Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[grunt]

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It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.

Oh well in that case they deserve every punishment coming to them!

[jacomo]

This is a small point, but why are Charles Green and his consortium all wearing the same corporate ties as the old Rangers Football Club PLC - the dark blue with thin red stripe on white as favoured by Moonbeams and Uncle Watty?

A little visual signifier to all that it's "business as usual folks, see you in the SPL again soon"? Damn them all!

[calmac12000]

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I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.

I agree, to a certain extent, but football can only deal with the footballing issues per ce and hope, indeed expect that politicians are sage enough to address the societal issues. Unfortunately, many of our politicians, of all major parties have fallen over themselves to appear friendly to the Dark forces. As we cannot wave a magic wand, the footballing authorities must apply the rules" without fear or favour". This is the defining issue in Scottish football and it's handling will to a large extent decide the future of the game. As you rightly say if the powers that be soft peddle on this issue, it will offer a startlingly negative perspective on the ability of Scottish society to deal with an issue that should have been addressed years ago. Namely that thousands of football supporters think it is acceptable to congregate and hurl sectarian abuse at their fellow citizens without anyone condemning their practices. Indeed, they seem to think it is their right!

[Cropley10]

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I can't be the only person is sick and tired of the whole saga.

Yes Rangers are no more and they are replaced by The Rangers. This will run and run and run.

The thing that gets me in all of this and is rarely mentioned on here, by pundits, the media etc etc..... Is.....Rangers FC CAUSED this, they are FULLY ACCOUNTABLE for the mess and the disruption to the league, the other clubs, supporters and the image of Scottish Football.

Despite all this I have seen ZERO humility shown by anyone with any kind of association with RFC. David Murray, Craig Whyte, Charles Green, Ally McCoist, Sandy Jardine, Gordon Smith, Rangers Supporters Assxociations and every single rangers fan I have spoken to.

At best you get a 'I know we were in the wrong BUT *insert 101 excuse and blame of someone else*.

The irony for us is that we have run a tight ship for last 7 years or so much to the pain on the park. Now we need to rebuild our squad and I can't think anything other than Fenlons budget will be restricted by those fans including me who refuse to renew for next season while this rumbles on.

Really sad sad state of affairs when only two people who fans are giving credit to over last 4 months is Channel 4 journalist and blogger and BBC Panarama journalist.

Every day you read somebody else claim they've been "punished enough".

Everyday similar people tell us Sky will pull out/the game will collapse in Scotland if Rangers are punished further.

Everyday we are told that TRFC's history is intact.

Fact is the assets of the Club were purchased by Green. Currently that Club has no license or place in the League.

So how can their "history" be "intact" if they've not got anywhere to play currently?

Why would a more competitive League collapse without them?

What have they been punished for and by whom?

[joe breezy]

For the doom-mongers - nicked fae KDS as I don't have the time...

"Just want to take a minute to reflect on the fact that as of today, June 18, 2012, the old huns are dead and the new huns (1) are owned by a shady operator named, of all things, "Green"; (2) have no players, (3) have no staff, but seem likely to end up with Ally "Fat Dick" McCoist as their manager, and (4) have no league to play in.

Their support is forced to look at a effing placeholding number on the proposed fixture list and hope -- hope! -- that they'll be allowed to play in the SPL, but by god it doesn't look likely."

[Kaiser1962]

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Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

They are also a company with a UEFA club licence, without which a club cannot compete in the SPL. Nor can a UEFA club licence be transferred "between one legal entity and another" so Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

There is no way round this.

[green glory]

SPL board meeting breaking up shortly according to the Beeb's Chris McLaughlin.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...15948568023042

What was being discussed today if the vote on the Hun's SPL share isn't being voted on for another 2 weeks?

[CropleyWasGod]

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SPL board meeting breaking up shortly according to the Beeb's Chris McLaughlin.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...15948568023042

What was being discussed today if the vote on the Hun's SPL share isn't being voted on for another 2 weeks?

The Board isn't the clubs. It's the clubs that are voting in 2 weeks.

This may be just a regular Board meeting..... or may not be.

