Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Kato]

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I love the way that when a decision goes against the Huns its all a big Fenian based conspiracy all trying to extinguish their Proddy way of life.

....and Sir David Murray must be the biggest Fenian of them all.

Gawd Bless him I say.

[joe breezy]

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To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

Is this another "they're going to get away with it aren't they?" post?

[Peevemor]

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To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

I think that the delay is partly down to the possibility of there being criminal charges. Since the huns' biggest crime is the double contract/EBC/tax fraud thing, the football authorities have to be really careful that any decision they make must not be seen to prejudice any eventual criminal case.

An example of this was when Duncan Ferguson headbutted John McStay while on probation. The football autorities complicated things by judging and banning him before the criminal case was tried.

[Sylar]

There is serious discussion going on, on a few of the Rangers FC (RIP) forums which suggests that there's a very serious risk on the NewCo heading towards administration unless they can find a buyer/investor or a bank who will actually take them on as a client, as Green and his consortium cannot afford to float the New club.

Edit: If they don't currently have a bank, where would any ST money go (I'm aware the fans aren't exactly gobbling them up but surely some have forked out)?

[Andy74]

I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

[stokesmessiah]

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I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

Stop talking dirty.

[lapsedhibee]

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I heard rumours about false accounting a while back but dismissed it as hyperbola in light of a continually unraveling saga.

I'm seeing more of a parabola here in that the Huns have thrown something of a boomerang with their dual contracts which is now coming back, in a parabolic arc, to bite them on the erchie. (That's a toothed boomerang, obviously.)

[Sylar]

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I'm seeing more of a parabola here in that the Huns have thrown something of a boomerang with their dual contracts which is now coming back, in a parabolic arc, to bite them on the erchie. (That's a toothed boomerang, obviously.)

Oops!

That's a crossover from trying to write a paper at the same time as browsing message boards!

[ScottB]

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There is serious discussion going on, on a few of the Rangers FC (RIP) forums which suggests that there's a very serious risk on the NewCo heading towards administration unless they can find a buyer/investor or a bank who will actually take them on as a client, as Green and his consortium cannot afford to float the New club.

Edit: If they don't currently have a bank, where would any ST money go (I'm aware the fans aren't exactly gobbling them up but surely some have forked out)?

Are they even allowed to sell Season Tickets yet? Surely they aren't 'legally' a football club yet?

Which does beg the question, where are the players and who is paying them? I assume they are all still registered to the Oldco, since Sevco again, isn't an actual football club yet, and we've seen nothing in the press about anyone agreeing / not agreeing to the transfer. I also have to wonder, who is paying them? Oldco has no funds, and neither it would appear does Newco. When those wage bills, tax instalments, Council Tax payments etc start landing, what happens? If there is no money, and it certainly looks that way (Uncle Wattie's statement certainly suggests that if nothing else), and there's no bank account, so no overdraft or loan facility open to them, then the club collapses again straight away?

Shows beyond doubt how incompetent (at best, if not downright corrupt) Duff & Phelps have been, there appears to have been no effort to ensure Green has the cash to run the club, there has been no cuts (Rangers must be the only club that haven't released any players yet this summer), no fit and proper person tests, since nobody but Green seems to know who and how many investors are with him...

Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

[Peevemor]

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Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

[ScottB]

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

[lapsedhibee]

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Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

Has Donkey "Neil" Doncaster resigned yet?

[TrickyNicky]

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Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

Was that McCoist?

He brought round fresh batteries for my remote this morning!

[At The Edge]

On the subject of RFC/TRFC/Sevco selling ST's, the info is out to all previous ST's at Ibrox re. renewals, (price freeze for the 4th year in a row! ) my mate at work says the deadline to renew is the end of June to keep his current seat, he like most of the folk he knows are certainly not renewing until they know if they have a team to watch and what division they'll be in.

[Benny Brazil]

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Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

[Just Alf]

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I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

[magpie1892]

Mildly interesting in the current context:

http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?p...&cod=8199&tp=n

[Benny Brazil]

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SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

Possibly - the one comment he made was - Sky always get what they pay for. Mind you the guy I play squash with is a Hun

[calmac12000]

The Orcs needn't worry over much, their historie's' being kept alive and well, sort of.
http://www.club12.org/

[JeMeSouviens]

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I would love it if something else came creeping out their closet but in all honesty i think this is wild speculation that he been fuelled by Alex Thommo's tweet yesterday. He said that a lawyer of a former mngr told him that a massive fraud was going to come out of ibrox, it doesnt necessarily say that involves any new evidence though.

Yes, you're probably right. The RTC poster "Barcabhoy" of the famous "nuclear option" posted shortly afterwards that the rumours around EBT payments to refs/journos etc were well wide of the mark but that Alex Thomson was on the right lines.

A lot of the wild speculation re the Huns has turned out to be bang on the money though.

[IWasThere2016]

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I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

[Lungo--Drom]

Dashing Bob, well put sir!

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I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

[Jack]

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Deluded. Massive fine? not for the crimes! Bendtner got fined 80K for showing his pants!

Fantastic. They are winging about a massive £100,000 fine.

They currently owe £150,000,000 or thereabouts to everyone and everything they have touched outwith their vile institution over the last few years. How would they describe that?

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Apparently Club 12 have lined up a glamour friendly against Spanish Giants Club 18-30

[Lungo--Drom]

Hmmm, all that ranting and the daft Hun hasn't realised that from the very start Craig Whyte has got an 'h' after the first letter of his surnhame. He was really a Celtic phlant you fhools!!!

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A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.
I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

[Lungo--Drom]

I regularly go to the sauna with Rebecah Brooks and she says otherwise to the otherwise ;)

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I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

[green glory]

SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/ove...ent/#more-2870

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SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/ove...ent/#more-2870

Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off...

[lapsedhibee]

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Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off...

'mon the Queen's representatives

[joe breezy]

GSTQ... cough

[SuperTortolano]

BBC Scotland has learned that Charles Green's Sevco 5088 company is not currently permitted to inherit the name 'The Rangers Football Club'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619