Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Courage, mon brave. Hector still has his cards to play.

i have this feeling that Hector will do exactly what duff & duffer want him to do :(

[Spike Mandela]

Administrators leaning more to American takeover and liquidation by sound of if, but bun fight seems to be in full swing.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eal-plans.html

[SteveHFC]

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Administrators leaning more to American takeover and liquidation by sound of if, but bun fight seems to be in full swing.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eal-plans.html

If a newco Rangers get back in the SPL. Then **** Scottish Football

[CentreLine]

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Administrators leaning more to American takeover and liquidation by sound of if, but bun fight seems to be in full swing.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eal-plans.html

I thought the American shower declared themselves out only yesterday. What a mess

[Peevemor]

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Administrators leaning more to American takeover and liquidation by sound of if, but bun fight seems to be in full swing.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eal-plans.html

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I thought the American shower declared themselves out only yesterday. What a mess

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17601438

[Bobo]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17601438

The paragraph below sums it up for me, just who the F*** do Rangers think they are?! Them and the Scottish football authorities, who bend over backwards for them, are a joke and embarrassment to everyone associated with the Scottish game!

"Meanwhile, Rangers have applied to Uefa for participation in its competitions - the Champions League and Europa League - next season despite having missed the 31 March cut-off for securing a licence and being told there would no extension granted"

[Ozyhibby]

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If a newco Rangers get back in the SPL. Then **** Scottish Football

Took a totally unscientific straw poll in the pub tonight and out of the 6 Hibs fans in my company ( 5season ticket holders) 5 of them said they would no longer be interested if the Huns got away With it.

[camhibby1]

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Took a totally unscientific straw poll in the pub tonight and out of the 6 Hibs fans in my company ( 5season ticket holders) 5 of them said they would no longer be interested if the Huns got away With it.

I've refrained from getting in to this conversation although I've read the posts. However today's news that the admins are looking at the 'possibility of a hybrid company to preserve the SPL share' is the end for me. I am writing to the Hibernian board today and after 16 years as a ST holder will not set foot in Easter Road again if this happens. This is the lowest of the low. There was an indication in last Friday's Herald that the SPL and SFA were preparing to abdicate responsibility by saying they would need to take external legal advice on interpretation of its own rules! They make the rules - they should know how to apply them.

We are talking about alleged criminal activity on a large scale here and the authorities are looking to absolve this crowd. It's an utter disgrace and every utterance in support of Rangers in its present state is a complicit acceptance of that alleged criminal activity - media et al plus the ramblings of the chairman of St Johnstone. I would also say that I do not believe for one moment that the players down the years can be absolved either. They have been active participants in all this by accepting the possible 'double contracts. They are given legal advice like all of us if we seek it. There is a simple question - is this legal?

I cannot believe either that the Scottish government can sit back and allow this mess to play itself out to the betterment of Rangers. If that's the case then it shows how rotten to the core the whole system is and that the administrators are equally culpable in it too.

Mr Petrie and the board in order to save Hibernian FC from losing a swathe of its support I suggest you speak out publicly against this whole mess in unequivocal terms.

[7 Hills]

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If a newco Rangers get back in the SPL. Then **** Scottish Football

What he said! I am lucky enough to have a relatively secure job and I have worked my way into a position where I have a decent amount of disposable income. There are plenty of other things I could be doing at the weekend (and I'm not even guaranteed Saturday games - I note that only our last game of the post-split fixtures is on a Saturday!) and I have only renewed my season ticket over the past few years through sheer blind loyalty. I should actually be seeking compensation from somewhere, as it is now apparent that at least the past ten years' "competition" has been skewed by Rangers' financial doping!

Make no mistake - if these b******s are admitted straight back into the league as a debt-free newco, I, a Hibernian season ticket holder every year since season 1992 - 1993, will have no hesitation in walking away from this corrupt game. Leave the f*****s with nobody to play.

[John_the_angus_hibby]

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I've refrained from getting in to this conversation although I've read the posts. However today's news that the admins are looking at the 'possibility of a hybrid company to preserve the SPL share' is the end for me. I am writing to the Hibernian board today and after 16 years as a ST holder will not set foot in Easter Road again if this happens. This is the lowest of the low. There was an indication in last Friday's Herald that the SPL and SFA were preparing to abdicate responsibility by saying they would need to take external legal advice on interpretation of its own rules! They make the rules - they should know how to apply them.

We are talking about alleged criminal activity on a large scale here and the authorities are looking to absolve this crowd. It's an utter disgrace and every utterance in support of Rangers in its present state is a complicit acceptance of that alleged criminal activity - media et al plus the ramblings of the chairman of St Johnstone. I would also say that I do not believe for one moment that the players down the years can be absolved either. They have been active participants in all this by accepting the possible 'double contracts. They are given legal advice like all of us if we seek it. There is a simple question - is this legal?

I cannot believe either that the Scottish government can sit back and allow this mess to play itself out to the betterment of Rangers. If that's the case then it shows how rotten to the core the whole system is and that the administrators are equally culpable in it too.

Mr Petrie and the board in order to save Hibernian FC from losing a swathe of its support I suggest you speak out publicly against this whole mess in unequivocal terms.

This for me also. I wish someone would conduct a pole into non OF fans re leaving the game if that cancerous mob gets back in in the way it is looking like. There needs to be some light put on this story in the press as those west of Scotland press ar$eholes are just ignoring it. Anyone has that C4 reporters contact derails? They are the only media outlet I can think who would do this.


