Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Saorsa]

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Just had a quick dig into the examples cited by Doncaster: Plymouth Argyle and Crystal Palace. Both clubs exited administration via a successful CVA. So wtf is Doncaster on about? Is he just flat out, barefaced lying?

I'd have nae difficulty believing that.

[PatHead]

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Super Ally thinks the preferred bidder will be a Newco !.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17907977

Love how the Fat One states that Rangers will need to decide whether they carry on in the SPL with sanctions or go down to the 3rd Division. Arrogance beyond belief.

[JimBHibees]

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I just sent this email to the SFA, SPL and any club email address's I could find (funnily enough the SPL one bounced - anyone got a contact address) I'm taking the claim for Toppings resignation

Dear Sir/ Madam,

Hopefully this email will find itself to the most appropriate person from each of the address's listed above.

I, for my troubles am a lifelong Hibs supporter. My Father, originally from London came to study in Edinburgh and became a Hibs supporter and season ticket holder for nearly 45 years until his death. In my time, I have seen Hibs win two league cups. I can proudly say I was present at both occasions with him. I have never expected Hibs to consistently challenge for honours every season, I am aware that the financial gulf between Rangers and Celtic and the rest would make this an unrealistic expectation, I do, however continue to support my club as many other fans of other clubs choose to do so.

Recently, Rangers have went into administration - despite all the talk of new ownership etc.. it seems likely to those who can see things with some clarity that liquidation and NewCo would be the most obvious solution (no pun intended) to this clubs crisis.

This is the reason I write to you all now. You may have noticed that the board of Hibs is not listed as part of this email. I have already had correspondence from them in the first instance and would be re-treading old ground with them to include them again.

I was young, but aware what was happening to Hibs circa 1989 when we almost went out of existence. I am aware that Sir Tom Farmer is not a 'football' man and what his reasons for saving Hibs at that time were. I can see that he has ensured Hibs are there for generations to come. In this time I have watched our best talent leave so that we could 'balance' the books. I have heard Rod Petrie saying we can spend 1 penny less than we earn. I have also seen the complete redevelopement of Easter Road and the fruition of a training complex come to pass. Of these achievements I take great pride in the club I support. At times though I wish the product on the park was better, that we would have been able pay more in wages to keep our best players but some things cannot be and such is the path the board of Hibs has chosen to follow.

It is with great dismay I read and hear even the option that a liquidated club could somehow be 'parachuted' back into the top flight. I ask, what would be the point of following Scottish football if there are rules for some and rules for others? Football is a sport first and a business second. I direct you to UEFA's own financial fair play values number 1 of 11 quoted

"In everything that we do, football must always be the first and most important element that we take into consideration. Football is a game before being a product, a sport before being a market, a show before being a business."

I have watched the painful times with Hibs to abide by this very value before it was even mooted at UEFA level. Why then, are there even questions to be asked at this point about a club that in this tax year has negated to pay its tax liabilities that exceed the turnover of all but one other of the member clubs of the SPL just for starters?

Big Tax case as yet unruled upon. Double contract issues? I would assume that if double contracts are proven then the players involved were illegally registered with the SFA and illegitimately fielded - I would think this counts as cheating against every club that played against a player with a 'double contract'- Think about this in greater detail for a moment, players who may have had one chance in their career at a cup final winners medal, cheated. Clubs cheated out of league positions, revenue, honours, are more examples required?

This is a greater deal than simply a club being liquidated, this has been outright financial cheating for over a decade - Rangers, part of the fabric that makes up the SPL tv and sponsorship deals may very well be a fact, and money coming into Scottish football may very well be reduced, however given that Rangers financial doping created part of the product i.e. Sky's requirement for 4 Old Firm games a season. Does it not strike anyone as more than slightly incestous that this requirement for a product that has been borne out of illegal activities from a club should be of such high regard?

Sporting integrity cannot be bought. It can, however be sold. A recent fans survey showed the opinion of the fans - they are, in case you forget the life blood of all clubs. All I can do is state my case, I do not feel I would be able to support Scottish football anymore if our league has been 'rigged' and mismanagement of one club allowed to be 'whitewashed' because of their potential value.

