Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

***Northernhibee*** · 12-06-2012 04:41 PM

Came up with this little ditty on my way home from work:

If you go down to the woods today you're sure of a big surprise,
The Teddy Bears of Govan are trying to dry their eyes,
Because Murray, Greene and Craigie Whyte,
Left Glasgow Rangers in the s***e,
Today's the day that Rangers are liquidaaaated

**Dave-O** · 12-06-2012 04:42 PM

Take it away Wullie.....

...

**H18sry** · 12-06-2012 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Andy74

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I'm not so sure we will vote no. We've talked about sporting integrity and all that but that could equally mean applying sanctions.

But the vote will just be a yes or no, it won't be multiple choice, based on sanctions.

**iwasthere1972** · 12-06-2012 04:42 PM

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Hun next to me just left the building, probably heading to buy a noose.

Couldn't be a noose. Huns can't read.

**ScottB** · 12-06-2012 04:43 PM

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Rangers will not get a vote. They will have ceased to exist until such time as they are re-instated. No statement from the SPL (Neil Doncaster) will convince me of this. If and when Rangers are liquidated, there will be a vacancy. It will either be a Rangers Newco or Dundee. I would like to see a legal opinion on that one.

There is no way that St Johnstone will vote against Rangers. I would hope that Inverness will vote against them based on recent statements regarding Rangers court action.

My best bets for rejecting Rangers are:

Hibs (based on Petrie's statements)
Celtic (their support would flay them if they voted yes and they do like to appear squeeky clean)
Aberdeen (past emnity with Rangers and fans vehemently opposed)

Mayby vote no includes:

St Mirren (reaction to the dodgy take-over effort)
Dundee United (appear to be hedging their bets)
Inverness (annoyed about appeal to Court of Session also likely to lose less than some)
Ross County (as above)

Likely to vote for Rangers:

St Johnstone (Steve Brown-nose is in charge)
Hearts (They are next in line for HMRC)
Motherwell (They have most to lose financially)
Kilmarnock (As Motherwell)

Hopfully there will be no more than a 6-5 vote in favour of admitting Rangers.

I'd switch Ross County to the for Rangers groups, given their current Director of Footballs Rangers roots, EBT payments and all. Motherwell I could see being in the No group though, supposedly they've sold a lot more season tickets for this season with the prospect of Champions League football, while I guess newco Rangers wouldn't stop them getting more of that, they will likely have less of an income drop than was originally supposed if they aren't there...

**allezsauzee** · 12-06-2012 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by ScottB

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I'd switch Ross County to the for Rangers groups, given their current Director of Footballs Rangers roots, EBT payments and all. Motherwell I could see being in the No group though, supposedly they've sold a lot more season tickets for this season with the prospect of Champions League football, while I guess newco Rangers wouldn't stop them getting more of that, they will likely have less of an income drop than was originally supposed if they aren't there...

I'm not sure Motherwell do have the most to lose financially. They are the most likely to benefit from the extra prize money that finishing 2nd earns you as things stand. Not to mention the Champions League Qualifier that they'll play in. They could some decent TV money if they draw a big name.

**HibeeDave** · 12-06-2012 04:58 PM

What if green and newco buy St Mirren, rename them and relocate them much in the same way Airdrie Utd did to Clydebank?

**ScottB** · 12-06-2012 05:06 PM

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What if green and newco buy St Mirren, rename them and relocate them much in the same way Airdrie Utd did to Clydebank?

Because Airdrie did it, there is precedent.

I'd think it more likely they buy an SFL club, like Cowdenbeath though.

**Del Boy** · 12-06-2012 05:06 PM

Not convinced hearts would vote yes, Romanov is no great lover of Rangers and they've been shafted over the lee wallace transfer.

**Hovehibby** · 12-06-2012 05:09 PM

for those of you not in Scotland, there's a sportsound special starting at 18:10

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17325775

**alan1875** · 12-06-2012 05:10 PM

1801:
Charles Green has told Rangers TV: "It's massively disappointing and I think to some extent we have been misled by HMRC.

