Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[jgl07]

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I get the impression that Paul Murray thinks that Rangers need to be strong and competitive, whereas Bill Murray will cut back the squad to the bare bones, anything to turn a profit. The latter obviously doesnae fit in with their perceived place in the footballing world

I think you have one Murray too many?

Unless it is groundhog day?

[calmac12000]

Was just channel hopping and had the misfortune to come across ESPN's eulogy to Rangers' "history" que Bill Struth etc.. In a truly amazing inversion of reality the viewer was asked to all but pray for the suffering of poor innocent Rangers fans.. Then we move to shots of Super Ally a nice weans- Jesus I'm gonna puke!

[Eyrie]

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I get the impression that Paul Murray thinks that Rangers need to be strong and competitive, whereas Bill Murray will cut back the squad to the bare bones, anything to turn a profit. The latter obviously doesnae fit in with their perceived place in the footballing world

The rest of the SPL manages to cope without any guarantees of money for playing in Europe, so with 50,000 fans every second week the Huns would be more than competitive. Wild Bill Pickup seems to realise this even if the Barren Knights don't.

[ancienthibby]

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The rest of the SPL manages to cope without any guarantees of money for playing in Europe, so with 50,000 fans every second week the Huns would be more than competitive. Wild Bill Pickup seems to realise this even if the Barren Knights don't.

Don't think so!

This is one thing 'wee bulging eyes' got right!

The overheads at Greyskull are far too high and as WBE said, there needs to be cuts of around £1 million a month to make the books balance.

Without money from Europe (critical) there will massive cuts to the wage bill (including that of Sally McWattie Junior) and hordes from the backroom staff (does a club really need 25 folks in PR??)

(Not that it has seemingly any value to all the newco RFC folks and pundits but let's remember the 100+ names on the unpaid creditors list, including you and me, the taxpayers, who might get a penny in the pound from RFC and Wild Bill made no mention of that in his statement!!)

[BarneyK]

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Don't think so!

This is one thing 'wee bulging eyes' got right!

The overheads at Greyskull are far too high and as WBE said, there needs to be cuts of around £1 million a month to make the books balance.

Without money from Europe (critical) there will massive cuts to the wage bill (including that of Sally McWattie Junior) and hordes from the backroom staff (does a club really need 25 folks in PR??)

(Not that it has seemingly any value to all the newco RFC folks and pundits but let's remember the 100+ names on the unpaid creditors list, including you and me, the taxpayers, who might get a penny in the pound from RFC and Wild Bill made no mention of that in his statement!!)

They could certainly inhabit the same planet as the rest of us fairly easily. The only problem with this is that it doesn't produce success and Rangers don't do a lack of success. They're a special case, don't you know. A debt free Rangers should theoretically manage just as well as Celtic, shouldn't it?

[BarneyK]

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I think you have one Murray too many?

Unless it is groundhog day?

Groundhog Day is very likely unfortunately Ah, you knew who I meant...

[HFC 0-7]

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But that would suggest that the other clubs are against newco's entry, and they are now getting a vote. And the Rangers fans (egged on by employees of the club) are the only ones who have openly threatened 'sanctions' against anyone.

At least it's going to a full vote which has to be the right thing IMO. Does anyone know what the majority needs to be? This is one area where I think it should be unanimous - i.e. 11-1.

I read the statement as they were thinking of rubber stamping the Newco's entry back into the SPL but their own fans could be very annoyed with their own chairmen for giving it the OK. If it goes to all chairmen and its a majority wins we will probably never know who voted for what.

[Just Alf]

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When is the bell going to ring in all this ,no more answers put your pens down ,we will give you a result shortly ,whens D day .
The best way to described Rangers IMO is that they are troublesome keek that just wont go away no matter how many times you flush ,but through time eventually it does go you just got to keep battering it with the appropriate chemicals ,

A big stick can work as a last resort!

[Caversham Green]

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I read the statement as they were thinking of rubber stamping the Newco's entry back into the SPL but their own fans could be very annoyed with their own chairmen for giving it the OK. If it goes to all chairmen and its a majority wins we will probably never know who voted for what.

The report says they feared that their clubs 'could have been singled out'. That suggests to me that it would be other fans, not their own that would be taking 'sanctions', so it would either be Rangers fans annoyed at them taking the honourable course of action or fans of other clubs annoyed at them disgracing Scottish football even more.

[HFC 0-7]

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The report says they feared that their clubs 'could have been singled out'. That suggests to me that it would be other fans, not their own that would be taking 'sanctions', so it would either be Rangers fans annoyed at them taking the honourable course of action or fans of other clubs annoyed at them disgracing Scottish football even more.

