Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Cheshire Hibee]

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See post 6966.

Cheers just emailed Mr Doncaster reminding him of his blog with the link, and asked him to make sure he reminds the chairmen of the clubs of it before they make their decisions.

[erskine-hibby]

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Can't believe Doncaster was blogging this in March when Hearts didn't pay wages. What a hypocrite!!!!!!!!!

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Financial Fair Play

Football and finance have often sat uneasily together. But with some of our clubs under intense financial pressure, it is no surprise that questions about ‘financial fair play’ have once again been raised in the context of Scottish football.

Crucial to an understanding of financial fair play, is an appreciation of why it is vital that clubs live within their means. This blog is an attempt to set out what is meant by ‘financial fair play’, and why prompt payment of players, the taxman and other member clubs is so important to football as a whole.

‘Financial fair play’ is a phrase that is often trotted out in football circles. It was one of 11 key values presented by UEFA President Michel Platini to the 2009 UEFA Congress. Its stated aim was to “restore well-being to the European club game”.

But what does ‘financial fair play’ really mean? UEFA’s explanation, in 2010, was that the concept would require clubs to balance their books over the medium term, not spend more than they earn, and operate within their financial means.

This is all seen as important for one key reason: because any club that is spending more on players than they can afford, is automatically gaining a sporting advantage over every other club it competes with. Whether the precise system of measurement used by UEFA is perfect is a moot point. But the logic behind the principle however is, I think, broadly sound. And it is this same principle that explains the position of the SPL.

To turn a blind eye, to allow clubs to continually fail to make prompt payments as they fall due, would be to allow those clubs to gain an unfair sporting advantage over all those other clubs that pay their players, the taxman and other clubs on time. That is one of the reasons why, whenever the SPL receives a request from players to adjudicate on their contracts, it has a duty to do so.

The fundamental basis of any football league is that all member clubs are treated equally. But, increasingly, leagues across the world are going further. In England, for example, the Football League routinely imposes a player embargo on clubs who fail to pay their players in full and on time. And, in League Two, clubs have accepted limits on the amounts that they can spend, relative to their income.

The whole issue of ‘financial fair play’ will no doubt continue to be developed across the whole of football. In the meantime, it is vital that the Scottish Premier League continue to treat all member clubs even-handedly.

It may put the SPL in the uncomfortable position of having to rule against member clubs in certain instances. Whenever we are requested by professional players to adjudicate on their contracts, for example, we should continue to do so. And, where appropriate, to rule in the players’ favour and to make orders for on-time payment by our member clubs.

The integrity of the entire League – and the long-term interests of all 12 member clubs within it – demands that we do just that.

More widely though, it is important that we keep the whole issue of financial fair play firmly in the spotlight. Improving our rule book and making it less likely that our member clubs end up in financial difficulty in the first place should continue to be a priority. And with this in mind, all 12 SPL member clubs will meet this Monday. On the agenda will be our existing rules on financial fair play and whether our current rule book needs improvement in the face of the financial challenges being faced by several member clubs.

If agreement in principle is reached, this could mean our clubs voting on new, tougher, rules on financial fair play at a general meeting, either in April or July this year. It will be a difficult debate. But it is vital that we do not shy away from these issues or bury our heads in the sand.

It may be uncomfortable to address these thorny problems head-on. But the long-term health and prosperity of Scottish football demands that we do just that.


Except if your name is Rangers

Neil Doncaster
Chief Executive, Scottish Premier League

Fixed it for him.

[Saorsa]

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Cheers just emailed Mr Doncaster reminding him of his blog with the link, and asked him to make sure he reminds the chairmen of the clubs of it before they make their decisions.

why no e-mail it tae them as well? Would you trust that slime ball tae dae it?

Doncaster = OF stooge

[jgl07]

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this might sound like mince, and probably something that couldn't happen too quickly. But, if the huns got emptied and the league got increased, would the extra home games have any compensation on the cash that might be lost from the loss of tv monies?

