Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Brando7]

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From a Rangers Forum - do the bouncy it's on tapatalk so giving me my fix of watching them squirm whilst I can't get on Rangers media

"I've just watched the full 40 minute conference, with a large glass of wine. I am absolutely gutted these guys never got the club this week.

I wish someone had asked during that conference if they felt that ***** was involved with Dumb & Dumber, as I just cannot undersand them not getting it after meeting the Quantum terms!

This would have been Rangers men... with money... Getting us out of this mess.

The bottom line now basically means that we need an Abramovich and nothing else will save us.

Sorry Bears... This is a dark, dark time not only for Rangers, but also for all of Scotland and Scottish Football!"

Good time for Scotland for me :)

I have to admit maybe they would be the best option for Rangers to go with but the fact they are not offering as much money has to be the main reason they have been knocked back time & time again

Dumb & Dumber are there to get the best deal for the creditors so probably do believe they would agree they be the best deal for the football club but that not what they are employed to do, end of the day they are there to sell the club to the highest bidder to maximize money to give to the creditors.

If they are that passionate about the club then stump up the cash..believe they all mouth n no action.

All they were trying to do yesterday was put the pressure on D&D to pick them

[Jack]

Henry Clarsons piece is good with its all about sporting integrity and they've certainly destroyed that. But their financial, business and corporate integrity is shot to ribbons too and rotten to the core.

Their whole existence is built on cheating everything and everyone they come into contact with.

[DC_Hibs]

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RIH would be more appropriate as they deserve more to Rot in Hell.
Pigs

[calmac12000]

No doubt no matter what happens off the pitch today (and going by Duff and Duffer's previous form,I'd guess a lot of smoke and maybe the odd mirror) we'll be in for weeping and great gnashing of teeth as the "real victims" of this affair vent their angst at Perth tomorrow. Except it won't be angst it'll be bile, of the worst sectarian nature. There will be no reporting of it in the media by and large, in fact the Rangers fans will no doubt be lauded for their patience and loyalty (assuming of course that they don't manage to burn the odd Catholic) and the Rangers manager praised for his courage. When the truth is the mass of Rangers support think they have a divine right to cheat without reproval and even more insidiouslly to gather en masse every fortnight and chant obscenities at the Pope and/or Roman Catholics in general and anyone else who meets with their disapproval.I presume amongst the latter is anyone who does not share their 17th Century views on religious or cultural toleration. I'm guessing (hoping) that includes most of modern day Scotland. This crisis offers the whole of Scottish football a chance to break with the past, a chance aye even for Rangers and their apologists to re-form as a newco shorn of their sectarian baggage from the past. More importamtly for the game in this country to reform itself, before it suffocates under the weight of its own contradictions. I believe in the positive forces of human nature and that they can triumph over the mean spirited, selfish and nasty. The coming days will prove me right or wrong.

[stokesmessiah]

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From a Rangers Forum - do the bouncy it's on tapatalk so giving me my fix of watching them squirm whilst I can't get on Rangers media

"I've just watched the full 40 minute conference, with a large glass of wine. I am absolutely gutted these guys never got the club this week.

I wish someone had asked during that conference if they felt that ***** was involved with Dumb & Dumber, as I just cannot undersand them not getting it after meeting the Quantum terms!

This would have been Rangers men... with money... Getting us out of this mess.

The bottom line now basically means that we need an Abramovich and nothing else will save us.

Sorry Bears... This is a dark, dark time not only for Rangers, but also for all of Scotland and Scottish Football!"

Good time for Scotland for me :)

I don't know what is more flabbergasting, that he thinks its a dark time for scottish football is bad enough but to read that a hun is drinking glasses of wine really upsets my apple cart.

[s.a.m]

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Great piece by Henryclarson. It should be compulsory reading for the Chairman of Kilmarnock, St Johnston and other " Vichy" Clubs as well as Doncaster and the SFA Blazers.

Hopefully the SFA report on Rangers gives them little wriggle room, mind you if the bears try to intimidate the appeals panel it might even be the end of the road for der Hun.

I like that.

