Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Phil D. Rolls]

You know, it's not like other leagues, in other countries haven't had to deal with things like this before. Why does Scotland have to try too hard to come up with a solution. Anything other than relegation to a lower league makes it hard for us to hold our head up in the company of other nations.

Oh wait, we stopped worrying about credibility many years ago. What other country structures their league so that two teams can maximise their income by playing each other a minimum 4 times a year?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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A decent summary of what can happen in the next two weeks:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...fortnight.html

How will this affect my house price?

[Westie1875]

Can't they just relegate them and allow the Pars to stay up, throw back in the transfer ban too of course.

[Hongkong Phooey]

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How will this affect my house price?

[jgl07]

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Can't they just relegate them and allow the Pars to stay up, throw back in the transfer ban too of course.

That is not open to the SFA.

The SPL should have docked them another 50 points before the split and all this would have been a problem for the SFL to sort out.

[Bostonhibby]

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How will this affect my house price?

I thought their demise was what all this jubbilly celebrations rubbish in the pissin rain in England was about?

[s.a.m]

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Would any potential suspension stop them from playing any games or just league games?

If it's just league games, then what's the chances of them lining up a series of lucrative home friendlies for every Saturday afternoon through the period of league suspension? They'd end up with even more money coming in!

I'm guessing that since the SFA don't run either of the leagues, but (I think) license clubs to participate in organised football, that they would be suspending their license to play. The ramifications would be for the SFL / SPL to work out. As someone else said, they would need referees.

[lapsedhibee]

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I'm guessing that since the SFA don't run either of the leagues, but (I think) license clubs to participate in organised football, that they would be suspending their license to play. The ramifications would be for the SFL / SPL to work out. As someone else said, they would need referees.

Shirley Davie Weir could pick that up where he left off?

[jgl07]

David Healy has left Rangers after the expiration of his contract.

I bet Rangers derived great benefit from paying his wages for the past few months.

[easty]

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David Healy has left Rangers after the expiration of his contract.

I bet Rangers derived great benefit from paying his wages for the past few months.

Did Rangers get any benefit from paying David Healys wages ever? He was awful!

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I thought their demise was what all this jubbilly celebrations rubbish in the pissin rain in England was about?

No you are getting mixed up with the arrest of three Romanian Big Issue sellers who were plotting to murder Liz in her bed, and feed her body to the pigs. Had it not been for Eastern Europeans undercutting wages, Rangers would have been able to contribute much more to the celebrations. It's what they would have wanted the taxes they didn't pay to be spent on.

[Bostonhibby]

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No you are getting mixed up with the arrest of three Romanian Big Issue sellers who were plotting to murder Liz in her bed, and feed her body to the pigs. Had it not been for Eastern Europeans undercutting wages, Rangers would have been able to contribute much more to the celebrations. It's what they would have wanted the taxes they didn't pay to be spent on.

Now I see, was a bit confused, all that standing about in the rain in a beer tent, just hope I haven't offended anyone with my over the top celbrations about the death of the huns and how it was nice to see Britain uniting to celebrate ............it was all them Union Jacks and beer that done it.

So the queens been fed to the pigs eh? no doubt we will see mass protests at Ibrox.

[Leithenhibby]

This situation is getting to the stage that the SPL can't try and keep them in the league, can they!!

Surely a blind man/ woman can see what is/ has been going on. Every day I get home from work to see 4/5 even 6+ pages added to this thread. I put the kettle on make a big brew and settle down to what has turned out to be very educational to say the least. (thanks to CWG & CG for that )

The very thought of them getting off lightly with this will kill our game off good and proper .. I know that many posters have said the they (spl & sfa) need to "grow a pair" and more so than ever! An opportunity to try and give us back our game can't be lost to this lot It's bordering on madness!!..

I'm off back to work and look forward to the next few pages being added...

[jgl07]

I am really perplexed as to what a part season suspension would involve?

The whole thing is already past being a farce. Scottish Football will become the laughing stock of Europe, if it is not that already.

So one team has to sit out the first 11 matches (or is it 22?). if it is 11 matches then certain teams will miss out on a home match and all the revenue associated. Will teams be offering a partial rebate on season tickets? Presumably the other team are awarded a 3-0.

Talk about sporting integrity! That is not on.

The SFA are in a total quandry. If they give a lesser penalty to Rangers then FIFA will be all over them like a rash. There is no penalty available that equates to a 12 month transfer ban. Hence it must be at least a one year suspension. An SFA Cup ban for Rangers will ensure that five SPL clubs will not appear in European competition next season.

[Just Alf]

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Would any potential suspension stop them from playing any games or just league games?

If it's just league games, then what's the chances of them lining up a series of lucrative home friendlies for every Saturday afternoon through the period of league suspension? They'd end up with even more money coming in!

