Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[blackpoolhibs]

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[/B]Thats a bit harsh CG

One call changed everything. He phoned his best mate at the beginning of the week and when the conversation turned to Rangers the bloke on the other end of the phone broke down.

Smith told me: “I was holding the phone listening to a mate crying because he feared for his club and I knew then I couldn’t stand idle.” He made another call and said simply: “I’m in"

He's such a sucker for a sob story dontya know

What makes this more believable, is Ally was in the changing room of the club shop trying a track suit on.

[johnrebus]

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Whats to stop that guy who won the euro millions, starting a new football team, and applying to join the SPL, he has more money than Rangers?

Well, you know the saying, 'how do you make a million out of a football club'?

Start with a hundred million..............,

[hibbyfrankie]

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...os-punishment/

The way this reads to me is that Newco are not liable if they choose not to accept it. However not excepting the liabilities will probably mean no SPL. accepting the sanctions on condition of entry.

I could be wrong i am not really great at all this legal stuff.

[Spike Mandela]

Quick question regarding UEFA ban from Europe for 3 years. With newco being formed in june 2012 thus being 3 years old in June 2015 does that mean that technically with league finishing in May2015 Rangers still don't qualify for Europe in the summer of 2015 thus actually missing 4 summers of European football?

[ScottB]

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http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...os-punishment/

The way this reads to me is that Newco are not liable if they choose not to accept it. However not excepting the liabilities will probably mean no SPL. accepting the sanctions on condition of entry.

I could be wrong i am not really great at all this legal stuff.

Well, they seem to be arguing that it is the licence that is the important entity that needs to carry on, I would argue that the punishments that are attached or will soon be attached to that licence surely have to follow it. You can't very well say 'we are buying that licence, but only the good bits that come with it, not the bad!' Which is what they are trying to do.

[Caversham Green]

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Quick question regarding UEFA ban from Europe for 3 years. With newco being formed in june 2012 thus being 3 years old in June 2015 does that mean that technically with league finishing in May2015 Rangers still don't qualify for Europe in the summer of 2015 thus actually missing 4 summers of European football?

I think it does Spike. Isn't the requirement to have three years audited accounts by 31 March? If so Y/E June 2015 will not be available for the 2015-16 European campaigns since they would have to be lodged by March 2015.

[greenginger]

The Law Thoughts article is dated 18th May and since then we have seen Darlington F C relegated 4 division because they failed to agree a CVA with their creditors. This may or may not have registered with our Neil and I think it is something he needs to be forcefully reminded of.

[s.a.m]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

[johnrebus]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

Wish they would just wave them back into the SPL so that I can buy a season ticket for St James Park and be done with it all.

[Andy74]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

I don't see why - the previous Rangers can have titles stripped no problem.

The licence to play in SFL 3 can have equivalent sanctions applied than would have been the case if it was the orignal Rangers - take it or leave it should be the offer on that front.

[JimBHibees]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

Put on hold sounds awfully like the carpet being lifted and the filth brushed out of sight.

[Andy74]

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Whats to stop that guy who won the euro millions, starting a new football team, and applying to join the SPL, he has more money than Rangers?

He need to ask the club with the share to transfer it to him.

He needs some fans to watch at some stage.

Newco will have the share offered by oldco and 50,000 fans ready to come back and act like nothing has happened - only probably more arrogant than before.

[Andy74]

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Put on hold sounds awfully like the carpet being lifted and the filth brushed out of sight.

Yep. Complete the review then worry about how to impose the outcomes.

[blackpoolhibs]

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He need to ask the club with the share to transfer it to him.

He needs some fans to watch at some stage.

Newco will have the share offered by oldco and 50,000 fans ready to come back and act like nothing has happened - only probably more arrogant than before.

Ok whats to stop the couple buying East Stirling, and then asking to play in the spl? If its all about how rich you are, he'd have them pretty flush.

[Andy74]

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Ok whats to stop the couple buying East Stirling, and then asking to play in the spl? If its all about how rich you are, he'd have them pretty flush.

The current SPL share. It needs to be offered by the party that currently has it.