I would say probably the latter, they probably requested all clubs to be involved in the decision so that it can be seen as a combined decision by all clubs. Most of the chairmen IMO dont care that this could be a chance to move the game forward for the better, they will see it as the start of a very difficult financial period which they may need to partly fund themselves. I just dont think a lot of the chairmen fancy the posibility of a struggle financially.

[Brebners Bookie]

Dont know if this has been posted yet but Alex Thomson ( this is what a real journalist does Traynor) is saying exactly what the majority of fans in scotland feel.

The two videos are great.

http://www.channel4.com/news/miller-...eferred-bidder

It feels so weird to hear a journo asking difficult, probing questions in our world of chics, jims and billys.

"I'll tell you why it looks like a massive tax dodge, because you could continue to play in the SPL much as you were before, with very few sanctions, and other clubs that have been run properly could face relegation."

[BarneyK]

Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

[ScottB]

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Don't think so!

This is one thing 'wee bulging eyes' got right!

The overheads at Greyskull are far too high and as WBE said, there needs to be cuts of around £1 million a month to make the books balance.

Without money from Europe (critical) there will massive cuts to the wage bill (including that of Sally McWattie Junior) and hordes from the backroom staff (does a club really need 25 folks in PR??)

(Not that it has seemingly any value to all the newco RFC folks and pundits but let's remember the 100+ names on the unpaid creditors list, including you and me, the taxpayers, who might get a penny in the pound from RFC and Wild Bill made no mention of that in his statement!!)

Don't tell me you seriously expect the Daily Record to write it's own stories do you?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

That is the same Kilmarnock chairman that gave over 3 stands to Celtc supporters for their League winning party.


Commercial benefits only outweigh sporting integrity when you are so poorly supported that you have to whore yourself to the old firm, even if it means a newco old firm

[SurferRosa]

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Sandy Jardine basically threatened sanctions on the other SPL clubs who would be deemed to be 'unfair on Rangers'.

Threats incidentally which we are still waiting for him to be hauled up for. If calling for supporters to boycott other member clubs isn`t bringing the game into disrepute, i dont know what is....

...or it might just be something else to sweep under the carpet..

[ScottB]

Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.
"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.
"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."

Well if that's the case the game will die.

I made this case to a couple Gers fans at work last night, to be fair, they reckon the club deserves everything it gets, but are sure it won't happen. However they wouldn't accept my point that keeping them in the SPL at all costs will kill the game dead. I think they expect us all to just forget about it and carry on.

If this happens you are basically saying Rangers and presumably Celtic can do whatever they like, duck their taxes, spend money they don't have, outright cheat, and their league status is guaranteed no matter what, while the rest of us carry on trying to put squads together on shoestrings within the same rules that everyone and everything else have to live by.

If the other chairmen follow Johnston's desire to suck on the old firm cash **** then the SPL and everything in it deserve what's coming to them. We shall see how much commercial benefit he has in the 34 games a season there's nobody in his stadium.

[Onion]

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Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

Jees, I can't believe he said that. This is like watching the Nazis walk in to Poland. If sporting integrity is no longer important (and can be bought like any commodity) WHERE do you draw the line or is there no line ? What if the Huns were paying off referees would that be a step to far for Killie ? What if the Huns insisted on Killie throwing a game for a wedge of cash - would that be ok with Mr Johnston ? This is no man of integrity and should be no where near any business let along Scottish Football.

Manic Street Preachers - If you tolerate this then your children will be next.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

What a spineless wart. That's another nail in the coffin of Scottish Football.

I'm so glad my son is only 3, there's still a chance to undo the brainwashing and try and get him interested in a sport with integrity. If all this comes to pass as I fear it will, then I refuse to fill the SPL's coffers with any of my cash ever again.

[Onion]

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I would say probably the latter, they probably requested all clubs to be involved in the decision so that it can be seen as a combined decision by all clubs. Most of the chairmen IMO dont care that this could be a chance to move the game forward for the better, they will see it as the start of a very difficult financial period which they may need to partly fund themselves. I just dont think a lot of the chairmen fancy the posibility of a struggle financially.

Like a firing squad where there is always one blank bullet. Everyone can say, it wasn't us who did the deed

Do these chairmen and clubs actually know what they are doing and the fall out that will come their way if the Huns are given a free pass into the SPL ? Every one of them will be named and shamed as the people who effectively KILLED a national sport. Their names should be carved in stone - starting with Johnston of Kilmarnock FC.

