Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

**WindyMiller** · 24-05-2012 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Encouraging statement from Motherwell I think:

http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/0...nt-rangers-fc/

"We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand."

***Spike Mandela*** · 24-05-2012 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Encouraging statement from Motherwell I think:

http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/0...nt-rangers-fc/

"We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand."

The league is clearly split down the lines of teams that have their financial houses in order against those that are vulnerable to losing the income Rangers might provide.

**Lungo--Drom** · 24-05-2012 05:38 PM

Big Mo I agree with you

Michael Johnston-Hunpuppet can go ride himself. Rugby Park is a freezing dump anyway and yes I like the pies but I can buy them from a shop. Okay that's Der Hun (RFC Newco) and "We Are The Killie Boys" on the boycott list now

This is starting to make my away match budget look quite manageable

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Following the statement from the Killie chairman, Michael Johnston, who thinks that Rangers have been punished enough and no more sanctions should be taken against them, I think that supporters of all other clubs who oppose this view should boycott all matches at Rugby Park, and any other clubs that take Johnston's and Rangers side. If Johnston thinks that Rangers are key to his clubs existence, they may lose out on TV money and one or two visits of the current buns per season, but how much more would they lose if they played all season with no visiting supporters.

Tell me if you think this idea is rubbish or if you think that it might be a goer?

***gramskiwood*** · 24-05-2012 05:41 PM

Hun on Reporting Scotland "I think quite a few of them have had their fingers in the till starting from the top up"

***snooky*** · 24-05-2012 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Encouraging statement from Motherwell I think:

http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/0...nt-rangers-fc/

"We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand."

I also noted the part
"In the event that a “Newco” proposal is presented to us, we intend to fully discuss with representatives of our supporters groups, prior to making any decision.”

Well, .. well said 'Well.

***Jim44*** · 24-05-2012 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Encouraging statement from Motherwell I think:

http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/0...nt-rangers-fc/

"We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand."

It does sound hopeful but I wouldn't set too much store by what some of these chairmen are saying. In the last 24 hours the Aberdeen and Motherwell bosses have said they would 'do what is good for their clubs and good for the SPL. Why jump to the conclusion that this means taking an anti-Rangers stance. Are they not choosing their words carefully and making use of ambiguity?

**Lungo--Drom** · 24-05-2012 05:50 PM

I am starting to agree with you Spike. It is sad that some teams are in such a financially precarious position that they have to rely on the raubgold (stolen gold) brought to the sport by these crooks. I'd rather go hungry than take a penny from them. This could develop into a split in the SPL with sporting integrity on one side and poverty dodging unscrupulous fuds on the other

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The league is clearly split down the lines of teams that have their financial houses in order against those that are vulnerable to losing the income Rangers might provide.

**Lungo--Drom** · 24-05-2012 06:01 PM

And so we the fans are faced with the task of policiing this whole thing for ourselves because the SPL / SFA whoever are clearly all up to their necks in this s**t, making sure that the money machine keeps spinning. It all stinks to high heaven and everyone is probably cacking themselves in the boardrooms of every SPL and indeed SFL club as s**t like this usually heads down the way once it has hit the fan!

We the fans need to stay true to ourselves and, I don't know how but am open to suggestions, make it totally clearto the SPL / SFA and all the clubs that we will not stand by and let these money fiddling numbnuts rip us off. We all (Scottish football fans) support our various clubs for a various mix of sporting/loyalty/inherited reasons, not to be willing funders of a corrupt money machine. These clowns like Doncaster all need to wake up and understand that we are sports supporters not idiots!

:giruy:

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Does anybody really believe that the SPL are willing or capable of a thorough investigation into this matter? What are the chances of any damning documentation not being shredded by now. Doncaster has made it clear he wants Rangers in the SPL at all costs so it's unlikely that he would push an investigation to find evidence which would preclude their possible membership.

**VickMackie** · 24-05-2012 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby

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I seem to remember reading that they operate a wee bit like Lloyds 'names'. Different investors put money into different projects, each one separate from the other. So it's not so much Ticketus or Octopus that would lose out but the individuals who happened to invest in the Rangers opportunity.

This is what I find interesting about ticketus deal. They're bleating about losing their money. Surely the investment is a risk and they have no grounds for complaint?

I can understand if they have clauses but I think I read that those who invest do so in a tax efficient vehicle so they don't pay capital gains or their capital has the tax equivalent added to it. Can't remember which. Kind of ironic though!

**VickMackie** · 24-05-2012 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

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Octupus are an investment house that run various forms of investments such as mutual funds, Enterprise Investment Schemes and Venture Capital Trusts amongst other things.

These can be invested in directly or also through your pension. EISs and VCTs offer various tax reliefs and are generally used by wealthier investors who recognise that there is a higher risk involved in these investments in the hope of higher returns (think along the lines of Dragons Den).

Ticketus is one of these. I would imagine that each number after Ticketus will relate to each deal that the company has done. Assuming that the Rangers deal falls through then that will simply be £27M written off the value of Ticketus. Some of their deals will be winners and others losers. The only people that lose out are the original investors and they knew the risks were high in the first place!

Unbelievable, I reply to a post just on the previous page saying something similar!

***Barney McGrew*** · 24-05-2012 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by TrinityHibs

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You saying that Satchel might be on the take and so would have been ineligible for the cup final? Now that has the potential to be the best news ever.

