Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Captain Trips]

If Rangers are a new club on paper and a club votes yes because basically the new club is predicted to bring in money then that for me is the end of football as competion in Scotland.

A new club to play in SPL should have to earn that on pitch or else there is really no point. I have said it before this shouldnt even be up for vote the newco should apply along with Whitehill welfare etc etc.

[matty_f]

I don't think new Rangers will get enough votes to get into the SPL.

I'm actually begining to wonder if they'll even get an SFL place, given that the requirement is to produce accounts for x no. of years. They can't satisfy that criteria so they're application would surely fall at that point in favour of a club that can?

[gazman]

Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

[RyeSloan]

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Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

Bookies are often wrong...just look at the prices on Greece to win the other night!

I would happily wager a bet the other way on this.

[ancienthibby]

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I don't think new Rangers will get enough votes to get into the SPL.

I'm actually begining to wonder if they'll even get an SFL place, given that the requirement is to produce accounts for x no. of years. They can't satisfy that criteria so they're application would surely fall at that point in favour of a club that can?

This should become a 'must read' for everyone!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Longmuir.html#

[Onion]

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If Rangers are a new club on paper and a club votes yes because basically the new club is predicted to bring in money then that for me is the end of football as competion in Scotland.

A new club to play in SPL should have to earn that on pitch or else there is really no point. I have said it before this shouldnt even be up for vote the newco should apply along with Whitehill welfare etc etc.

I'm not so sure about this but see your point. The bigger issue for me with Newco is the previous crimes, fraud, cheating, double contracts, taking the SFA to court, and total lack of any humility, remorse or apology. The Huns and Celtic must really wonder what it WOULD take to get relegated.

The SPL might as well amend the paragraphs on relegation to state (all, except the OF whom are exempted). Only in Scotland

[VickMackie]

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This should become a 'must read' for everyone!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Longmuir.html#

They must have read my prediction about them trying to wriggle into the first division.

[Offside Trap]

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Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

Interesting. What odds are they offering on Huns NOT in SPL next season?

[Onion]

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4th July. Hundepence day!

Funniest quote of the day

[snooky]

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This should become a 'must read' for everyone!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Longmuir.html#

"There are no winners in this situation. The good of the game is balancing sporting integrity with the finances available, and to be realistic about the future.”
This is a worrying quote to me.

Surely it should just be - "There are no winners in this situation. The game is (about) sporting integrity"
The wording of the initial quote implies that sporting integrity has a price. No it hasn't.

As someone suggested earlier, you can't - be half pregnant, half honest or half lying.

[Onion]

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St Mirren will be controlled by fans trust by the time the SPL vote is taken and their spokesman said the for/against vote will be decided by their members.

He also said membership was open to anyone.

Interesting... if the vote was in the balance, a fly £1m by Green into St Mirren might just tip the balance. There are going to be so many twist an turns in this saga over coming weeks.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

sorry a bit late with this....

A long long time ago
I can still remember how
The football used to make me smile
And I knew if they took their chance
My team could make those Hibees dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I sighed
When I read about yon Craigie Whyte
But something touched me deep inside
**The day the Rangers died**


Bye, bye Glasgow Rangers have died
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them loyal boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this'll be the day that We die
This'll be the day that We die

[Offside Trap]

Useful one stop shop with all of the public statements from SPL clubs thus far:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/106806-...eir-own-words/

One thought - a number of those club statements make reference to supporter consultation...i.e. in a structured way....are we expecting Hibs to do something formal between now and the vote?

[Caversham Green]

It's probably worth pointing out that Rangers haven't actually been found guilty of the hidden contracts charges yet. The SPL's investigators have looked at the evidence and decided that prima facie - on the face of it - there is a case to answer. That means that there still has to be a hearing to determine whether they are guilty or not then, if found guilty, the punishment has to be determined. It looks like the SPL have come to the conclusion that the undead huns can be charged with the deceased huns crimes, so it looks like continuity is the way they will be going.

The only reason Newco would be voted into the SPL is because they are Rangers FC. Rangers FC have already been found guilty of trangressions that were deemed second only to match-fixing and the crime they now stand accused of must up near the top of the scale as well. If they're found guilty of that I can't see any justification whether sporting or commercial for allowing them to compete in Scotland's top league in the forthcoming season. Allowing them to compete at all would be extremely lenient.

[Kato]

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So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

Hearts are trying to create a precedent as they are up next for a meeting with Hector.

[Caversham Green]

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"There are no winners in this situation. The good of the game is balancing sporting integrity with the finances available, and to be realistic about the future.”
This is a worrying quote to me.

Surely it should just be - "There are no winners in this situation. The game is (about) sporting integrity"
The wording of the initial quote implies that sporting integrity has a price. No it hasn't.

As someone suggested earlier, you can't - be half pregnant, half honest or half lying.

Don't worry too much about it. This is the SFL CEO speaking and he is not directly involved in the Rangers saga for the moment so his words carry no more weight then yours or mine.

[EH6 Hibby]

Given that it's highly unlikely that Sevco will get the required number of votes to enter the league due to Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Celtc all voting no and St Mirren look like they will also vote no, I can't imagine why any team would want to incur the wrath of their own fans and a large number of travelling fans by voting yes to a lost cause. I don't get it.

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[erin go bragh]

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Interesting. What odds are they offering on Huns NOT in SPL next season?

6/4

ggtth

[FranckSuzy]

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Brilliant I'm stealing that!

[Kaiser1962]

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It's probably worth pointing out that Rangers haven't actually been found guilty of the hidden contracts charges yet. The SPL's investigators have looked at the evidence and decided that prima facie - on the face of it - there is a case to answer. That means that there still has to be a hearing to determine whether they are guilty or not then, if found guilty, the punishment has to be determined. It looks like the SPL have come to the conclusion that the undead huns can be charged with the deceased huns crimes, so it looks like continuity is the way they will be going.

Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

[Caversham Green]

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Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

I agree - and I did say earlier that Boumsong's comments pretty much wrapped it up - but we're just getting ahead of ourselves a wee bit here. There still has to be a hearing and it's just possible (although highly unlikely) that they could discover that the EBTs were disclosed to the SPL after all - innocent until proven guilty an' all that. Whatever the outcome it's going to be some time before it all unfolds so we shouldn't expect Club 12 to turn into Dundee overnight.

[ronaldo7]

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Stolen

[Kato]

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The oldest derby in the world is not the two clubs in Glasgow.

..and it never has been...

[VickMackie]

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Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

Boumsong is quoted as saying as saying that he almost pulled the plug after realising he'd be getting paid via an EBT.

[neilmartinrocks]

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..and it never has been...

forrest and county?

[Kato]

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forrest and county?

1866

[neilmartinrocks]

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1866

cheers. so is ours second them?

[Kaiser1962]

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I agree - and I did say earlier that Boumsong's comments pretty much wrapped it up - but we're just getting ahead of ourselves a wee bit here. There still has to be a hearing and it's just possible (although highly unlikely) that they could discover that the EBTs were disclosed to the SPL after all - innocent until proven guilty an' all that. Whatever the outcome it's going to be some time before it all unfolds so we shouldn't expect Club 12 to turn into Dundee overnight.

Its difficult not to! With every hun utterance they are getting themselves deeper and deeper into the mire and moving inexorably towards an outcome that is as desirable (to the non-hun world) as it is inevitable.

Like a kid at Xmas!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.