What this whole debacle is lacking, though, is a -gate suffix. So:
Vichygate?
Hungate?
Cheatgate?
Hectorgate????

[Lungo--Drom]

Calmac,

I have a friend of many years who has been a lifelong fan of football. He has lived in Ayrshire since the late 1960s having grown up in Wales and then in Nairn up in the north. He is a Kilmarnock supporter and shareholder and season ticket holder. For him it is all about the football. He is respected enough in the club circles that when he took me into the Sportsman bar after a match with all ma Hibby gear on not a word was said cause I was with him.

So to recap, he's a Kilmarnock fan and a Scotland fan and would watch and enjoy any decent game of footy even if it didn't involve his team. Here is part of the text he sent me a few days ago regarding Der Hun and their fate:

"...And R*ngers can go to hell for all I care. Serves them right."

For me this is a good guide to the sentiment of a large proportion of the normal population of Scotland. Like you I hope that this is in fact the case

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No doubt no matter what happens off the pitch today (and going by Duff and Duffer's previous form,I'd guess a lot of smoke and maybe the odd mirror) we'll be in for weeping and great gnashing of teeth as the "real victims" of this affair vent their angst at Perth tomorrow. Except it won't be angst it'll be bile, of the worst sectarian nature. There will be no reporting of it in the media by and large, in fact the Rangers fans will no doubt be lauded for their patience and loyalty (assuming of course that they don't manage to burn the odd Catholic) and the Rangers manager praised for his courage. When the truth is the mass of Rangers support think they have a divine right to cheat without reproval and even more insidiouslly to gather en masse every fortnight and chant obscenities at the Pope and/or Roman Catholics in general and anyone else who meets with their disapproval.I presume amongst the latter is anyone who does not share their 17th Century views on religious or cultural toleration. I'm guessing (hoping) that includes most of modern day Scotland. This crisis offers the whole of Scottish football a chance to break with the past, a chance aye even for Rangers and their apologists to re-form as a newco shorn of their sectarian baggage from the past. More importamtly for the game in this country to reform itself, before it suffocates under the weight of its own contradictions. I believe in the positive forces of human nature and that they can triumph over the mean spirited, selfish and nasty. The coming days will prove me right or wrong.

[Bostonhibby]

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I don't know what is more flabbergasting, that he thinks its a dark time for scottish football is bad enough but to read that a hun is drinking glasses of wine really upsets my apple cart.

Relax, he just thinks its wine, in a certain light P*ss does look like some whites.

[Jim44]

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I liked this blog post from someone called Henry Clarson. It summarises an important point for me.

http://henryclarson.wordpress.com/20...egrity-stupid/

The key to winning a battle is very often the ability to choose the weapons, the battleground and the timing. Winning a debate is much easier if you can choose the topic to be argued. Passing an exam is much easier if the candidate can choose the questions.
The debate about the fate of Rangers is currently being dictated to a large extent by bean-counters and their media apologists. They have chosen the weapons, selected the battleground, dictated the topic and are choosing the questions while the vast majority of Scottish football supporters want to conduct this debate on different grounds, with different priorities, addressing different questions and using different weapons. This must not be allowed to continue.

There is one issue which should be the only show in town. It is integrity.

There can be no escape from this. Without integrity, the game’s a bogey. Every commentator who so much as hesitates to evaluate every other aspect of the case from that viewpoint should be called to account immediately. Such people have abrogated their right to contribute to the discussion of what is best for the sport.

There is no business argument which takes precedence over sporting integrity. The entire point of the game is that players can get a fair test of their ability against opponents on a level playing field. If that fairness is corrupted, the game becomes pointless, irrelevant, redundant and a waste of everybody’s time, effort and money. The sooner a corrupt business dies, the better for every decent person. If football allows itself to be blackmailed by cheats because it isn’t prepared to defend its integrity then it fully deserves to perish.

In short, the essence of the football business is integrity. Everything else is secondary at best and irrelevant at the very least. The further the discussion moves away from the focal point of integrity, the more it threatens the well-being of the game. No journalist or broadcaster or football director or SPL functionary or SFA official should ever even contemplate denying that fair play is the be-all and end-all of professional sport.

