Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[WindyMiller]

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East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

Also Uefa have agreed in the past that should a team from outside the SPL qualify for a Uefa tournament, they would receive dispensation to enable them to play.

[stokesmessiah]

The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks a league made artificially uncompetitive (ring any bells) and also we are now thieving money from Club12.

[WarringtonHibee]

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The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks, we are now thieving money from Club12.

Eh? Surely that's a joke post...

[stokesmessiah]

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Eh? Surely that's a joke post...

I think it is just the blinding stupidity and arrogance of your typical knuckle dragger unfortunately.

[johnrebus]

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umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://http<b>://forum.rangersmedia....pic=</b>223145

The level of bile on, 'Rangers media forum', should really merit a veiwing by Inspector Knacker. I thought this stuff was illegal?

Sums them up for me.

[The Green Goblin]

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"HE had never heard of an EBT until the day he signed for RFC. But now those six little letters will live with Jean-Alain Boumsong for the rest of his days.

The Frenchman has watched on from afar with utter astonishment as Rangers have unravelled over the past six months and last week’s liquidation of the old company has hit him so hard he feels somehow compelled to return to Scotland to do what he can to assist in efforts to save Ibrox from oblivion.

He may have only spent six months in Glasgow – and that was some eight years ago now.

But even so he insists in that short time he felt a bond with the club the likes of which he has never experienced before or after.

Which is perhaps why, even now, he still feels uncomfortable at the very mention of the tax avoidance scheme from which it is claimed he benefited to the tune of around £630,000.

Something about that offshore payment plan just never sat easily with Boumsong. So much so, in fact, that for the first time he has revealed he gave serious thought to pulling the plug on his free transfer to the club on the day he arrived in Glasgow to sign his name on the dotted line.

Eventually he was persuaded by accountants there was nothing illegal about the structure of the contract which would make him a wealthy man and a Rangers player.

But Boumsong smelled a rat back then. And it’s rankled with him ever since.

In an interview with Record Sport here at Euro 2012 he said: “My salary was normally paid but there was a trust. I was not comfortable with that to be honest. I didn’t know anything about it until the day I was going to sign.



“When I discovered it I first refused to sign the contract and said, ‘What is this?’

“I didn’t want to sign because it seemed strange, we don’t have that kind of payment in France and I didn’t know anything about it. When I left Rangers, for example, to sign for Newcastle, it was for a normal contract with normal payment.

“But the day I was signing for Rangers I was told it was legal.

“As players we don’t know the law but my advisers said, ‘It’s okay, you can sign it. It’s legal’.

“I wouldn’t have signed otherwise, no way. If I thought it was wrong legally I wouldn’t have gone. It’s important to be able to sleep at night without any fear of being chased by the tax office.”

If only those running Rangers had been just as scrupulous or even shared some of Boumsong’s reservations, then the club may have been spared from at least a proportion of its ongoing crisis.

EBTs may not have been the cause of their undoing – that one rests with Sir David Murray’s decision to hand the keys to Craig Whyte – but they did leave a huge tax liability hanging over Ibrox and those potential losses led to Lloyds Bank leaning heavily on Murray to sell up in the first place.

The finer details of how Rangers got into such a mess are all a little lost on Boumsong who was off to Newcastle in an £8m move after only six months into that lucrative five-year deal.

He has since spent time at Juventus and Lyon and is currently looking for an escape from stricken Greek outfit Panathinaikos who are experiencing a financial meltdown of their own.

There is for him though a very bitter sense of irony in all of this. He says he would gladly return to Rangers tomorrow, especially if he can help in Walter Smith’s attempts to stabilise the club.

He would be willing to do so for around half of the wages he might earn himself elsewhere. All he would ask for in return is a stake in the future of the new Rangers company.

He insists such a deal would not be about money. And there’s the irony right there. Because Boumsong insists the chance to make a quick buck was not the reason he chose Rangers in the first place.

Which is why he still can’t get his head around why the club was willing to take any kind of risks over his contract.

He said: “Believe me, I could have gone to other clubs for more money. I was a free agent at the time and sometimes it is not about money. I wanted to go there because they believed in me and they wanted me.

“They wanted to build a team with me a big part of it so I decided to go. They trusted me and I trusted them so I signed.”

Now, eight years on, Boumsong would relish the opportunity to do it all over again.

He’s been stuck in Athens without any wages at all for most of last season, just one of the millions of victims of the economic disaster which threatens to bring all of Greece down. And now he would choose to return to Ibrox?

The words “frying pan” and “fire” spring instantly to mind.

But if the club can successfully overturn the disputed transfer embargo which was imposed as a punishment for Whyte’s shamed regime then Boumsong will be there, standing at the front of the queue, ready and willing to help.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

But most of all though he says he just wants to help clean up a mess that was made by others

He said: “I don’t know too much about what’s happened. Of course, I watch it on TV but I don’t know exactly what’s going on there.

“I hear there is a chance they could be forced to play in the Third Division and that would be a disaster. What would happen to the Scottish League without Rangers? That would be a real shame and to be honest I can’t believe it. It’s incredible.

“I know the other clubs need to complain because they don’t think what’s happened is fair but maybe they will find an agreement because they know how important Rangers are.

“The lesson we have to take from this is that financial fair play must happen. Every single club must now control their finances. But I am quite surprised Rangers didn’t use the money they had better than they did. I mean, they paid big wages, but I’m surprised they weren’t better at business.

“They sold the right-back, Alan Hutton, for £9m. When I left it was for a big transfer worth £8m and I cost the club nothing.

“Sure, they’ve had to pay out wages so it’s not as though you can add £8m and £9m together and ask where the money is now. But you still ask yourself how can this happen to a club like Rangers?

