth or trivial things like EBT's


NO SURRENDER

[Leithenhibby]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist



Oh really! This will be fun to watch unfolding ....

[matty_f]

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Is that last part about bouncey true?!

**** sake.

I think it depends on who you ask

[Offside Trap]

[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3272592]There he goes again, looking for honesty and transparency, its funny how he only wants it for some things, but not anything to do with telling the truth or trivial things like EBT's



They just keep digging deeper don't they? Having already alienated pretty much everyone and everything else thus far with their lack of remorse and "it wisnae us" attitude, they are now issuing comms which are sure to get them offside with their own players. Bonkers but hilarious. Bye bye huns.

[Offside Trap]

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"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist



Oh really! This will be fun to watch unfolding ....

Would love to know who their Employment Lawyers are....