"Duff and Phelps have consistently said to me that they were in dialogue with HMRC and that they hadn't rejected the CVA route.

"Irrespective of what I was being told by HMRC, my own advisors at Deloitte have been in dialogue with them too.

"To see them today saying this is a 'policy decision' leaves me speechless. If that's the case, is that a policy that was invented this week?

"If not, why weren't we told that in February or March? We could have gone into a NewCo then and saved a huge amount of money and time.

"It would also have removed the false hope from Rangerst fans. There is no possible way that this is better for creditors."

Odd how Green didn't know that it was policy for HMRC to not accept CVA's for football teams in instances like Ranger's, yet 90% of folk on here knew.....

he must surely be yet another corrupt trumpet....

***SteveHFC*** · 12-06-2012 05:10 PM

**Hovehibby** · 12-06-2012 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Del Boy

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Not convinced hearts would vote yes, Romanov is no great lover of Rangers and they've been shafted over the lee wallace transfer.

Agree, they still owe Romanov something in the region of £800K. Might sway their decision. The hertz fans i know are opposed to voting yes

**sauzee1966** · 12-06-2012 05:12 PM

The SPL Clubs.....Hibs included now have to make a decision over the Ibroxgate issue and decide if we take the financial hammering or let them back in. personally its a Judas situation.......I would take the hit and show we are not letting a club like that get away with conning people for years and punt them to Div 3. The Tash will vote against them....the Yams are scared stiff and will side with The Glasgow Thieves.

what do you think the SPL clubs should do??????

**HUTCHYHIBBY** · 12-06-2012 05:15 PM

Its a no brainer, could be the end for Scottish football as we know it if they are let back in with minor sanctions.

**iwasthere1972** · 12-06-2012 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by sauzee1966

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The SPL Clubs.....Hibs included now have to make a decision over the Ibroxgate issue and decide if we take the financial hammering or let them back in. personally its a Judas situation.......I would take the hit and show we are not letting a club like that get away with conning people for years and punt them to Div 3. The Tash will vote against them....the Yams are scared stiff and will side with The Glasgow Thieves.

what do you think the SPL clubs should do??????

Make a stand and just say NO.

We don't need them, we don't want them and they should be made to pay heavily for cheating their way to trophies over goodness knows how many years.

Rangers don't do walking away. Aye let's put them to the test.

SAY NO.

**VickMackie** · 12-06-2012 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hovehibby

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Agree, they still owe Romanov something in the region of £800K. Might sway their decision. The hertz fans i know are opposed to voting yes

VR is trying to punt them. They're more financially attractive with Rangers in the league so it will be a definite yes, irrespective of the LW cash.

Can someone answer this?

What's to stop the SFL from simply increasing division 1 to 12 teams, adding Rangers and one other then letting Spartans into SFL3?

If they're made to join the SFL this will happen!

**iwasthere1972** · 12-06-2012 05:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WmFnuaJnZE

**VickMackie** · 12-06-2012 05:23 PM

A point I've forgotten. If the BDO investigation gets deep into the financial more do they have the authority to delve into MIH if there appears to be anything dodgy?

Do they have the right to look at personal or working relationships of secretaries? Thinking investigations into Hearts.

There must be a lot more strands here that could be followed up on.

**Dalkeith** · 12-06-2012 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

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Its a no brainer, could be the end for Scottish football as we know it if they are let back in with minor sanctions.

depends if clubs value their own fans more

**jgl07** · 12-06-2012 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by VickMackie

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What's to stop the SFL from simply increasing division 1 to 12 teams, adding Rangers and one other then letting Spartans into SFL3?

If they're made to join the SFL this will happen!

Because they would be a club short.

If Rangers are out of the SPL, then Dundee will be promoted.

Either way it would be a matter for the SFL. I would guess that putting Rangers in SFL3 woiuld keep them in the SFL for three years as opposed to one if they are admitted to SFL1.

***LancsHibs*** · 12-06-2012 05:29 PM

Just seen him.... What an absolute tool

**VickMackie** · 12-06-2012 05:31 PM

Those on RM are confident the assets will be sold whilst they're still in admin and therefore won't be available to the liquidators to flog.