Fairness is not about guaranteeing that one particular club will prosper in a competition just because it has more followers than other clubs. It is not about ensuring that, come what may, two clubs will always play in the top half of the top division because that’s what Rupert Murdoch’s shilling demands. Putting that another way, fairness does not permit decent professionals who have worked hard, tried their hardest and played the game to the best of their ability to accept that they are to be swindled out of their win bonuses and honours because they are plying their trade with a club which is held to be a less attractive commercial proposition than its rival. Unless there is fair play at every level of the competition, the entire exercise a complete waste of time and, worse still, a cynical fraud.

Let there be no respect for any argument which is ambivalent about the pre-eminence of the principle of integrity in professional football. To compromise that principle is the ultimate sell-out. There are few surer ways to bring about the ultimate destruction of the game than to let the customers realise that they are being completely conned and sold short. We must refuse to accept any terms of reference which relegate integrity to the sidelines or dismiss it as an impractical ideal which has no place in commercial activity.

Integrity belongs at very the core of football’s commercial activity and it has never been more important to defend it than at the present time when the Scottish game is facing its biggest test.

Bang on the money. Fair play and honesty is everything. Even in the ultra-materialistic USA, where razamataz and winning is everything they are seen to adhere to sporting integrity with their NFL pre- season draft, where the teams are allowed to sign the top players graduating from the university leagues. The process is that the least successful teams from the previous season have the first pick of the top players. I'm not sure how this actually pans out in the new season but the principle of honesty,sporting integrity and transparency are there for all to see.

[Lungo--Drom]

Good suggestions

I can't think of anymore to top your suggestions really...

Badgergate? (Ibrox = Àth Bruic, the badger's ford) and they have been badgering people.
Bluesgate, cause they have got a bad dose of the blues now, or they will have on Monday.
Teddygate.
Close-the-gate (when you leave...)

Yours were better

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I like that.

What this whole debacle is lacking, though, is a -gate suffix. So:
Vichygate?
Hungate?
Cheatgate?
Hectorgate????

[alfie]

We can only hope that when the appeals panel sits down and reviews the appeal by RFC, and then takes into account the subsequent actions of various office bearers of the club, that they will take the appropriate action and kick them out of the SFA. Hopefully they will also be liquidated as well by that point, as nobody is going to want to buy them as a going concern with that kind of history.

Obviously somebody will then buy the stadium and try to build a new club from scratch, but they will have to do it the proper way and apply to the SFA for a club licence and entry into a lower league somewhere. Presumably they will in due course rise up the leagues assuming that they retain some of their fan base to finance them, but I cant see them being the bull in a china shop that RFC and it's hangers on currently are.

Hopefully the SFA will also realise that their hands off approach to "fit and proper" people isn't working, implement some changes to beef up the procedures that the member clubs have to follow to stop another farce on the scale of RFC happening again, as well as implementing proper financial fair play rules. I'd like to think that might put an unwelcome spotlight on HMFC, but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

As so eloquently illustrated by Henry Clarson, the only thing that the appeals panel needs to remember is sporting integrity.

[alfie]

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I don't know what is more flabbergasting, that he thinks its a dark time for scottish football is bad enough but to read that a hun is drinking glasses of wine really upsets my apple cart.

Fear not, it could of course be a fine tonic wine, such as that produced by the monastery at Buckfast?

[Jim44]

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We can only hope that when the appeals panel sits down and reviews the appeal by RFC, and then takes into account the subsequent actions of various office bearers of the club, that they will take the appropriate action and kick them out of the SFA. Hopefully they will also be liquidated as well by that point, as nobody is going to want to buy them as a going concern with that kind of history.

Obviously somebody will then buy the stadium and try to build a new club from scratch, but they will have to do it the proper way and apply to the SFA for a club licence and entry into a lower league somewhere. Presumably they will in due course rise up the leagues assuming that they retain some of their fan base to finance them, but I cant see them being the bull in a china shop that RFC and it's hangers on currently are.