Just a thought really.

Expansion of the League would not bring any more home games. Maybe there would be fewer matches.

A 14-team League playing each other twice before a split paying each other another two times would give 13+6 = 19 home matches (the same as at present).

A 16-team League playing each other twice would give 15 home matches.

An 18-team League playing home and away would give 17 home matches.

A 20-team League playing home and away would give 19 home matches.

If the 16-team or the 18-team option were selected there would have to be either League Cup groups and/or end of season play-offs.

[Kaiser1962]

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Cheers just emailed Mr Doncaster reminding him of his blog with the link, and asked him to make sure he reminds the chairmen of the clubs of it before they make their decisions.

Rangerstaxcase.com worth a look regarding Bill Miller.

http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/

[Sexton]

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Expansion of the League would not bring any more home games. Maybe there would be fewer matches.

A 14-team League playing each other twice before a split paying each other another two times would give 13+6 = 19 home matches (the same as at present).

A 16-team League playing each other twice would give 15 home matches.

An 18-team League playing home and away would give 17 home matches.

A 20-team League playing home and away would give 19 home matches.

If the 16-team or the 18-team option were selected there would have to be either League Cup groups and/or end of season play-offs.

ah, right. Thanks for that. I didn't break it down really, it's probably been done on here plenty times too. I think I just went on the idea that more teams = more games.

[Seveno]

I am fed up with these constant attacks on Neil Doncaster. To me, he is clearly a man of integrity. Just like our beloved First Minister, he is always fighting for jobs. Just like our beloved First Minister, his own.

[James70]

Rangers(and Celtic) would walk out on the SPL at the drop of a hat given the opportunity.

It is obvious that the SPL now only exists to give the OF a platform to perform on until they find someone else prepared to take them.

I am now totally fed up and embarrassed with Scottish football and this will be the last straw for me.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Can't believe Doncaster was blogging this in March when Hearts didn't pay wages. What a hypocrite!!!!!!!!!

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Well found Pathead

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Cheers just emailed Mr Doncaster reminding him of his blog with the link, and asked him to make sure he reminds the chairmen of the clubs of it before they make their decisions.

Well Done you guys, you deserve a medal for all the hard work with the survey, and taking the fight to the SPL

[Bishop Hibee]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...gers-1-2278177

Heed John Yorkston and the vast majority of Hibs supporters Petrie.

[HibeeMG]

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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...gers-1-2278177

Heed John Yorkston and the vast majority of Hibs supporters Petrie.

Very, very interesting. Here's hoping!

[silverhibee]

FFS. http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...ngers-out.html

[HibeeMG]

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FFS. http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...ngers-out.html

Let's hope John Yorkston has more mates around the chairman water cooler than Michael Johnston!

[Ozyhibby]

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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...gers-1-2278177

Heed John Yorkston and the vast majority of Hibs supporters Petrie.

We can only hope Petrie has as much integrity.

[ScottB]

RE that Doncaster statement relating to Hearts. I doubt he'd bat an eyelid when pointed out, he's basically following the McCoist line of 'Rangers are different.'

Hearts can't break the rules, Hibs can't, St Johnstone can't, but Rangers can. That's his position. Trying to suggest that to him is only going to get a 'yes, and your point is?' out of the spineless moron.

[joe breezy]

Scottish football is corrupt if a newco Rangers are in the SPL next season

Who wants to watch a corrupt sport?

I only go to 3 or 4 games a season due to distance but I won't go back either

Every club that allows Rangers back in becomes part of the corruption

[Onion]

IMHO this is has now got the stage where there can be no good outcome from all of this. RFC are in the process of KILLING the game in Scotland because they are not prepared to accept proper punishment or to play by the rules. It is so typical of that club.