[Spike Mandela]

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Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

If Rod Petrie said something like that I would be calling on him to resign immediately.

[matty_f]

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If Rod Petrie said something like that I would be calling on him to resign immediately.

It's a horrible sentiment and if football doesn't hold sporting integrity as its fundamental priority then there's no point in any of us going. We'd be as well going to the wrestling.

Can anyone remember Petrie's wording of the point he made on the tv debate, sure that referred to a need for sporting integrity. Hope he has the baws to stand firm to that principle.

[greenginger]

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It's a horrible sentiment and if football doesn't hold sporting integrity as its fundamental priority then there's no point in any of us going. We'd be as well going to the wrestling.

Can anyone remember Petrie's wording of the point he made on the tv debate, sure that referred to a need for sporting integrity. Hope he has the baws to stand firm to that principle.

The host put the question to Petrie.

" Does Scottish Football need a strong Rangers

Petrie's answer was , " What Scottish Football needs is sporting integrity "

Lets hope he sticks to it and convinces any waverers before the vote.

[Spike Mandela]

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The host put the question to Petrie.

" Does Scottish Football need a strong Rangers

Petrie's answer was , " What Scottish Football needs is sporting integrity "

Lets hope he sticks to it and convinces any waverers before the vote.

The SPL need all teams in a strong financial position but without sporting integrity it isn't a sport it's just a money making machine. We'd all be as well to start supporting Tescos or Morrisons.

Sometimes it would be nice to see the authorities in this country do the RIGHT thing and not just make the commercial decision.

[Saorsa]

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Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston
"We need more clarity on Bill Miller's plan for Rangers and how it will it structured.

"There is a feeling that member clubs see the commercial benefits of having Rangers in SPL, even if it is a newco.

"Member clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits outweigh that."


Shockeroony

what a cowardly spineless weasel. One vote in the bag from an OF

Dinnae forget yer vaseline Johnston

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If Rod Petrie said something like that I would be calling on him to resign immediately.

[killie-hibby]

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It's a horrible sentiment and if football doesn't hold sporting integrity as its fundamental priority then there's no point in any of us going. We'd be as well going to the wrestling.

Can anyone remember Petrie's wording of the point he made on the tv debate, sure that referred to a need for sporting integrity. Hope he has the baws to stand firm to that principle.

The chairperson on the debate was going round asking "does the SPL need Rangers?). Houston replied "yes, the SPL needs a STRONG Rangers".
Petrie was asked the same question. He ignored the question and went on to say the SPL requires sporting integrity. My understanding of Petries statement was that sporting integrity was more of a priority than Rangers being in the SPL. Petrie and Pressley were the only participants in the debate who were not sycophantic towards Rangers.

[Lofarl]

It looks like we are being stitched up. If this happens I will be getting a refund for my ST. You can call me every name under the sun. I will be done with this charade of a league. Chairmen seem to think that most people will still go, it's in the blood ain't it. Wrong. I was not raised a fool and I sense a mugs game. Hibs could collapse and go bust for all I would care about them. If our club as a sporting institution back these proposals, hell even if they do not and this newco are brought back in, I'm done.

I have followed this team since 1986. I have saw some right duff games in my time and some of the best. I have spent thousands of pounds on this club, I have endured god awful cold nights up in Aberdeen, Inverness etc with nothing to show for it bar a cold. But this would be the breaking point for me.

[smurf]

As a club we need to be seen in fighting to retain sporting integrity. Otherwise we will lose fans.

[Kaiser1962]

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If Rod Petrie said something like that I would be calling on him to resign immediately.

As would I Spike.

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The host put the question to Petrie.

" Does Scottish Football need a strong Rangers

Petrie's answer was , " What Scottish Football needs is sporting integrity "

Lets hope he sticks to it and convinces any waverers before the vote.

Thankfully Rod does not have a history of changing his view to suit anybody other than Hibs. This is one occassion when I would welcome his bloody minded intransigence.

[Mon Dieu4]

Whoever that hack is on sportscene he is a chunt and also said that commercial aspects should out weigh integrity, i dispare

[Barney McGrew]

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Can anyone remember Petrie's wording of the point he made on the tv debate, sure that referred to a need for sporting integrity. Hope he has the baws to stand firm to that principle.

I don't doubt for one second that he will stand firm.

Unfortunately, as Jonston has demonstrated already today, there will be plenty of others that will bend over and let themselves be rogered by NewHunCo for the sake of a few quid twice a season.

What the daftie won't have factored in is that they'll have another sixteen or seventeen home games to play that they'll lose even more income from if away fans decided to boycott Killie in protest to his stance.