As others have said, there's Refs etc to think about... the killer is though.. WHO would play them? ..... any UEFA affiliated team would put their own position in dire jeopardy! (as well as their Country's FA)..... so the best they could hope from is some back of beyond pub team from outer mongolia or something

[Hibrandenburg]

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You know, it's not like other leagues, in other countries haven't had to deal with things like this before. Why does Scotland have to try too hard to come up with a solution. Anything other than relegation to a lower league makes it hard for us to hold our head up in the company of other nations.

Oh wait, we stopped worrying about credibility many years ago. What other country structures their league so that two teams can maximise their income by playing each other a minimum 4 times a year?

This! We are the laughing stock of Europe. Even the Italians make a show of punishing corruption in league that is corrupt to the core.

If Rangers are anywhere near the SPL next year then it's good night from me. Scottish football will cease to have any meaning for me.

[Onion]

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I am really perplexed as to what a part season suspension would involve?

The whole thing is already past being a farce. Scottish Football will become the laughing stock of Europe, if it is not that already.

So one team has to sit out the first 11 matches (or is it 22?). if it is 11 matches then certain teams will miss out on a home match and all the revenue associated. Will teams be offering a partial rebate on season tickets? Presumably the other team are awarded a 3-0.

Talk about sporting integrity! That is not on.

The SFA are in a total quandry. If they give a lesser penalty to Rangers then FIFA will be all over them like a rash. There is no penalty available that equates to a 12 month transfer ban. Hence it must be at least a one year suspension. An SFA Cup ban for Rangers will ensure that five SPL clubs will not appear in European competition next season.

No team can start to compete in a league part way through - it can't be done. Who do they play, do they get any credits for the games they've missed ?

Maybe they just come back into the league for 4 matches (all v Celtic)

[Phil D. Rolls]

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This! We are the laughing stock of Europe. Even the Italians make a show of punishing corruption in league that is corrupt to the core.

If Rangers are anywhere near the SPL next year then it's good night from me. Scottish football will cease to have any meaning for me.

You have to wonder what the point is in following a competition that is inherently rigged. Our national game (and by extension our nation) has as much credibility as Pro. Wrestling.

Now I know there are votes at stake, and the fortunes of our two biggest clubs are very delicate political subjects. Surely though, there has to come a point when our leaders have to address the issue. It means us looking like a banana republic, before we have even achieved independence.

If Rangers get away with it then you have to feel some sympathy for those who see the whole set up in Scotland as a conspiracy to maintain the establishment. I fully expect Celtic to take this opportunity to finally strike back against all those years of oppression, and seize the opportunity to put their tormentors out of business. They would surely then feel that they have earned their place in Scottish society and no longer feel like outsiders.

[cad]

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Why Are We Hated In Scotland ?


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The Orcs cant help themselves ,

[Hibrandenburg]

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The Orcs cant help themselves ,

Are they for real? Are they really so naive? What a bunch of fluffs.

[jgl07]

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Are they for real? Are they really so naive? What a bunch of fluffs.

I could accept it if I felt there was even a tiny hint of self-deprecating irony.

But there isn't!

[Leithenhibby]

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The Orcs cant help themselves ,

Help ma boab ..........

"There seems to be an alarming rise in Republicanism in this country. Too many people served by self-interest, bitterness and hatred. To them, having a kick at Rangers is as good as having a kick at the monarchy and unionism."

[Brando7]

The way I see it the SPL/SFA have 3 seperate charge opportunities to kick them out the league.

Case1. Bringing the game into disripute (embargo appeal)

Case 2. Bringing the game into disripute by taking the SFA to civil court

Case 3. Possible double contracts

There I see it there is no way Rangers can dodge anything less then a suspension or expelled from the league if they do i'd be amazed!!!

How ever the way i'd like to see this is
Case 1. Embargo Stands
Case 2. 30 deduction
Case 3. Expulsion

A nice slow death :)

[Caversham Green]

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I am really perplexed as to what a part season suspension would involve?

The whole thing is already past being a farce. Scottish Football will become the laughing stock of Europe, if it is not that already.

So one team has to sit out the first 11 matches (or is it 22?). if it is 11 matches then certain teams will miss out on a home match and all the revenue associated. Will teams be offering a partial rebate on season tickets? Presumably the other team are awarded a 3-0.

Talk about sporting integrity! That is not on.

The SFA are in a total quandry. If they give a lesser penalty to Rangers then FIFA will be all over them like a rash. There is no penalty available that equates to a 12 month transfer ban. Hence it must be at least a one year suspension. An SFA Cup ban for Rangers will ensure that five SPL clubs will not appear in European competition next season.