A formal split and resignations from the SPL must now be a serious possibility. If I was a CEO of a club that had run its affairs in a proper fashion but knew that some opponents could cheat their way to success (without proper punishment), I would not want to be part of that league. We talk about principles, cutting our nose to spite our face etc etc, but this is easily the most serious issue to affect Scottish Football in my lifetime.

Normally, club chairmen do whatever they want - usually driven by financial self-interest. But Petrie and every other one of the 10 need to understand that this is DIFFERENT. If they fail in their duty to "do the right thing" then it will be the fans who will be their moral compass when they walk away from the game altogether. If Hibs fail to keep NewCo out of the SPL and do not resign in protest, then I will expect and demand a refund on my Season Ticket, and will never set foot in Easter Road again. It will not be the club I grew up with, It will not be the club I have loved.

I would much sooner pay to watch Hibs play in a clean SFL where sporting integrity lives, than in a morally corrupt SPL dominated by cheats.

[Ozyhibby]

http://henryclarson.wordpress.com/20...rity-official/

Worth a read

[Ozyhibby]

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IMHO this is has now got the stage where there can be no good outcome from all of this. RFC are in the process of KILLING the game in Scotland because they are not prepared to accept proper punishment or to play by the rules. It is so typical of that club.

A formal split and resignations from the SPL must now be a serious possibility. If I was a CEO of a club that had run its affairs in a proper fashion but knew that some opponents could cheat their way to success (without proper punishment), I would not want to be part of that league. We talk about principles, cutting our nose to spite our face etc etc, but this is easily the most serious issue to affect Scottish Football in my lifetime.

Normally, club chairmen do whatever they want - usually driven by financial self-interest. But Petrie and every other one of the 10 need to understand that this is DIFFERENT. If they fail in their duty to "do the right thing" then it will be the fans who will be their moral compass when they walk away from the game altogether. If Hibs fail to keep NewCo out of the SPL and do not resign in protest, then I will expect and demand a refund on my Season Ticket, and will never set foot in Easter Road again. It will not be the club I grew up with, It will not be the club I have loved.

I would much sooner pay to watch Hibs play in a clean SFL where sporting integrity lives, than in a morally corrupt SPL dominated by cheats.

As far as I'm concerned that is the only correct option for Hibs to take and one which the club would be applauded world wide. It may even benefit them commercially in the long run.
Great post.

[Col2]

Do we know exactly what is on agenda for Mondays meeting? Is it the postponed vote re sanctions or wider?

Also do we know if a 8 v 4 majority works to approve any proposals? I would guess Sheep, us, yams, pars, united and Celtic are up for booting huns in the nuts. Any other definates?

[Ozyhibby]

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Do we know exactly what is on agenda for Mondays meeting? Is it the postponed vote re sanctions or wider?

Also do we know if a 8 v 4 majority works to approve any proposals? I would guess Sheep, us, yams, pars, united and Celtic are up for booting huns in the nuts. Any other definates?

I wouldn't consider Celtic definite's.

[down-the-slope]

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Do we know exactly what is on agenda for Mondays meeting? Is it the postponed vote re sanctions or wider?

Also do we know if a 8 v 4 majority works to approve any proposals? I would guess Sheep, us, yams, pars, united and Celtic are up for booting huns in the nuts. Any other definates?

only needs five for the financial penalties to be agreed...the higher number for other rule changes....

The big issue is whether Old Gers still exist to punish....or has that horse bolted to be NewCo before changes are effected and therefore not punishable....

You can be sure after the dust settles and new rules in place...that the next rule breaker (Hearts ?) will get the book thrown at them

[Ozyhibby]

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only needs five for the financial penalties to be agreed...the higher number for other rule changes....

The big issue is whether Old Gers still exist to punish....or has that horse bolted to be NewCo before changes are effected and therefore not punishable....

You can be sure after the dust settles and new rules in place...that the next rule breaker (Hearts ?) will get the book thrown at them

It is the license or SPL share that gets punished and that is being transferred so any punishment goes to the new club.