If he can ask oldco to transfer it to him then he'd be on his way.

[greenginger]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

I think UEFA/FIFA needs to be brought in on this one too. If the SFA needs to seek clarification over player's contracts and the New Football Club they can can enquire about the fraudulent players contracts at the same time.

[Ryan91]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
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Move along - nothing to see here, this is perfectly normal procedure.

[Dalkeith]

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Wish they would just wave them back into the SPL so that I can buy a season ticket for St James Park and be done with it all.

not decided if ts newcastle/sunderland or Newtongrange star for me

[ancienthibby]

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I think UEFA/FIFA needs to be brought in on this one too. If the SFA needs to seek clarification over player's contracts and the New Football Club they can can enquire about the fraudulent players contracts at the same time.

Update on BBC blog by Chrismac - puts a different slant on things:

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  #SPL source: Part of newco application for membership could depend on them taking responsibility for possible past transgressions. #Rangers @BBCchrismclaug 32 minutes ago
  
  
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[JimBHibees]

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Yep. Complete the review then worry about how to impose the outcomes.

Exactly, absolutely no reason for this decision at this stage as it could effectively make the vote null and void in that if they are clearly found guilty then it would make the decision alot easier. That this hasnt happened means to me that the Authorities dont want a clear mandate to vote them out. Only in Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

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I think UEFA/FIFA needs to be brought in on this one too. If the SFA needs to seek clarification over player's contracts and the New Football Club they can can enquire about the fraudulent players contracts at the same time.

Completely agree as the longer this goes on it is becoming clearer by the day that the Authorities in this country are petrified to make a decision which might punish Rangers appropriately.

[StevieC]

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Wish they would just wave them back into the SPL so that I can buy a season ticket for St James Park and be done with it all.

Buy one anyway, that's what I've done.
Looking forward to some European football, which is more than any hun can do at the moment.

[JimBHibees]

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Update on BBC blog by Chrismac - puts a different slant on things:

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  #SPL source: Part of newco application for membership could depend on them taking responsibility for possible past transgressions. #Rangers @BBCchrismclaug 32 minutes ago
  
  
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Newco - Yes we will take responsibility.
SPL/SFA - No evidence of dual contracts.
Newco - Yippee, who do we play on Saturday.

[HibbySpurs]

Come on now fellas, we're all getting a bit pessimistic arent we

Any application to obtain a "share" in the SPL needs to be carried by an 8-4 majority as we know.....

IMVHO - the likelhood of clubs voting "NO" are this:

Hibs - 99.999999999%
Celtic - 95%
Aberdeen - 95%
Dundee Utd - 90%
Motherwell - 80%
Inverness - 65%
Hearts - 50%
St Mirren -50%
St Johnstone - 40%
Ross County - 20%
Kilmarnock - 10%
Rangers 1872 - 0.00000001% (always a chance)

With various fan groups from even the lower fancied teams on my list now ramping up support for a "no" vote (Hearts) my personal opinion is that "fan power" is going to hammer the nail in The Rangers Football Club 2012 coffin.

The punters on the side of right dont even need a majority here, just 5 of them to say bye bye, I think the top 4 will say "no" so it only takes a bout of conscience from one other chairman on the day to send them packing.

Keep the faith

[Twa Cairpets]

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Exactly, absolutely no reason for this decision at this stage as it could effectively make the vote null and void in that if they are clearly found guilty then it would make the decision alot easier. That this hasnt happened means to me that the Authorities dont want a clear mandate to vote them out. Only in Scotland.

I think there is a flip of this though.

Any anti-Hun decision while there is still a lot of uncertainty is clearly going to be appealed by Mordor. While the appeal process trundles on - legal or administrative - you cant hoy the manky ******** off the cliff. Letting the non-football legalities play out is pretty important I'd sayto avoid making a decision although morally correct is legally challengeable.
That said, I think Doncaster is fud off the first water so maybe I'm giving him/them too much credit.

[Bighoose]

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport

We're all going to be long in our graves before this is resolved
Hopefully our great-grandchildren will keep the the thread alive until justice is served.