In sport, I ask you all to consider carefully the choices you will make, this I feel is a seminal moment in Scottish football and implore you all to make the 'right' decisions.

Regards,

Excellent email. Well done.

[Spike Mandela]

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Love how the Fat One states that Rangers will need to decide whether they carry on in the SPL with sanctions or go down to the 3rd Division. Arrogance beyond belief.

Hope they 'choose' the third division. Despite his bluster McCoist won't fancy 3 years of his fledgling, failure of a managerial career in the wilderness.

[greenginger]

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Just had a quick dig into the examples cited by Doncaster: Plymouth Argyle and Crystal Palace. Both clubs exited administration via a successful CVA. So wtf is Doncaster on about? Is he just flat out, barefaced lying?

That about sums-up the little toad. Its time somebody put him on the spot to make him explain his down right dishonesty. On the same program he dismissed the lads who carried the SPL survey as misinformed and added that they were happy now that he ( Doncaster ) had explained things to them.

Has anyone heard how that meeting went and were they given the same bulls**t that Doncaster spouted on BBC radio.

[brydekirk]

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Excellent email. Well done.

Agree. Brilliant stuff.

[green glory]

Looking forward to the (alleged) dual contract **** hitting the fan when the big tax case verdict is announced. No timescale yet, but probably not far away. The Rangers Tax Case blog folks are keeping their powder dry at the moment.

I wonder if Sally McMoist and Wally Schmidt benefited?

[Spike Mandela]

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Looking forward to the (alleged) dual contract **** hitting the fan when the big tax case verdict is announced. No timescale yet, but probably not far away. The Rangers Tax Case blog folks are keeping their powder dry at the moment.

I wonder if Sally McMoist and Wally Schmidt benefited?

I have a funny feeling all that 'toxic' stuff will be washed away with the oldco in Bill Miller's scenario.

[PaulSmith]

"My reading of the situation is that there is no liquidation with either of the parties who are involved.
"One offer certainly involves a newco situation and very probably the other as well. I believe they both follow the incubation plan."

From McCoist today, basically they want to preserve their timeline and remain Rangers FC, therefore any retrospective punishment must be made against the 'existing' Rangers FC surely, otherwise the NewCo starts in Div 3

[Jim44]

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Just had a quick dig into the examples cited by Doncaster: Plymouth Argyle and Crystal Palace. Both clubs exited administration via a successful CVA. So wtf is Doncaster on about? Is he just flat out, barefaced lying?

What did he say about these English clubs?

[PaulSmith]

Chic Young 100% convinced that rangers will be liquidated 'very shortly'.

[hibsbollah]

Sportsound tonight.is a.disgrace. Kim Il Sung would blush at the propaganda on show.

[down the slope]

Preston " we must have a Rangers in the SPL ". they don't care if the vast majority of fans are against them getting back in the SPL, why does nobody ask what if the OF had managed to get into the English league ? .

[SneakersO'Toole]

Steve Lomas, Chick Young and Alan Preston - hold your heads in shame!

Narrow minded drivel.

[Maroonsaballoon]

Apologies for yet another thread on this but can anyone tell me whether the Glasgow mafia would retain their ridiculous 11-1 voting split should Rangers reform as a newco, or are liquidated but reform and retain their SPL status incredible as that might seem, or would that "privilege" be automatically null and void ?
This was a major topic a few weeks back but haven't heard anything about this recently or have I missed something ?

[Jim44]

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Apologies for yet another thread on this but can anyone tell me whether the Glasgow mafia would retain their ridiculous 11-1 voting split should Rangers reform as a newco, or are liquidated but reform and retain their SPL status incredible as that might seem, or would that "privilege" be automatically null and void ?
This was a major topic a few weeks back but haven't heard anything about this recently or have I missed something ?

I wrote a response to this a few minutes ago but the Admins moved your post to here and mine got lost in cyberspace somewhere. Can't be @rsed re-writing it but the jist of my reply was 'why not' considering how servile the other 10 clubs are proving to be.