This seems to answer my previous points on how they can sell them. I was under the impression they'd be liquidated as soon as the Cva was rejected.

The ***** will wriggle out and be in the SPL next year.

**cad** · 12-06-2012 05:31 PM

**DH1875** · 12-06-2012 05:32 PM

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What do you think this will this cost Hibs per season?

Would depend on the SKY deal but other than that, not a lot. I reckon, if anything we could be better off.

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I have stated I would not go back to Easter Road if a newco Rangers go straight back into SPL. (I gave up my season 2 years ago before I slit my wrists watching Hibs). I have continued to go on an irregular basis.

However, if Rangers newco do not get elected into SPL I will buy a season ticket to support Hibs and the SPL for taking the moral integrity stance. Would anyone else do the same?

Would make a good poll if anyone can do it.

So long as we vote NO I will be at ER next season. If Rangers are voted back in by the others I just wont be going to any other stadiums to watch us (well maybe the cup final

).

How the duck can they get a vote on this? No way should Rangers be allowed to vote. I know people have tried to explain by how on earth can Green be allowed to buy Ibrox, Murry Park etc...... for £5.5 million

. Surely it should all be sold off to the highest bidder for the money to be split between the creditors. Listening to sportsound it sounds to me as if a newco will just form and everything will just continue to be the same.

**keep the faith** · 12-06-2012 05:34 PM

Should we have a poll to make clear hibs nets thoughts on accepting new huns back into the spl? Otherwise we will get that so called supporters spokesman making statements on behalf of hibs supporters which very few hibs supporters actually agree with.
Hibs say no!!!!!

**McIntosh** · 12-06-2012 05:37 PM

It is no sad thing that a force of evil is in the process of dying let us hope it's ********* off spring is not a chip of the old block. Regardless of this, Dunfermline or Dundee must replace them. The son of evil must start at the begining and that is the Third division. If Hibs vote to allow them it is a betrayal for what our Great club stands has always stood for - fair play and honesty.

**VickMackie** · 12-06-2012 05:39 PM

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Because they would be a club short.

If Rangers are out of the SPL, then Dundee will be promoted.

Either way it would be a matter for the SFL. I would guess that putting Rangers in SFL3 woiuld keep them in the SFL for three years as opposed to one if they are admitted to SFL1.

They only need to add 3 teams, Including the newco to make sure there was enough teams for the whole Scottish football structure to be intact. Quite easily achieved with shuffling up the way.

It may be in the SFL clubs interest to have them go through 3 divisions but if they agreed to share revenues equally from their div 1 campaign I'm sure they'd agree.

***AlbertK86*** · 12-06-2012 05:39 PM

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It's just like a school bully being expelled. The bully was taking everyone's lunch money and buying a roast while we were left with no frills beans everyday. Just because he changes his name and offers us say 10p to every £1 he's taken, doesn't mean he's allowed back in. Boot the bullies out and take a stand.

Beautifully put.... I suggest you send this to the SFA, SPL and all the SPL chairman

Rangers - GIRFUY

GGTTH

**Hovehibby** · 12-06-2012 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=VickMackie;3260843]VR is trying to punt them. They're more financially attractive with Rangers in the league so it will be a definite yes, irrespective of the LW cash.

So are all the other SPL clubs (bar Celtic), but even if not for sale at least the chairmen will be taking this into account.

But,
Hertz and ICT have grievances with them due to money owed
St Mirren are peeved about the takeover debacle, but are the subject of a fans takeover
Dundee Utd are peeved about the legal challenge, as are ICT
Aberdeen have long-held animosity towards gers, but have to finance a move away from Pittodrie.

Yes, VR is trying to punt them, and that may sway their vote, but hopefully some or all of the above would vote no.

IMHO, all clubs should be voting no. If the rules can be bent for one club, then the whole system is flawed. It would expose Scottish football as an absolute joke if they were let back in. Let them apply to the SFL and see if they can outvote the mighty Spartans.