[Ozyhibby]

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Do we know exactly what is on agenda for Mondays meeting? Is it the postponed vote re sanctions or wider?

Also do we know if a 8 v 4 majority works to approve any proposals? I would guess Sheep, us, yams, pars, united and Celtic are up for booting huns in the nuts. Any other definates?

Steven Thompson of Dundee utd has also been talking of commercial considerations recently and we are still not sure which way Hibs will vote.
I think that the only way that they will not vote for a new club to be admitted to the SPL is for those against to threaten to resign.

[Col2]

See if they all back down, then we will never hear the end of it from Chic young and Traynor about how reliant the other clubs are on RFC. And if Hibs do vote against it but the majority go the other way I hope, no DEMAND that Hibs break ranks and tell everyone our position and how disgusted we are. That way Petrie can protect some of the attendances next year (eg don't penalise us as we were against it) AND come out with some credit on an issue which makes most of us raging with anger.

[down-the-slope]

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It is the license or SPL share that gets punished and that is being transferred so any punishment goes to the new club.

You are missing the point...if the NewCo is formed / share transferred BEFORE the rules take effect...then no punishment can be made

[Saorsa]

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See if they all back down, then we will never hear the end of it from Chic young and Traynor about how reliant the other clubs are on RFC. And if Hibs do vote against it but the majority go the other way I hope, no DEMAND that Hibs break ranks and tell everyone our position and how disgusted we are. That way Petrie can protect some of the attendances next year (eg don't penalise us as we were against it) AND come out with some credit on an issue which makes most of us raging with anger.

Whether hibs vote against it or not it'll make nae difference tae me, if Scottish fitba votes for it then I'm out, it's that simple for me. Does anybody think we'd be having all this talk of rule changes or other bull **** if it wisnae one of the OF going down the pan? Would we ****! I winnae continue tae put money in tae some as totally corrupt. What is the point of a competition in which certain teams can so blatantly cheat and get away with it? If that is the road that those running Scottish fitba choose tae go down, they'll be going down it without me and many others.

Scottish fitba run by shysters, cheats, OF stooges, bottle merchants and cowards will never see another penny from me.

[killie-hibby]

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IMHO this is has now got the stage where there can be no good outcome from all of this. RFC are in the process of KILLING the game in Scotland because they are not prepared to accept proper punishment or to play by the rules. It is so typical of that club.

A formal split and resignations from the SPL must now be a serious possibility. If I was a CEO of a club that had run its affairs in a proper fashion but knew that some opponents could cheat their way to success (without proper punishment), I would not want to be part of that league. We talk about principles, cutting our nose to spite our face etc etc, but this is easily the most serious issue to affect Scottish Football in my lifetime.

Normally, club chairmen do whatever they want - usually driven by financial self-interest. But Petrie and every other one of the 10 need to understand that this is DIFFERENT. If they fail in their duty to "do the right thing" then it will be the fans who will be their moral compass when they walk away from the game altogether. If Hibs fail to keep NewCo out of the SPL and do not resign in protest, then I will expect and demand a refund on my Season Ticket, and will never set foot in Easter Road again. It will not be the club I grew up with, It will not be the club I have loved.

I would much sooner pay to watch Hibs play in a clean SFL where sporting integrity lives, than in a morally corrupt SPL dominated by cheats.

Agree with and understand all of your points. In my case I would not ask for a ST refund, but instead would write to Hibs four days before every home game with an explanation of why my seat in row cc of the West Stand will be empty.

[Eyrie]

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You are missing the point...if the NewCo is formed / share transferred BEFORE the rules take effect...then no punishment can be made

I thought the SPL had to approve any share transfer? So it could be approved subject to the sanctions being applied, although i'm not holding my breath that the punishment will fit the crime.

[PaulSmith]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23849612/


has this been posted yet, if not then those of a nervous disposition better not read it