Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[steakbake]

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Um without going too far off topic - that's rubbish. Blair converted to Catholicism after leaving office. He frequently attended RC services with his missus while PM. There's enough nonsense taked about sectarianism without making stuff up.

...to help him cope with the considerable guilt he ought to be living with.

[down-the-slope]

The Scottish Premier League says Rangers have "a prima facie case to answer in respect of [league] rules" over payments to players.

Rangers were investigated over alleged player payments outside of contract.
"Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13," said an SPL spokesman.

“The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC”

SPL spokesman

Meanwhile, SPL member clubs will vote on whether a newco Rangers should be admitted to the league on 4 July.
Rangers' attempts to exit administration via a company voluntary arrangement failed after major creditor HM Revenue and Customs turned down the proposal and the club's assets have been transferred to a new company, The Rangers Football Club, while Rangers Football Club plc is liquidated.
The club's new chief executive Charles Green has made an official request to transfer Rangers FC plc's share in the SPL to the new company to allow top flight football to continue at Ibrox.
However, the issue has to be voted on by all 12 members - including Rangers - and Green needs at least eight clubs to vote in favour of the request.
If five or more clubs vote against it, Rangers are likely to apply for the vacancy that would be created in the Scottish Football League with the intention of starting next season in Division Three.
With uncertainty over whether Rangers will be in the top flight for season 2012/13, their name has been replaced by "Club 12" in the SPL fixture list released on Monday morning.
"An application for registration of transfer of Rangers' SPL share has been received," said the league's spokesman.

• The company which had run Rangers until 14 June 2012 will shortly be liquidated
• A new company (newco) has bought Rangers' assets, including Ibrox Stadium
• The newco wants to replace the old company in the Scottish Premier League
• An 8-to-4 majority of SPL member clubs, including Rangers, is required for the newco to be admitted
• If 5 or more clubs vote no, Rangers will need to apply to be admitted to Scottish Football League Division Three

"Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.
"A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer."
Rangers' use of employee benefits trusts during a decade-long period was the subject of a long-running tax tribunal, which concluded in January but has yet to return a verdict.
The SPL began its own investigation into whether Rangers had broken its rules after the tribunal concluded.
"The SPL board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract," added the spokesman.
"The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.
"The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its rules."

I like the bits in bold...so there is still documentation and verification required

[PatHead]

Can't believe Rangers are even being considered by SFA until all the investors are known. (By the sounds of it Green doesn't even know who the investors are.) How can the SFA know that these people are "fit and proper" if they don't even know who they are? The Rangers could turn into Notts County who turned out to be a shadowey group of people who were in it just to make money. We would then require another 10,000 page thread saying we told you so.

Just wish SFA had the gonads to stand up to Rangers and tell them to stop wasting everyone's time and go forth and multiply.

[magpie1892]

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

Mildly interesting story about Boumsong that might have further ramifications for Club 12 and Souness. JAB was playing for Auxerre and his agent was touting him. Bobby Robson (then of NUFC) went to look at him with the chief scout on a couple of occasions and jointly decided he was no better than we had and left it. JAB signed for Club 12, Robson got the sack, and Souness, new NUFC 'manager', then paid £8m for the bombscare a few months later.

It's a transfer that's been looked at before, and almost certainly will be again...

[Mon Dieu4]

This gets more mental by the day, a crack squad of Columbo, Kojak, Jessica Fletcher, Puncharello, Quincy, Van Der Valk, Michael Knight, The A Team, Magnum, Ironside, Father Dowling, Poirot and Sherlock Holmes couldn't get to the bottom of this mess

[sambajustice]

So the long and short of it now is (correct me if i'm wrong):

4th July - 5 Clubs say no and they're oot???


Between now and then the campaign and the pressure on the clubs from their own fans has to be cranked up to the maximum!!

[down-the-slope]

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So the long and short of it now is (correct me if i'm wrong):

4th July - 5 Clubs say no and they're oot???


Between now and then the campaign and the pressure on the clubs from their own fans has to be cranked up to the maximum!!

Close but not quite....

Sevco 5088 are not IN any structure...so all the 'kicking them out' guff from media is wrong...5 clubs could prevent them GETTING IN...but before that they have a bunch of hurdles to jump in getting verification paperwork to SPL (like ownership of ground etc etc)

[Offside Trap]

Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

[RyeSloan]

Seems clear to me Rangers and The Rangers are stuffed.

Any transfer of SPL share will have to include transfer of sanctions for Rangers. This must be expulsion due to ongoing re-appeal and now dual contracts.

Therefore to avoid Rangers sanctions The Rangers will need to apply to SFL.


First time we have seen confirmation that The Rangers have indeed the property of Rangers. Therefore surely now Rangers are no longer fit to hold an SPL license so this should be returned immediately to the SPL.

Will take a while to get there I'm sure but the outcome looks certain, there is simply not enough wriggle room. So at least 3 years without Rangers in the SPL and it's looking pretty grim for them to even be playing football next year..how long will the SFL give them to apply and will they even be in a fit and proper state to do so...Spartans and the like have applied previously so I'm sure could pull together a proper applicaiton quite quickly...The Rangers might not even have any players when they need to apply to the SFL and of course the SFL clubs might well just tell them to bolt!