[green glory]

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The Board isn't the clubs. It's the clubs that are voting in 2 weeks.

This may be just a regular Board meeting..... or may not be.

Maybe Neal Doncaster's tendering his resignation? We can hope.

[Cropley10]

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They are also a company with a UEFA club licence, without which a club cannot compete in the SPL. Nor can a UEFA club licence be transferred "between one legal entity and another" so Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

There is no way round this.

Did you mean without a UEFA Club license?

[Ryan91]

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Did you mean without a UEFA Club license?

They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

[Cropley10]

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They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

So, they don't have a license and it can't be transferred from one Legal Entity to another but the "history" is intact.

Huns will tell you that it's just the name over the door that's changed!

[Kaiser1962]

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Did you mean without a UEFA Club license?

At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

[Kaiser1962]

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They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

About the UEFA club license?

This should be good as the matter is as clear cut as it gets.

[JohnStephens91]

July the 4th, date for your diaries! http://www.scotprem.com/content/defa...2&newsid=11440

[Gingertosser]

Press Statement ~ Rangers FC
At its meeting earlier today, the SPL Board considered a number of issues relating to Rangers FC.

EBT Investigation

The SPL Board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract.

The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.

The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its Rules.

Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13.

General Meeting

An application for registration of transfer of Rangers’ SPL share has been received. Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.

A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer.

[lord bunberry]

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At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

No doubt this was another rule that was changed at the last meeting

[Peevemor]

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Press Statement ~ Rangers FC
At its meeting earlier today, the SPL Board considered a number of issues relating to Rangers FC.

EBT Investigation

The SPL Board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract.

The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.

The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its Rules.

Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13.

General Meeting

An application for registration of transfer of Rangers’ SPL share has been received. Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.

A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer.

Excellent

[blackpoolhibs]

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At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

Aye but these are Scottish rules, not really applicable it seems when Rangers are involved. Any other country and the team that were 2nd in the division below would be promoted as soon as old huns were liquidated. There is no rule AT ALL that lets a newco into the top league in Scotland, in fact i'd imagine thats the case all over the world?

This is a shambles, and brought on by Rangers initially, but those at the top of the SPL have been trying their hardest to find some way of letting them continue in the premier division, when in any other league in the world they'd be nowhere near it, and demoted weeks ago.

Their own rules will see the huns demoted, thats the only outcome if football is to survive in Scotland.

Anything else and it will become apparent to the rest of the world, the inmates are running the asylum we call Scottish Football.

[pentlando]

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July the 4th, date for your diaries! http://www.scotprem.com/content/defa...2&newsid=11440

Independence Day too, oh the irony. It's the SPL's very own independence day, prove we are not dependant on Rangers and in general the Old Firm!

[Lungo--Drom]

Indeed totally agree. The sectarian cancer goes all the way to the top of the tree. Let us not forget that in 1997 when Tony Blair was elected as Prime Minister he could not be sworn into office until he went to a Protestant Church of England and denounced the Pope of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church and was re-Christened into the CofE. Disgusting, sectarian and pathetic that he had to go through with that charade. When that is what a Prime Minister has to go through then what chance has anyone else got? Please note my illustration above is to show the ridiculousness of the institutionalised system and is not meant to suggest either version of Christianity is superior to the other :)

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I agree, to a certain extent, but football can only deal with the footballing issues per ce and hope, indeed expect that politicians are sage enough to address the societal issues. Unfortunately, many of our politicians, of all major parties have fallen over themselves to appear friendly to the Dark forces. As we cannot wave a magic wand, the footballing authorities must apply the rules" without fear or favour". This is the defining issue in Scottish football and it's handling will to a large extent decide the future of the game. As you rightly say if the powers that be soft peddle on this issue, it will offer a startlingly negative perspective on the ability of Scottish society to deal with an issue that should have been addressed years ago. Namely that thousands of football supporters think it is acceptable to congregate and hurl sectarian abuse at their fellow citizens without anyone condemning their practices. Indeed, they seem to think it is their right!