Hopefully the SFA will also realise that their hands off approach to "fit and proper" people isn't working, implement some changes to beef up the procedures that the member clubs have to follow to stop another farce on the scale of RFC happening again, as well as implementing proper financial fair play rules. I'd like to think that might put an unwelcome spotlight on HMFC, but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

As so eloquently illustrated by Henry Clarson, the only thing that the appeals panel needs to remember is sporting integrity.

The only snag however is that 'kings of the jungle', such as Johnston of Killie, seemed to have got their wires crossed somewhere along the line and have a totally oposing view.

[Dan Sarf]

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Good suggestions

I can't think of anymore to top your suggestions really...

Badgergate? (Ibrox = Àth Bruic, the badger's ford) and they have been badgering people.
Bluesgate, cause they have got a bad dose of the blues now, or they will have on Monday.
Teddygate.
Close-the-gate (when you leave...)

Yours were better

Closethegate?

[poolman]

[alfie]

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The only snag however is that 'kings of the jungle', such as Johnston of Killie, seemed to have got their wires crossed somewhere along the line and have a totally opposing view.

He's not part of the appeals panel though, is he?

[Lungo--Drom]

Aye, when they switch off all the lights at Ibrox and the last person out remembers to Closethegate

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Closethegate?

[grunt]

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Aye, when they switch off all the lights at Ibrox and the last person out remembers to Closethegate

Surely they will sell the gates when they liquidate? Must be worth something in scrap metal...

[shagpile]

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I liked this blog post from someone called Henry Clarson. It summarises an important point for me.

http://<u>henryclarson</u>.wordpress...egrity-stupid/

The key to winning a battle is very often the ability to choose the weapons, the battleground and the timing. Winning a debate is much easier if you can choose the topic to be argued. Passing an exam is much easier if the candidate can choose the questions.
The debate about the fate of Rangers is currently being dictated to a large extent by bean-counters and their media apologists. They have chosen the weapons, selected the battleground, dictated the topic and are choosing the questions while the vast majority of Scottish football supporters want to conduct this debate on different grounds, with different priorities, addressing different questions and using different weapons. This must not be allowed to continue.

There is one issue which should be the only show in town. It is integrity.

There can be no escape from this. Without integrity, the game’s a bogey. Every commentator who so much as hesitates to evaluate every other aspect of the case from that viewpoint should be called to account immediately. Such people have abrogated their right to contribute to the discussion of what is best for the sport.

There is no business argument which takes precedence over sporting integrity. The entire point of the game is that players can get a fair test of their ability against opponents on a level playing field. If that fairness is corrupted, the game becomes pointless, irrelevant, redundant and a waste of everybody’s time, effort and money. The sooner a corrupt business dies, the better for every decent person. If football allows itself to be blackmailed by cheats because it isn’t prepared to defend its integrity then it fully deserves to perish.

In short, the essence of the football business is integrity. Everything else is secondary at best and irrelevant at the very least. The further the discussion moves away from the focal point of integrity, the more it threatens the well-being of the game. No journalist or broadcaster or football director or SPL functionary or SFA official should ever even contemplate denying that fair play is the be-all and end-all of professional sport.

Fairness is not about guaranteeing that one particular club will prosper in a competition just because it has more followers than other clubs. It is not about ensuring that, come what may, two clubs will always play in the top half of the top division because that’s what Rupert Murdoch’s shilling demands. Putting that another way, fairness does not permit decent professionals who have worked hard, tried their hardest and played the game to the best of their ability to accept that they are to be swindled out of their win bonuses and honours because they are plying their trade with a club which is held to be a less attractive commercial proposition than its rival. Unless there is fair play at every level of the competition, the entire exercise a complete waste of time and, worse still, a cynical fraud.

Let there be no respect for any argument which is ambivalent about the pre-eminence of the principle of integrity in professional football. To compromise that principle is the ultimate sell-out. There are few surer ways to bring about the ultimate destruction of the game than to let the customers realise that they are being completely conned and sold short. We must refuse to accept any terms of reference which relegate integrity to the sidelines or dismiss it as an impractical ideal which has no place in commercial activity.