[snooky]

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There will be so many twists and turns between now and the resolution of the Hun's problems that the SPL & SFA are simply damned if they do damned if they don't. On the one hand they are being castigated by the Huns for killing their club with sanctions and 'not helping them'... on the other they must be fully aware that non-OF fans and clubs will only tollerate any more crap from the penniless Huns and their aplogists. Whichever way this turns out, the SPL & SFA are going to upset a lot of people and it may even kill the game in Scotland. It would be no bad thing if UEFA were to step in to help sort out the Huns sorry mess as 1. it would get the SPL & SFA out of having to make the decisions they clearly don't want to, 2. any decision would have to be respected (like a foreign referee) and 3. would help the SFA & SPL retain some form of relationship with their members post Hun.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that the SFA & SPL position is untenable at this point. They cannot win and risk being fatally damaged by the outcome. I would be amazed if they haven't had the good sense to pick up the phone to UEFA ... but then again, this is the SFA/SPL we're talking about.

Agreed. Time to move up the ladder for a ruling. The SFA/SPL are between a rock and a hard place. EUFA (or FIFA?) should take this whole thing over, look at the facts and make a FAIR judgement. The Scottish authorative bodies are in it way over their heads.

It's like the Titanic movie .....
Cast:
RFC as the "unsinkable" Titanic
SDM as the captain "Full steam ahead & forget those weather reports"
CW as first mate (takes over the helm as soon as the captain spots the iceberg)
HMRC as the iceberg
Celtic as the Britannic (Titanic's sister ship who would later sink just like her sibling)
Other SPL clubs as all the other ships in the Atlantic (who were totally blameless but scorned for not helping Titanic)
Duff and Phelps as the band, playing on and on and on and on and .... as the ship goes down
The Blue Knights/Kennedy/Miller as the lifeboats trying to save the cream and leaving the rest to go down with the ship.

Any more?

[PatHead]

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Agreed. Time to move up the ladder for a ruling. The SFA/SPL are between a rock and a hard place. EUFA (or FIFA?) should take this whole thing over, look at the facts and make a FAIR judgement. The Scottish authorative bodies are in it way over their heads.

It's like the Titanic movie .....
Cast:
RFC as the "unsinkable" Titanic
SDM as the captain "Full steam ahead & forget those weather reports"
CW as first mate (takes over the helm as soon as the captain spots the iceberg)
HMRC as the iceberg
Celtic as the Britannic (Titanic's sister ship who would later sink just like her sibling)
Other SPL clubs as all the other ships in the Atlantic (who were totally blameless but scorned for not helping Titanic)
Duff and Phelps as the band, playing on and on and on and on and .... as the ship goes down
The Blue Knights/Kennedy/Miller as the lifeboats trying to save the cream and leaving the rest to go down with the ship.

Any more?

SDM is more like the captain of that Italian cruise liner who jumped on the first lifeboat after putting on a disguise

[CropleyWasGod]

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I wrote a response to this a few minutes ago but the Admins moved your post to here and mine got lost in cyberspace somewhere. Can't be @rsed re-writing it but the jist of my reply was 'why not' considering how servile the other 10 clubs are proving to be.

Are they? I thought the relevant decisions had been deferred.

[jgl07]

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Agreed. Time to move up the ladder for a ruling. The SFA/SPL are between a rock and a hard place. EUFA (or FIFA?) should take this whole thing over, look at the facts and make a FAIR judgement. The Scottish authorative bodies are in it way over their heads.

It's like the Titanic movie .....
Cast:
RFC as the "unsinkable" Titanic
SDM as the captain "Full steam ahead & forget those weather reports"
CW as first mate (takes over the helm as soon as the captain spots the iceberg)
HMRC as the iceberg
Celtic as the Britannic (Titanic's sister ship who would later sink just like her sibling)
Other SPL clubs as all the other ships in the Atlantic (who were totally blameless but scorned for not helping Titanic)
Duff and Phelps as the band, playing on and on and on and on and .... as the ship goes down
The Blue Knights/Kennedy/Miller as the lifeboats trying to save the cream and leaving the rest to go down with the ship.

Any more?

Ticketus as the bankers who were conned into financing the whole venture.

[Jim44]

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Are they? I thought the relevant decisions had been deferred.