Sad but no one will be surprised by this annoucement. Spineless the lot of them.

[Terrymac]

Smith, the SFA, Everton and EBTs

Posted on 15 June, 2012 by Paul67
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Walter Smith was not named by BBC’s Mark Daly as a recipient of an Employee Benefit Trust in the recent documentary, however, before this matter is put to bed I expect more names to emerge. As soon as Smith makes himself available to a proper journalist he will be asked:

Did he receive EBT loan payments from Rangers?

If so:

Did he repay those loans or hold his cash while the club ran out of money and died?

Was he in receipt of a letter from Rangers confirming he was not required to repay?

Did his then employers, the Scottish FA, know he was perhaps receiving money from a member club while employed by them?

Are SFA employees contractually inhibited from taking payments from a member club or required to inform the SFA board of any payments received by a member club?

Did his earlier employers, Everton FC, know if he was receiving money from another club while employed by them?

Was Smith contractually inhibited from taking payments from another club or required to inform Everton of any payments received from another club?

As manager of Rangers, was he involved negotiations with players who had EBTs or was he another one who concentrated on administrative and legislative duties?

Was he one of the men SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, suggested failed to reveal side contracts to the Rangers board?

Rangers’ liquidators, BDO, will forensically pour over most of these questions, so Smith’s answers will be verifiable.

No one who played an active part in Rangers EBT scandal will come out of this clean. The ramifications multiply if Rangers were discretely paying any senior employee of another club.

I simply cannot imagine the justification for a member club discretely paying a senior employee of the SFA.

[HibbySpurs]

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I think there is a flip of this though.

Any anti-Hun decision while there is still a lot of uncertainty is clearly going to be appealed by Mordor. While the appeal process trundles on - legal or administrative - you cant hoy the manky ******** off the cliff. Letting the non-football legalities play out is pretty important I'd sayto avoid making a decision although morally correct is legally challengeable.
That said, I think Doncaster is fud off the first water so maybe I'm giving him/them too much credit.

Hang on, have I missed something? We are talking about the vote to admit The Rangers Football Club into the SPL?

The share that Rangers 1872 owns is effectively useless as that organisation is going to be liquidated, all the wrong doings were by this organisation. The Rangers Fottbal Club 2012 is applying for membership to the SPL organisation as NEW COMPANY. The SPL as a private organisation have the right to either grant membership OR refuse it.

The Rangers Football Club can not appeal this decision on the grounds that Rangers 1872 were later found "not guilty" as they are two completely sperate entities.

BTW - If I've jumped in on anothe rissue and through my laziness of not being bothered to read the relevant comments I apologise and accept my egg on face

[BarneyK]

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Update on BBC blog by Chrismac - puts a different slant on things:

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  #SPL source: Part of newco application for membership could depend on them taking responsibility for possible past transgressions. #Rangers @BBCchrismclaug 32 minutes ago
  
  
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I find it remarkable that this even has to be said. So they are to be asked permission for a potential punishment?

[Paisley Hibby]

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Come on now fellas, we're all getting a bit pessimistic arent we

Any application to obtain a "share" in the SPL needs to be carried by an 8-4 majority as we know.....

IMVHO - the likelhood of clubs voting "NO" are this:

Hibs - 99.999999999%
Celtic - 95%
Aberdeen - 95%
Dundee Utd - 90%
Motherwell - 80%
Inverness - 65%
Hearts - 50%
St Mirren -50%
St Johnstone - 40%
Ross County - 20%
Kilmarnock - 10%
Rangers 1872 - 0.00000001% (always a chance)

With various fan groups from even the lower fancied teams on my list now ramping up support for a "no" vote (Hearts) my personal opinion is that "fan power" is going to hammer the nail in The Rangers Football Club 2012 coffin.

The punters on the side of right dont even need a majority here, just 5 of them to say bye bye, I think the top 4 will say "no" so it only takes a bout of conscience from one other chairman on the day to send them packing.

Keep the faith

Hope you'rte right. However, I think there's more chance of the Oldco voting no than there is of Kilmarnock voting no