Integrity belongs at very the core of football’s commercial activity and it has never been more important to defend it than at the present time when the Scottish game is facing its biggest test.

Wonder if any hun has fathomed out 'henryclarson 'yet.

[cad]

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I like that.

What this whole debacle is lacking, though, is a -gate suffix. So:
Vichygate?
Hungate?
Cheatgate?
Hectorgate????

I could be here a while

Wattygate
Rammedgate
Cashgate
Readygate
Noreadytgate
Yourkiddingate
Nosurrendergate
Followgate
Iusedtofollowgate
Wedontcaregate
Howmuchagate
Superallyisabullygate
Sashgate
Nomoregates
Beargate
Devilsgate
Auctiongate
Troubleaheadgate
Hahahahahahahagate
Greengate
Nevernevergate
Departuregate

[BarneyK]

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Wonder if any hun has fathomed out 'henryclarson 'yet.

Honestly didnae occur to me. Mind you, a quick Google on the fella confirms his Celtic-mindedness. Still fair enough, mind.

[ancienthibby]

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I could be here a while

Wattygate
Rammedgate
Cashgate
Readygate
Noreadytgate
Yourkiddingate
Nosurrendergate
Followgate
Iusedtofollowgate
Wedontcaregate
Howmuchagate
Superallyisabullygate
Sashgate


Nomoregates
Beargate
Devilsgate
Auctiongate
Troubleaheadgate
Hahahahahahahagate
Greengate
Nevernevergate
Departuregate

Wedon'tdowalkingawayohwaitaminutegate.

TheBigHoosemustnotclosegate.

Duff,Duffer,DuffestandDuffedgate.

[cad]

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Wedon'tdowalkingawayohwaitaminutegate.

TheBigHoosemustnotclosegate.

Duff,Duffer,DuffestandDuffedgate.

Yournogoingtobelievethisgate
Porkiesgate
Pickagateanygate
Derrygate
Wallsgate
Fathersgate
Truegate
Wellgate
Noverywellgate
Everythingmustgogate
Staunchgate
Gersgate
Weshouldhaveknowbettergate
Itoldyegate
Depressiongate

[Jim44]

What desperation does. Thread on FF:

I know its a long shot but does anyone know the guy who won over 100million , He used to work for STV 4m off him could clinch deal and it would probably only be a years loss of interest to him . Heard he supports the jags so probably not a Taig

As if this wasn't outrageous enough, by about the fifth post he was a " tight-fisted barsteward who reneged on a promise to give Largs FC £100K".

[PatHead]

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Yournogoingtobelievethisgate
Porkiesgate
Pickagateanygate
Derrygate
Wallsgate
Fathersgate
Truegate
Wellgate
Noverywellgate
Everythingmustgogate
Staunchgate
Gersgate
Weshouldhaveknowbettergate
Itoldyegate
Depressiongate

Nothing depressing about it so you better score that off the list.

Happygate
Yer******gate
Caught cheating gate

[Dan Sarf]

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Surely they will sell the gates when they liquidate? Must be worth something in scrap metal...

Naegate?

[DaveF]

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What desperation does. Thread on FF:

I know its a long shot but does anyone know the guy who won over 100million , He used to work for STV 4m off him could clinch deal and it would probably only be a years loss of interest to him . Heard he supports the jags so probably not a Taig

As if this wasn't outrageous enough, by about the fifth post he was a " tight-fisted barsteward who reneged on a promise to give Largs FC £100K".

Sheesh. Next thing you know, Fatty Foulkes will be begging Alex Salmond to tap the Qatari royal family for £50 million............

[cad]

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What desperation does. Thread on FF:

I know its a long shot but does anyone know the guy who won over 100million , He used to work for STV 4m off him could clinch deal and it would probably only be a years loss of interest to him . Heard he supports the jags so probably not a Taig

As if this wasn't outrageous enough, by about the fifth post he was a " tight-fisted barsteward who reneged on a promise to give Largs FC £100K".

The guy no a Falkirk supporter ????

[Seveno]

Liquigate.

[BarneyK]

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Liquigate.