I don't think a part season suspension is an ideal solution, but Rangers themselves have managed to engineer a position where there is no ideal solution - apart from them accepting the original sanction. My opinion is that the original sanction was just about right for the crimes they were being tried for - that of course is open to debate but both tribunals thought likewise. The signing embargo gave them the opportunity to avoid relegation but with a degree of difficulty similar to that experienced by some of the teams they cheated, and we're still looking for another punishment that puts them in the same position. A 22 game suspension would give them 16 games to save themselves and would treat the other 11 clubs equally - they all 'miss out' on a home and away game against the huns, but would be awarded a 3-0 win. There would be a spare team each week, but they could possibly arrange friendly games - in truth it's not that different from game being snowed off etc except that it's predetermined. The alternative of a full season suspension or expulsion effectively kills off RFC and, while we all think that's desirable, it was never the intention of this particular punishment. It also works regarding fixture lists and promotions with the least inconvenience to other clubs.

It might all be academic in any case because the double contracts inquiry should kill them off if they're found guilty.

Anyway, here's another good piece by Paul McConville - the guy should be on the SFA board. http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...late-tribunal/

[Hibs Class]

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I don't think a part season suspension is an ideal solution, but Rangers themselves have managed to engineer a position where there is no ideal solution - apart from them accepting the original sanction. My opinion is that the original sanction was just about right for the crimes they were being tried for - that of course is open to debate but both tribunals thought likewise. The signing embargo gave them the opportunity to avoid relegation but with a degree of difficulty similar to that experienced by some of the teams they cheated, and we're still looking for another punishment that puts them in the same position. A 22 game suspension would give them 16 games to save themselves and would treat the other 11 clubs equally - they all 'miss out' on a home and away game against the huns, but would be awarded a 3-0 win. There would be a spare team each week, but they could possibly arrange friendly games - in truth it's not that different from game being snowed off etc except that it's predetermined. The alternative of a full season suspension or expulsion effectively kills off RFC and, while we all think that's desirable, it was never the intention of this particular punishment. It also works regarding fixture lists and promotions with the least inconvenience to other clubs.

It might all be academic in any case because the double contracts inquiry should kill them off if they're found guilty.

Anyway, here's another good piece by Paul McConville - the guy should be on the SFA board. http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...late-tribunal/

A 22 game suspension would mean that every other team would have a 36 game season. one home game fewer and so would need to refund everyone who has bought a ST already. Far simpler to treat them like simple cheats and boot them out (and then continue with our imperfect 12 team league including either Dundee or Dunfermline) rather than trying to find any way to accommodate them.

[alan1875]

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The Orcs cant help themselves ,

Unbelieveable..... They are mental.... The more I read from them with each passing issue the more I want rangers to get all that's coming to them... No humility whatsoever.

The swastika didnt used to be a symbol of hate and we all have Hitler to thank for that.... Albeit to a lesser extent but In recent history, they have done an equivelant with the union jack in this country.... Madness!

I couldn't care less about religion or politics.... It's football FFS!

****my hate filled trumpet *******s

RANT!

[Nuitdelune]

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The Orcs cant help themselves ,

I nearly registered just to reply to the thread...but stopped myself in time

[green glory]

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I nearly registered just to reply to the thread...but stopped myself in time

Not advisable. The admins of Hunmedia keep a note of people's IP addresses. I hate to think what they do with that info.

Nazi *****.

[Caversham Green]

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A 22 game suspension would mean that every other team would have a 36 game season. one home game fewer and so would need to refund everyone who has bought a ST already. Far simpler to treat them like simple cheats and boot them out (and then continue with our imperfect 12 team league including either Dundee or Dunfermline) rather than trying to find any way to accommodate them.

If they can arrange a friendly they could let the ST holders into that, or offer some other compensation for the one missed game - I don't think that's an insurmountable problem. As John Yorkston said Dunfy and Dundy are already budgetting for life in the first division and unexpected promotion could cause them more problems than it would solve. Then of course you would have to decide which of the two actually gets into the SPL - I doubt if there are any rules to cover that. I think if Rangers do expire the SPL will struggle on with 11 clubs.

On the other hand, I doubt if the SPL has rules to cover suspension for part of a season either, so it may be a non-starter. The problem with this debate is that we're all biased against Rangers and would love to see them simply booted out of football. From the SFA's point of view they are just a member club that has to be treated impartially, and it has already been decided by two independent panels that the level of punishment required for the crimes under consideration is the signing embargo so they now have to find another punishment that will be neither harsher nor more lenient than that.

[Eyrie]

An 11 game suspension might be possible if it only applied to Huns home games, thus allowing everyone a home game against them.

A 22 game suspension could be interesting, as there is a possibility of relegation and a certainty of a bottom six finish (just don't tell Sky).

But I'll suggest a full season's suspension will be the outcome, with the Huns TV money and the prize money for twelfth being divided amongst the other eleven clubs to compensate for losing a home game. It will then be up to the clubs to decide how to compensate season ticket holders (probably with vouchers for the club shops).

Don't think it would be practical to have an eleven team league playing each other four times, because that would mean finding 44 match days rather than 38.