“I still have strong feelings for the club. It doesn’t depend on how long you spend at a club to feel part of it. I had some of my best moments in football at Rangers really.

“I was happy there, my family was happy, and if I had the opportunity to go back I’d go, even now.”

That is the biggest load of *****e I have read in ages. I felt embarrassed reading that. More BS PR from the DR.

[Barney McGrew]

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Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Given that Rangers/Sevco/Whatever have already shown that they are not averse to a bit of legal action through the courts, it makes sense to ensure that every rule is followed to the letter of the law regardless of how pointless it may seem so that they don't have any ammunition to go legal again and claim procedures haven't been properly completed to their detriment.

Frustrating yes, but if it keeps them out for good with no recourse then I'm happy they're doing it by the book.

[johnrebus]

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I'm being a bit pedantic here, but it's not a ban, the club is simply ineligible for UEFA competition. It is an important distinction because a ban sounds like a further punishment, and as we all know Rangers have been punished enough - look at the trouble the 10 point deduction has caused them.

Perhaps there are some brave souls wishing to do penance, who could venture into the wastlelands of certain parts of West Lothian or Ayrshire, to try to explain why the Teddy bears are in such a mess?

I have not met one single Rangers fan who will dwell upon the actions of the club that has brought them to this place. All they respond with is, 'Celtic done it too/We will pay back every club that votes against us/Its all down to Murray/Whyte/We are the people, Rangers will never die/its a Papish conspiracy, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

If, and its still a big if, Rangers are refused entry back into the SPL and end up in Division Three or out of the game completely for a time (or permanently) I can see this being taken onto the streets in certain places.

[The Green Goblin]

I hear they are planning a film of these events. Working title is: "Died on the 4th July"

[The Green Goblin]

Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

[dolphan]

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Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

Yes - if they had a vacancy they could accept an application from someone else (Spartans, Preston Athletic, and Cove Rangers were the unsuccessful applicants last time round). They wouldn't though.

[green glory]

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Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

I think the SFL needs 3 years audited accounts, so unless they change the rules for the benefit of the Quintessental British Cheats, then they won't be going there either. Not to worry though because they can just go ahead with their plans to play in some 'Atlantic League'. With concrete boots preferably.

[lord bunberry]

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umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

It's not often I'm speechless but I was after reading that. They really are living in a fantasy world

[Off the bar]

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umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

wow! would'nt normally dirty my eyes by looking at a hun forum, but yup that just confirmed pretty much what I thought about them, some of the abuse to the fella who posted the tatoo post (mischievous tic fan or otherwise) is unreal.

gota kick 'em out they're a stain on the league, this will run for years and years and soo much more still to come out. kick em out and the sfl/sfa/courts can worry about them.

[s.a.m]

Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



















Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

[JimBHibees]

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That is the biggest load of *****e I have read in ages. I felt embarrassed reading that. More BS PR from the DR.

Completely agree. I was almost physically sick at this line.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

This will be the same Boumsong that scuttled off to the EPL within months. That rag gets worse by the day will never ever buy it on its sister rag ever again.

[lapsedhibee]

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The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks a league made artificially uncompetitive (ring any bells) and also we are now thieving money from Club12.

We are the gang of ten thieves. We should all turn up in Dick Turpin masks if we get drawn against them in the Cup. I am feeling a bit guilty now though. How can I repay something into their fighting fund thing?

[Steve-O]

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they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

2.How can you justify stripping titles for something that has nothing in relation to the outcome of matches/seasons? It's illogical



Yes, buying better players by paying them with money that should have gone to HMRC has absolutely NOTHING to do with winning games...

[Geo_1875]

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Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



















Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

I agree. They should show mercy and put them out of their misery.

[Ryan91]

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they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

What a vile and loathsome bunch they are. Knuckle-draggers to the very end. Everyone else is at fault apart from them.

[scott7_0(Prague)]

this is my favorite one.

Pure raging.

I have the 5 stars tattooed on the back of my neck and all the tims in work
are suggesting places one of them removed.

Others are saying I should get all 5 removed as we are a Newco.

[Off the bar]

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this is my favorite one.

all the huns on the thread seam to think thats a tic fan mocking them, and they've left some absolute hum dingers as replys to it, not sure whats funnier RFC going down the toilet or them sat round blaming everyone else and not seeing the writing which is on the wall. RANGERS ARE DEAD all we are waiting on is the final report form the coroner as to the exact cause of death, if they could only understand that there might be some contrition.

[calmac12000]

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What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty.

It would make a reasonably interesting book if every team in Scotland gave an example of "strange" decisions given against them whilst playing agaist the team from Govan. Only thing would be restricting the legth to a manageable size!

[Gatecrasher]

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this is my favorite one.

I know a few folk in the same situation, i feel really bad for them

[Lucius Apuleius]

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Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

Aw, ****. Maybe he won't see it.

[green glory]

Wally just walked away.

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/stat...61467920203778

[s.a.m]

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Wally just walked away.

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/stat...61467920203778

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogWalter Smith wakes up after seven day holiday bender. "And do you remember saying you'd buy Rangers?" asks Ethel. "Oh FFS" says Walter.

[Newry Hibs]

What happened to the 'nuclear' revelations?

With the vote in a couple of weeks, surely there is a risk of missing the boat with the impact it could make.

[1875er]

So Walter DOES do walking away..... had his wee bit of PR and now offski....

[Hibs Class]

Sloppy BBC story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18503656

The consortium led by former manager Walter Smith has withdrawn its offer to take over the 'newco' Rangers.

Surely that should be newco "Rangers"? Newco they are, Rangers they're not.