Judging by your input to this thread you are clearly more knowledgeable and au fait about procedures, legalities and so on, but my cynicism tells me that this deferral is a ploy to accommodate the safe and unscathed parachuting of Rangers back in to the SPL and until I see anything to change my mind I'll stick with my mistrust of the 'other ten'. Don't bombard me with technical blurb in order to prove me wrong, just leave me smoldering in ignorant disgust.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Judging by your input to this thread you are clearly more knowledgeable and au fait about procedures, legalities and so on, but my cynicism tells me that this deferral is a ploy to accommodate the safe and unscathed parachuting of Rangers back in to the SPL and until I see anything to change my mind I'll stick with my mistrust of the 'other ten'. Don't bombard me with technical blurb in order to prove me wrong, just leave me smoldering in ignorant disgust.

Smoulder away....

Nah, I feel your pain. But read some of Cav's recent postings. The powers to dump RFC are already there.... deferring a decision to remove those powers could be a good thing.

Man, you're giving off a good heat....

[Just Alf]

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What did he say about these English clubs?

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Here is a resume of what Doncaster said on radio Scotland.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=...medium=twitter

There you go Jim... a good read

[Jim44]

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There you go Jim... a good read

Thanks. Very interesting and succinct................... I hope Rangers fail to get their 75% agreement.

[Winston Ingram]

One thing this whole thing has taught me is never to buy a Glasgow based newspaper ever again. The dozy bassa's don't even realise they are doing themselves out of a job. Why is anyone going to buy a paper when they know minutes after buying it the stories are *****?

I knew they were biased to the OF but they aren't even trying to hide it now. Thank for new Media.

[Winston Ingram]

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Ticketus as the bankers who were conned into financing the whole venture.

I'm hoping Ticketus snaffle Ibrox out of the liquidation. Instead of having a 3 yr ticket deal they get a lifetime deal

[Northernhibee]

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Agreed. Time to move up the ladder for a ruling. The SFA/SPL are between a rock and a hard place. EUFA (or FIFA?) should take this whole thing over, look at the facts and make a FAIR judgement. The Scottish authorative bodies are in it way over their heads.

It's like the Titanic movie .....
Cast:
RFC as the "unsinkable" Titanic
SDM as the captain "Full steam ahead & forget those weather reports"
CW as first mate (takes over the helm as soon as the captain spots the iceberg)
HMRC as the iceberg
Celtic as the Britannic (Titanic's sister ship who would later sink just like her sibling)
Other SPL clubs as all the other ships in the Atlantic (who were totally blameless but scorned for not helping Titanic)
Duff and Phelps as the band, playing on and on and on and on and .... as the ship goes down
The Blue Knights/Kennedy/Miller as the lifeboats trying to save the cream and leaving the rest to go down with the ship.

Any more?

Ally McCoist - a whale

EDIT: And all the Hibees heading past on a pedalo laughing at RFC sinking without a trace :giruy:

[Jim44]

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Agreed. Time to move up the ladder for a ruling. The SFA/SPL are between a rock and a hard place. EUFA (or FIFA?) should take this whole thing over, look at the facts and make a FAIR judgement. The Scottish authorative bodies are in it way over their heads.

It's like the Titanic movie .....
Cast:
RFC as the "unsinkable" Titanic
SDM as the captain "Full steam ahead & forget those weather reports"
CW as first mate (takes over the helm as soon as the captain spots the iceberg)
HMRC as the iceberg
Celtic as the Britannic (Titanic's sister ship who would later sink just like her sibling)
Other SPL clubs as all the other ships in the Atlantic (who were totally blameless but scorned for not helping Titanic)
Duff and Phelps as the band, playing on and on and on and on and .... as the ship goes down
The Blue Knights/Kennedy/Miller as the lifeboats trying to save the cream and leaving the rest to go down with the ship.

Any more?

Brian Kennedy as a stowaway

[Hibrandenburg]

What if CW, Murray and the SPL high command have all been in collusion with each other from the off? I've no real clue about the finance world but I just can't shake the feeling that all is going to plan.

[Jack]

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Brian Kennedy as a stowaway

Don't forget Seaman Staines and that Tom the cabin bhoy just smiled :-)