Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Tom Hart RIP]

Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

[neilmartinrocks]

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More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.

no such thing as a secret ballot these days too many ears.

[Planet Hibs]

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More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.

Hey am sure McCoist will be outraged if it's secret and demand to know who made what decision! ...unless the cheating barstewards walk right back in then it's all rosy in the garden again

[Littlest Hobo]

Why is it taking so long?

Is there a really good reason for the wait, the uncertainty, the embarrassment?

You would think they would just get it done one way or another.

Talk about milking it ;(

[CropleyWasGod]

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Why is it taking so long?

Is there a really good reason for the wait, the uncertainty, the embarrassment?

You would think they would just get it done one way or another.

Talk about milking it ;(

Process.

Calm yourself, this is being done the right way.

[Leithenhibby]

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Process.

Calm yourself, this is being done the right way.

And this sort of thing shouldn't be rushed. It is better than reading a book before bed ....

[Kato]

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Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

Don't worry mate. I remember some SFA bod saying these things even themselves up over the course of time. So by 2112 we'll be almost there. Then again maybe not.

[Ray_]

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Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

I think this was 72/73, in the replay after a 1-1 at Ibrox that we should have won in a canter. In the replay we were all over them & McCloy played a stormer, I think it was McLean with the penalty incident.

[WindyMiller]

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I think this was 72/73, in the replay after a 1-1 at Ibrox that we should have won in a canter. In the replay we were all over them & McCloy played a stormer, I think it was McLean with the penalty incident.

at the Dunbar End.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty.

[hibs0666]

Not forgetting Luna being sent off when he scored against them at Easter Road.

[SteveHFC]

The SPL featuring only 11 clubs next season.



A Rangers newco sitting out the first round of fixtures AND a League Cup ban.



Consecutive points deductions for the next three seasons.



Demotion to the Third Division.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1yBoXWXtJ

[Moulin Yarns]

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The SPL featuring only 11 clubs next season.



A Rangers newco sitting out the first round of fixtures AND a League Cup ban.



Consecutive points deductions for the next three seasons.



Demotion to the Third Division.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1yBoXWXtJ

This is good to read...

Despite the possibility of Rangers dropping into the First Division, SFL supremo David Longmuir insisted such a move would not be welcomed.
He said: “The decisions that have to be made by the SPL and SFA are far more crucial than the knock-on effects that come to the SFL.
“The only way we could accommodate any new application would be to create a gap in the Third Division through the play-offs.
“There would be no provision for any newco Rangers to go into the First rather than Third Division.”


Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1yDPVvzRt

[majorhibs]

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What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty.

- at Greyskull, ball over the top into the box, both turn & run for it, Geebsie gets in front by 2 yards & about to take it out to the corner, the big english galoot realises he's getting naewhere & dives onto Geebsie's back, G doesnae know whats hit him & goes down, ref runs up, red cards Geebsie, gives them a pen. they win 1-0. Unbelievable just about, but it's Scottish refs & the huns. One that sticks in my mind way before at Greyskull their # 11 john mcdonald, always a diver, with a total shocker that the ref just HAD to give3, worst dive ever, they won that one by 1 goal as well, 3rd division is way too lenient for them.

[Callum_62]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

[Newry Hibs]

There have been a few posters saying that without an SFA or UEFA licence TRFC cannot get into the SPL and indeed the UEFA one isn't transferable.

If (and I'm not doubting this) this is the case, why has it not been raised before? Surely the meeting on the 4th isn't required, unless they are saying 'turn up with the licences and we'll have a vote' knowing they can't get one (I've checked ebay and none are for sale).

[s.a.m]

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There have been a few posters saying that without an SFA or UEFA licence TRFC cannot get into the SPL and indeed the UEFA one isn't transferable.

If (and I'm not doubting this) this is the case, why has it not been raised before? Surely the meeting on the 4th isn't required, unless they are saying 'turn up with the licences and we'll have a vote' knowing they can't get one (I've checked ebay and none are for sale).

I seem to remember 20 or so pages back, somebody quoted a 'period of grace' for fulfilment of licence requirements in the SPL regulations.

[Newry Hibs]

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I seem to remember 20 or so pages back, somebody quoted a 'period of grace' for fulfilment of licence requirements in the SPL regulations.

But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

[Leithenhibby]

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umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223145

"Raging" is a very popular word over there! ....

[s.a.m]

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But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

1 Certainly is.
2 I also seem to remember reading that it was 'discretionary'. So.....no, probably.

[H18sry]

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[ballengeich]

If the vote goes against the transfer of the SPL share to Sevco, the share remains with the existing Rangers business as the liquidation won't be completed by July 4th. How does the SPL get rid of them in order to allow Dundee or Dunfermline to replace them? Could Rangers hang on to SPL membership until the start of the season just to cause maximum confusion?

[down-the-slope]

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If the vote goes against the transfer of the SPL share to Sevco, the share remains with the existing Rangers business as the liquidation won't be completed by July 4th. How does the SPL get rid of them in order to allow Dundee or Dunfermline to replace them? Could Rangers hang on to SPL membership until the start of the season just to cause maximum confusion?

Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

[Kaiser1962]

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But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

[RyeSloan]

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East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

Urmm I kind of get that although you have to admit it's tediously slow.

There is also the fact that it is clear that Servco do not meet SPL licence criteria and Rangers now clearly fail that as well. Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Why should the whole of Scottish football be impacted by Rangers/Servco desperate desire to bend/break rules for pretty much their own benefit.

If this wasn't 'Rangers' then none of this would be happening. The old club would be expelled or removed by revoking their licence and the new club would be already be trying to get into the SFL.

[Caversham Green]

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East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but it's not a ban, the club is simply ineligible for UEFA competition. It is an important distinction because a ban sounds like a further punishment, and as we all know Rangers have been punished enough - look at the trouble the 10 point deduction has caused them.

[GloryGlory]

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Urmm I kind of get that although you have to admit it's tediously slow.

There is also the fact that it is clear that Servco do not meet SPL licence criteria and Rangers now clearly fail that as well. Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Why should the whole of Scottish football be impacted by Rangers/Servco desperate desire to bend/break rules for pretty much their own benefit.

If this wasn't 'Rangers' then none of this would be happening. The old club would be expelled or removed by revoking their licence and the new club would be already be trying to get into the SFL.

Exactly - all of the clubs minded to let NewCheatsCo(SameAsOldCheatsCo) in to the SPL should pause and ask themselves one simple question - if this were my club, what would the other SPL members' (including the Old Squirm) verdicts be? Pretty clear-cut, I would suggest - their clubs would be expelled without a second thought and would have to beg the SFL to let them into Div 3.

And Traynor et al, if they even noticed or were bothered, would be writing that it was as much as they deserved and that the SPL clubs had made the only right decision!!!!

[ian cruise]

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Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

Could Green draft up an agreement saying that he will allow RFC(IA) to play at Ibrox if they are still in SPL as a means of making sure that the old club meet SPL membership and retain their SPL share?

[ballengeich]

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Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

That's true now, but they're still members and will have a vote on the transfer of their membership. If they're going to be expelled for that, why wait for the transfer meeting? Surely membership should have lapsed as soon as Green took ownership of the football club and Ibrox.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

Cough