Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[cwilliamson85]

What way do you see the votes going? Below is how I think the voting will go.

Aberdeen - No to getting back in.
Celtic - No to getting back in.
Dundee Utd - No to getting back in.
Hearts - Yes to getting back in.
Hibernian - No to getting back in.
Inverness CT - ??
Kilmarnock - Yes to getting back in.
Motherwell - ??
Rangers - Yes to getting back in.
Ross County - ??
St Johnstone - ??
St Mirren - Yes to getting back in.

[GordonHFC]

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If New Rangers want their old clubs history as there own, fine, but they should have to take the lot, its many punishments with it. I object to the notion that they can buy just the good bits.

Also at this stage, with the Tribunal possibly likely to suspend or terminate the Oldco's SFA licence, how can there possibly be a transfer? The Newco needs to start from scratch with its own licence and apply for entry into Division 3. Anything else is simply unacceptable.

Wouldn't it be tremendous if the SFL told them to bolt as well

[CropleyWasGod]

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I was saying the very same to one of our finance folks at lunchtime. by selling off the assests at realistic prices more will be raised.

a quick question. after Thursday's confirmation that the CVA is dead, do Duff and Phelps get added to the list of creditors, or do they still get all that's due them?

As I said above, D&P will still be administrators. Plan B will be put into operation.

Their fees are secured.

[Bishop Hibee]

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Colin Hendry "the Old Firm are the SPL"
Alex Rae "HMRC have done us over"
Gordon Smith "we were told the CVA would be accepted" eh by who? your Mum.

These guys are muppets and the most ignorant men on the planet.

These morons need to get their heads out the sand. The 'wearapeepol' mentality is such that it still hasn't sunk in with most of the ******s that they are in deep crap and it's hopefully going to get deeper.

C'mon Petrie, say no to a newco

[ancienthibby]

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What way do you see the votes going? Below is how I think the voting will go.

Aberdeen - No to getting back in.
Celtic - No to getting back in.
Dundee Utd - No to getting back in.
Hearts - Yes to getting back in.
Hibernian - No to getting back in.
Inverness CT - ??
Kilmarnock - Yes to getting back in.
Motherwell - ??
Rangers - Yes to getting back in.
Ross County - ??
St Johnstone - ??
St Mirren - Yes to getting back in.

If Stewart Gilmour is still Chairman at St Mkirren, then his recent words would suggest a large NO!

[Andy74]

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What way do you see the votes going? Below is how I think the voting will go.

Aberdeen - No to getting back in.
Celtic - No to getting back in.
Dundee Utd - No to getting back in.
Hearts - Yes to getting back in.
Hibernian - No to getting back in.
Inverness CT - ??
Kilmarnock - Yes to getting back in.
Motherwell - ??
Rangers - Yes to getting back in.
Ross County - ??
St Johnstone - ??
St Mirren - Yes to getting back in.

There is no danger Celtic will vote no.

[Kato]

When will the ex-Rangers players, the (now ex) Rangers fans and the (now ex) Rangers sympathetic journalists going to realise they were shafted by one person, and one person only. Sir (but not for long) David Murray? When does their ire turn on him?

[Thecat23]

It's just like a school bully being expelled. The bully was taking everyone's lunch money and buying a roast while we were left with no frills beans everyday. Just because he changes his name and offers us say 10p to every £1 he's taken, doesn't mean he's allowed back in. Boot the bullies out and take a stand.

[Leithenhibby]

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What way do you see the votes going? Below is how I think the voting will go.

Aberdeen - No to getting back in.
Celtic - No to getting back in.
Dundee Utd - No to getting back in.
Hearts - Yes to getting back in.
Hibernian - No to getting back in.
Inverness CT - ??
Kilmarnock - Yes to getting back in.
Motherwell - ??
Rangers - Yes to getting back in.
Ross County - ??
St Johnstone - ??
St Mirren - Yes to getting back in.

The dead ones don't get a vote!! .. Do they? ...

[magpie1892]

If I was married to the state of his bird I'd be keeping my head under the parapet.

[PatHead]

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What way do you see the votes going? Below is how I think the voting will go.

Aberdeen - No to getting back in.
Celtic - No to getting back in.
Dundee Utd - No to getting back in.
Hearts - Yes to getting back in.
Hibernian - No to getting back in.
Inverness CT - ??
Kilmarnock - Yes to getting back in.
Motherwell - ??
Rangers - Yes to getting back in.
Ross County - ??
St Johnstone - ??
St Mirren - Yes to getting back in.

Dundee Utd will vote yes to getting back in but with additional sanctions.

I think most clubs will go down this route and it will depend on whether Rangers accept the sanctions or feel they would be better off in D3 "weakening" the opposition in the process. A lot of horse trading and brinkmanship will take place with both sides trying to not lose face.

[Leithenhibby]

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Dundee Utd will vote yes to getting back in but with additional sanctions.

I think most clubs will go down this route and it will depend on whether Rangers accept the sanctions or feel they would be better off in D3 "weakening" the opposition in the process. A lot of horse trading and brinkmanship will take place with both sides trying to not lose face.