[Ryan91]

How can there even be a vote? The New club known as Sevco 5088 (trading as The Rangers Football Club - TRFC) does not have 3 years of audited accounts, as such it is incapable of holding an SFA license which is a requirement to play in the SPL. Licenses cannot be transferred between two clubs so really the fact that it has been decided that a vote on the situation is required is beyond ridiculous - one set of rules for them, one set for everyone else. With regards to the vote does anyone know if it will be an 8-4 job or an 11-1 (which it should be) but that of course assumes that RFC (IA) are capable of voting - which they aren't as they have no ground, no players and no youth policy and as such do not meet the criteria set out by the league as to what constitutes an SPL club.

[Kaiser1962]

I would counter G that the authorities are treading very carefully and methodically towards the conclusion that Sevco 5088 cant compete in the SPL. They are giving them every opportunity to present a case but, nonetheless, seem to be inching towards exclusion. Once the process is complete Sevco 5088 will run out of time and space and may well find themself excluded, as they should be, from the national leagues.

If the above is NOT the case then I hope Dundee's lawyers are watching and take legal action in the civil courts as precedent has already been set.

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Aye but these are Scottish rules, not really applicable it seems when Rangers are involved. Any other country and the team that were 2nd in the division below would be promoted as soon as old huns were liquidated. There is no rule AT ALL that lets a newco into the top league in Scotland, in fact i'd imagine thats the case all over the world?

This is a shambles, and brought on by Rangers initially, but those at the top of the SPL have been trying their hardest to find some way of letting them continue in the premier division, when in any other league in the world they'd be nowhere near it, and demoted weeks ago.

Their own rules will see the huns demoted, thats the only outcome if football is to survive in Scotland.

Anything else and it will become apparent to the rest of the world, the inmates are running the asylum we call Scottish Football.

[Liberal Hibby]

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Indeed totally agree. The sectarian cancer goes all the way to the top of the tree. Let us not forget that in 1997 when Tony Blair was elected as Prime Minister he could not be sworn into office until he went to a Protestant Church of England and denounced the Pope of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church and was re-Christened into the CofE. Disgusting, sectarian and pathetic that he had to go through with that charade. When that is what a Prime Minister has to go through then what chance has anyone else got? Please note my illustration above is to show the ridiculousness of the institutionalised system and is not meant to suggest either version of Christianity is superior to the other :)

Um without going too far off topic - that's rubbish. Blair converted to Catholicism after leaving office. He frequently attended RC services with his missus while PM. There's enough nonsense taked about sectarianism without making stuff up.

[SteveHFC]

Newco vote - 4th of July.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I would counter G that the authorities are treading very carefully and methodically towards the conclusion that Sevco 5088 cant compete in the SPL. They are giving them every opportunity to present a case but, nonetheless, seem to be inching towards exclusion. Once the process is complete Sevco 5088 will run out of time and space and may well find themself excluded, as they should be, from the national leagues.

If the above is NOT the case then I hope Dundee's lawyers are watching and take legal action in the civil courts as precedent has already been set.

I understand that, but the rules are very clear in my opinion, the newco does not meet any of the criteria needed for ANY club to apply for the SFL, never mind the SPL.

This is making it more difficult for Dundee to prepare for the division they surely must be in next season, another case of the huns not caring who they trod on.

The SPL will have lawyers, and those lawyers surely must be telling them its an open and shut case?

[CropleyWasGod]

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I understand that, but the rules are very clear in my opinion, the newco does not meet any of the criteria needed for ANY club to apply for the SFL, never mind the SPL.

This is making it more difficult for Dundee to prepare for the division they surely must be in next season, another case of the huns not caring who they trod on.

The SPL will have lawyers, and those lawyers surely must be telling them its an open and shut case?

.. and if that is correct, due process will be followed.

We are all impatient here but, again, it has to be done the right way.

[jgl07]

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Newco vote - 4th of July.

Independence day!

[green glory]

If they've been found guilty in the dual contract investigation, then stripped titles it is. The SPL just need clarification on who to apply the punishments to, hence the time being given to provide relevant documentation etc.

I think it's unlikely the Hun is going to have their own 'big' house in order in time.

What a ****ing mess ha ha!

[SteveHFC]

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Independence day!

Shame i will be away on holiday. It could be a great day