[SoL]

4th July. Hundepence day!

[kenny-55]

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Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

Like a valid sfa and uefa licence which they don't have and which can't be transferred according to the rules
bye bye currant buns

[CropleyWasGod]

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Seems clear to me Rangers and The Rangers are stuffed.

Any transfer of SPL share will have to include transfer of sanctions for Rangers. This must be expulsion due to ongoing re-appeal and now dual contracts.

Therefore to avoid Rangers sanctions The Rangers will need to apply to SFL.


First time we have seen confirmation that The Rangers have indeed the property of Rangers. Therefore surely now Rangers are no longer fit to hold an SPL license so this should be returned immediately to the SPL.

Will take a while to get there I'm sure but the outcome looks certain, there is simply not enough wriggle room. So at least 3 years without Rangers in the SPL and it's looking pretty grim for them to even be playing football next year..how long will the SFL give them to apply and will they even be in a fit and proper state to do so...Spartans and the like have applied previously so I'm sure could pull together a proper applicaiton quite quickly...The Rangers might not even have any players when they need to apply to the SFL and of course the SFL clubs might well just tell them to bolt!

Never said this before, but.... SOURCE?

[joe breezy]

There's only 2 teams called Rangers - and they're both going to die

ha ha ha ha ha

[down-the-slope]

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Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

[Caversham Green]

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Mildly interesting story about Boumsong that might have further ramifications for Club 12 and Souness. JAB was playing for Auxerre and his agent was touting him. Bobby Robson (then of NUFC) went to look at him with the chief scout on a couple of occasions and jointly decided he was no better than we had and left it. JAB signed for Club 12, Robson got the sack, and Souness, new NUFC 'manager', then paid £8m for the bombscare a few months later.

It's a transfer that's been looked at before, and almost certainly will be again...

By coincidence around the time that all happened Graeme Souness received a loan from an employee benefit trust set up by his former employers.

Nothing at all dodgy there.

[Offside Trap]

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Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

Agreed - and no I'm not sure!

But the extract below sure provides a stick to beat the St Mirren Board with if they allow SevCo in.

"The Board of Directors as well as all other St Mirren supporters totally understands the sense of injustice felt at this time instigated by the way in which another club in our League has conducted their affairs."

Sending pretty strong smoke signals IMHO.....

[RoYO!]

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Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

Yep, I read that as st mirren getting the excuses in...

[Billy Whizz]

Who's going to replace them? I thought the SPL rules suggested that it was the 2nd team in Division 1, but noises seem to be getting made about Dundee? Bit unfair on both these teams if they have to wait until 4th July to know which division they are playing in!

[greenginger]

St Mirren will be controlled by fans trust by the time the SPL vote is taken and their spokesman said the for/against vote will be decided by their members.

He also said membership was open to anyone.

[joe breezy]

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Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

A club that's being bought by the fans? What do you think..,

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

Just like they believe a country should be run by a government.
Don't believe the hype.

[Jim44]

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Agreed - and no I'm not sure!

But the extract below sure provides a stick to beat the St Mirren Board with if they allow SevCo in.

"The Board of Directors as well as all other St Mirren supporters totally understands the sense of injustice felt at this time instigated by the way in which another club in our League has conducted their affairs."

Sending pretty strong smoke signals IMHO.....

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I foresee a huge increase in the use of the word 'however' by club chairmen in the next couple of weeks.

[Just Alf]

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Yep, I read that as st mirren getting the excuses in...

I wondered too, especially considering.... if it was me and the Huns always called ME "St Midden" I KNOW which way I'd be voting!

[DH1875]

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I wondered too, especially considering.... if it was me and the Huns always called ME "St Midden" I KNOW which way I'd be voting!

Talk is that Rangers could have bought St Mirren and then took their place. I wouldn't be happy if I were a fan and they voted them back in.

[StevieC]

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Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

[RyeSloan]

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Never said this before, but.... SOURCE?

I took it straight from Down the Slopes post..it quoted a league spokesman as saying:

"A new company (newco) has bought Rangers' assets, including Ibrox Stadium"

DTS sadly failed to state where he took the article from but to me that seemed pretty clear that the SPL were of the opinion that Servco now had Ibrox.

[ScottB]

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I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

Unless St Mirren are the club that have currently only sold a few hundred Season Tickets.

Finances are of course a key driver, but all us 'Gang of Ten' clubs derive the bulk of our income from ticket sales.

Of course it should then be pointed out that if we stop going to games we aren't likely to be watching them either. So the Sky deal would likely go mammaries skyward also.

[Offside Trap]

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I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

Opinions eh! Seems like many on here are reading this different to me....guess we'll see. I just don't get why St Mirren would put this statement out on their own website with words like "injustice" included if they intend to vote in SevCo. Doesn't make any tactical sense...they should just say nothing if they intend to vote yes.

[blackpoolhibs]

We must know how each and every club votes dont we Ally, we must have transparency?

[Westie1875]

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We must know how each and every club votes dont we Ally, we must have transparency?

They have to make it public IMO, has it been confirmed anywhere that this will be the case?