Rudi Skacel has a ****in EBT, a ****in EBT, a ****in EBT

**~~MSK~~** · 24-05-2012 06:11 PM

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Rudi Skacel has a ****in EBT, a ****in EBT, a ****in EBT

**down-the-slope** · 24-05-2012 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom

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Big Mo I agree with you

Michael Johnston-Hunpuppet can go ride himself. Rugby Park is a freezing dump anyway and yes I like the pies but I can buy them from a shop. Okay that's Der Hun (RFC Newco) and "We Are The Killie Boys" on the boycott list now

This is starting to make my away match budget look quite manageable

So when we play them away we have a .net gathering in a pub and get a shed load of Browings Pies in from Aldi

***snooky*** · 24-05-2012 06:15 PM

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And so we the fans are faced with the task of policiing this whole thing for ourselves because the SPL / SFA whoever are clearly all up to their necks in this s**t, making sure that the money machine keeps spinning. It all stinks to high heaven and everyone is probably cacking themselves in the boardrooms of every SPL and indeed SFL club as s**t like this usually heads down the way once it has hit the fan!We the fans need to stay true to ourselves and, I don't know how but am open to suggestions, make it totally clearto the SPL / SFA and all the clubs that we will not stand by and let these money fiddling numbnuts rip us off. We all (Scottish football fans) support our various clubs for a various mix of sporting/loyalty/inherited reasons, not to be willing funders of a corrupt money machine. These clowns like Doncaster all need to wake up and understand that we are sports supporters not idiots!

:giruy:

Nice play on words there, LD

**Lungo--Drom** · 24-05-2012 06:18 PM

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...ngers.17683206

Jeesh, I missed all this cause I was at work all morning and only just back in the door not long ago. If you wrote this whole thing (all of it) into a Hollywood movie people would say it was too stupid and unbelieveable a story line

Originally Posted by The Herald

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Grier denies conflict of interest over Rangers

A SENIOR partner with Rangers administrators Duff & Phelps last night denied he faced a serious conflict of interest after it was claimed he had worked on the deal to buy the club with money raised from selling season ticket rights to Ticketus.

**Lungo--Drom** · 24-05-2012 06:25 PM

Oopht, never even noticed!

Maybe that could be the rallying cry and the slogan for the t-shirts?

"Ain't no s**t gonna hit these fans!"

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Nice play on words there, LD

**Brando7** · 24-05-2012 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Encouraging statement from Motherwell I think:

http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/0...nt-rangers-fc/

"We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand."

Aberdeen fans now putting the pressure on

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23871507/

***greenginger*** · 24-05-2012 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by TrinityHibs

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You saying that Satchel might be on the take and so would have been ineligible for the cup final? Now that has the potential to be the best news ever.

There was definitely tax free payments made at the PBS. There accounts to 2011 have a contingent liability noted for an assessment by HMRC which is being in part disputed .

Skacel contract with the Hearts is reported at £ 3000/week which would make him one of the lower paid 1st team squad and his deal was brokered by the player and Vlad in Lithland. Odds on the deal was the £ 3 K a week through the books and the rest straight from UBIG to his bank account.

In his court case papers he admits to being paid 290,000 Euro per year rather than the 190,000 Euro as per his contract.

Problem is who is going to look into it ? The Rangers are the main story and Doncaster has been sitting with his finger up his ass for 2 months waiting on paperwork from der Hun that the BBC seem to have sourced without too much difficulty.

I think Hibs.net need to hire their own Private Detective.

**VickMackie** · 24-05-2012 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Brando7

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Aberdeen fans now putting the pressure on

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23871507/

Excellent.

**Brando7** · 24-05-2012 07:34 PM

Very surprised Mr Green has been so quiet over the last 24hrs

**hiblander** · 24-05-2012 07:42 PM

I don´t have much to say about Glasgow Rangers....but with the way of Scottish Football and the way Clydebank, Gretna, Dundee etc have been dealt with in the past....cheerio you blue nose *******s and g`luck in the 3rd division.

See you later Juve !!!

**~~Sergey~~** · 24-05-2012 07:51 PM

Is last nights documentary on IPlayer?

I can't find it!

***Hibs Class*** · 24-05-2012 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sergey

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Is last nights documentary on IPlayer?

I can't find it!

Try here. Hopefully it works. If not, just go to last night's viewing and make sure you choose BBC1 Scotland (mine defaults to London)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_one/20120523

**ancienthibby** · 24-05-2012 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sergey

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Is last nights documentary on IPlayer?

I can't find it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...d_the_Jerseys/

**~~Sergey~~** · 24-05-2012 07:58 PM

Top banana, lads

***Leithenhibby*** · 24-05-2012 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by magpie1892

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From swallowswallow:

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wA9hzGQGs&sns=em

Part - 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0ZEBiShRA&sns=em

Part - 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKQtYiC9rG8&sns=em

Part - 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYOuKPwe-ow&sns=em

Man alive, what a ******g mess ....

***Ryan91*** · 24-05-2012 11:44 PM

Duff and Duffer are to submit a CVA proposal on Monday according to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18201352

No doubt it'll be delayed for various reasons.

***gramskiwood*** · 24-05-2012 11:53 PM

Jumping before they're pushed

**The Falcon** · 25-05-2012 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Wee Hibby

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Duff and Duffer are to submit a CVA proposal on Monday according to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18201352

No doubt it'll be delayed for various reasons.

Will the BTC contingency be included in the CVA? If not it would make it more attractive to the ordinary creditor.

***StevieC*** · 25-05-2012 07:05 AM

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Duff and Duffer are to submit a CVA proposal on Monday according to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18201352

No doubt it'll be delayed for various reasons.

"the proposal does not constitute a final offer"
(based on a £25m lawsuit against Collyer Bristow)

I thought a CVA was exactly that, a final offer?"
Can creditors accept on the basis that it includes the extra £25m in the pot and reject if it doesn't?
Surely they are not ready to produce a CVA if they still don't know the final "pot?