Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Makaveli]

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

[CropleyWasGod]

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and there's a story that rangers have financial problems and might be going into administration. you heard (read) it here first....

Source?????

[bighairyfaeleith]

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Source?????

Hibs.net

[Seveno]

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I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Literature for the bit, Bob. Wonderful stuff.

[WindyMiller]

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Where is the sycophantic article you quoted from Windy Miller?

Glasgow Herald.

[Just Alf]

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

[WindyMiller]

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It's actually one of the more sensible or balanced outpourings to be fair. The author is probably correct in that if they are restarted in some format at one point in the future in some league the supporters will see a continuum with the past. Which in their case also means sectarian bile. The Ibrox disaster example is used for dramatic effect and it is their memory to use in the same way that any disaster/meaningful event is ours to use. It's not risible but just possibly tasteless. And also they will never admit as a support that it is their actions and blind support of SDM and his management of them as a club that is the destroyer of all that history. They have destroyed their club.

See above post.

[Waxy]

Rangers smoothie.take 45,000 bitter oranges, sour grapes,and liquidate

[MyJo]

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Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

: that's stupendous!!!!

[Peevemor]

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Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

Good spot.

[joe breezy]

Alex Thomson from Channel 4 news wants opinions for his blog


Calling all fans of SPL clubs 1-11 inclusive. What should your Chairmen do on Wed July 4th at 10 am?...


Tweet or email [email protected] and I'll blog 'em up!

[Seveno]

According to the Herald this morning, there are doubts as to whether Green has enough working capital to last through June and to 27th June payday. They say that he has not spoken to a single player or been in contact with the SPFA.

Anyone know a good Administrator ?

[ScottB]

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From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

[blackpoolhibs]

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From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

[Judas Iscariot]

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I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

I think the pink perverts will have sold more than us...

[Gus Fring]

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

[lapsedhibee]

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From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4.

[EuanH78]

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This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

[Just Alf]

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Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

Hmmmm, for me a business decision = a big fat NO!

I can't see any team making more money from 2 to 4 visits from Sevco fans (especially as they're stating ALL SPL grounds are being boycotted next season) compared to the losses they'd have from a yes vote when they'll lose Celtic, us and the rest of SPL teams who won't be visiting and I think every single team's own fans are also going to stay away....... So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

[Kato]

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So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

It certainly is.

I hope Mr Green is given the chance to understand that very point.

[Offside Trap]

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Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

He has got to be kidding right? £100m+ of unpaid debts and he is preaching to others about doing the right thing financially? Disgusting.

[PatHead]

On BBC today

Rangers: Talks planned to discuss players' futures


Manager Ally McCoist and chief executive Charles Green will meet with members of the Rangers playing squad next week to discuss their futures.
Green's consortium moved the club's assets to a new firm and it believes player contracts can also be switched.
But legal and union opinion suggests players have the right not to be contracted to the new company.
Green said: "Alistair and I will be sitting down with them and explaining where we are."
Continue reading the main story

“As far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred”

Charles Green Rangers chief executive

The squad are contracted to Rangers Football Club plc, which is soon to be liquidated, and Green wants the deals to be moved across to his new company, which now has ownership of Ibrox Stadium and the Murray Park training ground.
The "newco" route was taken by Green's group after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal was not approved.
Players agreed wage cuts in March as the club, which entered administration the month before, reduced costs to fulfil their remaining fixtures for the 2011-12 season.
In return for reduced terms, some players had release clauses added to their contracts that allow them to leave if a set fee is offered.
A number of contracts, including those of defender Sasa Papac and forward Sone Aluko, end this summer, and the former has stated he will be moving on.
Players are due to start reporting back to Murray Park for fitness training on 28 June.
"From the moment HMRC announced they wouldn't support the CVA, we contacted the staff and had a meeting with them and the administrator made them aware," added Green.
"We as a newco started having discussions and, as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under Tupe [regulations].
"Of course, the difficulty is some of the players haven't been around and the likes of [Carlos] Bocanegra have been away on international duty with the USA team.
"They've also been having holidays and taking their families away, so it has been more difficult with the playing staff than the non-playing staff.
"We've been speaking to the PFA [union] though and to individual agents." END

Rangers players out of contract

• Grant Adam
• Sone Aluko
• Kyle Bartley, end of loan from Arsenal
• Gordon Dick
• Scott Gallacher
• David Healy
• Chris Hegarty
• Salim Kerkar
• Andrew Little
• Sasa Papac
• Andrew Mitchell
  
  I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?

[blackpoolhibs]

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Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

[VickMackie]

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Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

[GreenPJ]

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I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?[/LIST]

I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

[JimBHibees]

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What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

This has undoubtedly affected Scottish football and the low season tickets bought is solely IMO down to the uncertainty of the situation and fans waiting to see which way their club is voting before handing over their money. It is imperative for fans of all clubs for them to make it as clear as possible to their clubs that this is the case so that clubs cannot use the low season numbers as an excuse to weedle Rangers back into the SPL.

[JeMeSouviens]

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So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4.

Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

[ScottB]

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I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money.

[PatHead]

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Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

Dundee Utd's Early bird finishes on 3 July. Discount cost £300 for adults. Wonder if they will extend the deadline until after the vote.

[ancienthibby]

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You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money.

Er, no - they have a proven track record of stealing monies from the rightful ownership of others, creditors, the taxpayer and other football clubs.