I'm not so sure, we still have the "dual contracts" (maybe), and they have still to be punished for going to Court.. + BTC

Perhaps this thread will run for another month or two

[PatHead]

Alex Thompson interrupts his holiday with a blog

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...xman-walk/1899

[MyJo]

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The SPL doesn't need Rangers - several media outlets have printed reports over the last few weeks explaining the amount of money Rangers bring is isn't as much as people make out. The chances are season ticket sales will improve if Rangers are fairly kicked out

Can someone answer these questions please -

1. When is the vote of the clubs to say whether or not they want Rangers in the SPL ? (Do Dunfermline or Ross County vote?)
2. T.V deal - what happens to this ? Will it be re-negotiated if Rangers are kicked out ?
3. If Rangers are kicked out - how does that affect the other teams in the club ? Youth Teams / Women's Team ?
4. Who would take their position in the SPL if they are booted out ?
5. Will the SPL release fixtures on Monday and will the SPL kick off on time?
6. Will Rangers be banned from competing in the League and Scottish Cup ?

Thanks

1 - when it's clear that rangers are non-existing and any new club set up in thier place applies to be readmitted to the spl, your guess is a s good as mine basically.

2 - tv deal stipulates 4 old firm games a season are required, if that isn't the case then I would assume it would be withdrawn by sky/espn or renegotiated.

3 - they are all kapoot!

4 - fairest decision would be to allow dunfermline back in to the spl.

5 - spl will release fixtures with rangers there provisionally I would assume and In the event of them being booted out then Dunfermline just take over thier fixtures in the list

6 - doubt it

[KdyHby]

Hopefully, Hibs will take this opportunity to rebrand the season ticket deal

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/se...ketmemberships

[PatHead]

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1 - when it's clear that rangers are non-existing and any new club set up in thier place applies to be readmitted to the spl, your guess is a s good as mine basically.

2 - tv deal stipulates 4 old firm games a season are required, if that isn't the case then I would assume it would be withdrawn by sky/espn or renegotiated.

3 - they are all kapoot!

4 - fairest decision would be to allow dunfermline back in to the spl.

5 - spl will release fixtures with rangers there provisionally I would assume and In the event of them being booted out then Dunfermline just take over thier fixtures in the list

6 - doubt it

Dundee have prior rights under the rules. If I was them I would be preparing an application as we speak and threatening legal action if they were declined.

[joe breezy]

I'm reporting Charles Green for tax evasion based in him attempting to buy assets of a liquidated company, those assets which should be sold to help pay creditors

Not sure what will happen but worth a shot

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortform...ww.hmrc.gov.uk

[stoneyburn hibs]

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There is no danger Celtic will vote no.

Agree , not a chance as there will be far too much dough for them to lose.

Thats been about 5 hours since the news broke and i for one am gutted as i have seen not 1 Rangers fan , all i want to do is walk by and smirk.

[cwilliamson85]

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There is no danger Celtic will vote no.

Even with the presuure of the fans?

[PatHead]

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There is no danger Celtic will vote no.

Not so sure. They are pretty much guaranteed Champions League football for 3 years. They could make more from that than 2 home Rangers games a season and Rangers would bite their hands off for a 2 legged Glasgow Cup final.

[iwasthere1972]

Will we be able to see how each club voted or will it just be a case of being told how many said "Aye" and how many said "Naw"?

[GreenCastle]

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Agree , not a chance as there will be far too much dough for them to lose.

Thats been about 5 hours since the news broke and i for one am gutted as i have seen not 1 Rangers fan , all i want to do is walk by and smirk.

Disagree - Celtic will become richer without the huns - basically winning the league every year - guaranteed European Football (Champions League) - 1st pick on players wanting to play in the SPL.

Surely their fans would be in uproar if they wanted to keep them in the league also

[Hovehibby]

According to this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18410999

16:29 timestamp

der new hun will have one of the 12 votes

????????

[TowerHibs]

SPL confirm that Rangers will appear in the fixture lists on Monday and that they also get to vote to get themselve back into the SPL - so already have 12.5% of the votes they need

[Hainan Hibs]

I just don't understand how they can try to defend that club.

It CHEATED the public out of money. Money which could and should have went to schools, hospitals, public projects didn't because Rangers decided to not pay tax and go for glory instead.

Division 3 is the least they should be given as punishment.

[Andy74]

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Disagree - Celtic will become richer without the huns - basically winning the league every year - guaranteed European Football (Champions League) - 1st pick on players wanting to play in the SPL.

Surely their fans would be in uproar if they wanted to keep them in the league also

I think their joint sponsors would have a thing or two to say about it.

The fans might hate each other but the two clubs work together on a number of things and I just can't see them voting against them.

There's a lot of money and interest in the Old Firm aspect too - and long term I think they would be bored walking a league every year.

The rest of the SPL doesn't need Rangers, but Celtic do.

[Gus Fring]

Ally McCoist - "We don't do walking away" - 16th Feb 2012
The Taxman - "Neither do we" - 11th June 2012

[JimBHibees]

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Alex Thompson interrupts his holiday with a blog

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...xman-walk/1899

Absolutely superb. The succulent lamb has gone off. All tabloid lap dogs hang your head in shame.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'm reporting Charles Green for tax evasion based in him attempting to buy assets of a liquidated company, those assets which should be sold to help pay creditors

Not sure what will happen but worth a shot

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortform...ww.hmrc.gov.uk

They are not in liquidation.

There is no explicit tax evasion involved in buying a liquidated company's assets.

[alnewhaven]

Intersting that the Revenue are going after individuals http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18409172

I assume that their actions (or inaction in some cases?) are not covered by limited liability?