Sent from another universe!

[Moulin Yarns]

11 years ago Fiorentina went bust, and had to start in Serie C2. the following is taken from Wiki, and shows the way things should happen in the case of the current Failed Rangers football club. With the exception of the double promotion, because there has never been anything like the Catania situatuin in Scottish Football, yet.




2001 heralded major changes for Fiorentina, as the terrible state of the club's finances was revealed: they were unable to pay wages and had debts of around USD 50 million. The club's owner, Vittorio Cecchi Gori, was able to raise some more money, but even this soon proved to be insufficient resources to sustain the club. Fiorentina were relegated at the end of the 2001-02 season and went into judicially controlled administration in June 2002. This form of bankruptcy meant that the club was refused a place in Serie B for the 2002-03 season, and as a result effectively ceased to exist.

The club was promptly re-established in August 2002 as Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola with shoe and leather entrepreneur Diego Della Valle as new owner, and was admitted into Serie C2, the fourth tier of Italian football. The only player to remain at the club in its new incarnation was Angelo Di Livio , whose commitment to club's cause further endeared him to the fans. Helped by Di Livio and 30-goal striker Christianl Rigano, the club won its Serie C2 group with considerable ease, which would normally have led to a promotion to Serie C1. However, due to the bizarre Catania Case the club skipped Serie C1 and was admitted into Serie B, something that was only made possible by the Italian Football Federation's decision to resolve the Catania situation by increasing the number of teams in Serie B from 20 to 24 and promoting Fiorentina for "sports merits". In the 2003 off-season, the club also bought back the right to use the Fiorentina name and the famous shirt design, and re-incorporated itself as ACF Fiorentina.





The club's unusual double promotion was controversial, with some suggesting that Fiorentina did not deserve it. However, the club remained in Serie B and managed to finish the2003-04 season in sixth place.

[JeMeSouviens]

Hun sources are attempting to bandy Leeds around as a precedent for a newco phoenix being allowed to continue in their league. The Leeds situation is incredibly murky and Ken Bates seems to operate on a level of dodginess that makes Whyte seem like a rank amateur but it would appear that Leeds United AFC Ltd, the actual football club, has continued as the same company. Its old parent, Leeds United FC Ltd was liquidated and it was eventually bought by a new parent, which also seems to be called Leeds United FC Ltd but has a different company number.

The good news for the current situation is that the main reason Bates got away with his stunt is that HMRC were a <25% creditor so tried but failed to block the sale. The Huns don't have this luxury, even without the BTC, HMRC will be comfortably above 25%.

[cad]

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I've refrained from getting in to this conversation although I've read the posts. However today's news that the admins are looking at the 'possibility of a hybrid company to preserve the SPL share' is the end for me. I am writing to the Hibernian board today and after 16 years as a ST holder will not set foot in Easter Road again if this happens. This is the lowest of the low. There was an indication in last Friday's Herald that the SPL and SFA were preparing to abdicate responsibility by saying they would need to take external legal advice on interpretation of its own rules! They make the rules - they should know how to apply them.

We are talking about alleged criminal activity on a large scale here and the authorities are looking to absolve this crowd. It's an utter disgrace and every utterance in support of Rangers in its present state is a complicit acceptance of that alleged criminal activity - media et al plus the ramblings of the chairman of St Johnstone. I would also say that I do not believe for one moment that the players down the years can be absolved either. They have been active participants in all this by accepting the possible 'double contracts. They are given legal advice like all of us if we seek it. There is a simple question - is this legal?

I cannot believe either that the Scottish government can sit back and allow this mess to play itself out to the betterment of Rangers. If that's the case then it shows how rotten to the core the whole system is and that the administrators are equally culpable in it too.

Mr Petrie and the board in order to save Hibernian FC from losing a swathe of its support I suggest you speak out publicly against this whole mess in unequivocal terms.

People say Rods a shrewd cookie, a tough businessman to deal with ," we couldn't do any better as STF said at our last AGM"
so with the expertise of STF in the background here's the big question as I see it.


Rangers, Celtic , Sky, SFA and the SPL keep or ditch , then its a number game how many walk away ,against a new enterprise and what that brings through the turnstiles ,the bigots tried and tested for 140 years feeding for the scraps ,or a new future .
I honestly dont know what would be the bigger crime regarding Scottish Football carrying on as is ,or The Rebels missing this opportunity to change what we watch every week .


Ask the fans Rod ,here's a starter for 10 , if it carries on as is, even with a better voting system ,Im no interested .
Its got to be without the baggage of The Old Firm the Suits and Sky

[lapsedhibee]

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I wish someone would conduct a pole into non OF fans re leaving the game

Funny, I was just wishing that someone would conduct a pole into Ralph Topping's jacksie.

[ancienthibby]

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People say Rods a shrewd cookie, a tough businessman to deal with ," we couldn't do any better as STF said at our last AGM"
so with the expertise of STF in the background here's the big question as I see it.


Rangers, Celtic , Sky, SFA and the SPL keep or ditch , then its a number game how many walk away ,against a new enterprise and what that brings through the turnstiles ,the bigots tried and tested for 140 years feeding for the scraps ,or a new future .
I honestly dont know what would be the bigger crime regarding Scottish Football carrying on as is ,or The Rebels missing this opportunity to change what we watch every week .


Ask the fans Rod ,here's a starter for 10 , if it carries on as is, even with a better voting system ,Im no interested .
Its got to be without the baggage of The Old Firm the Suits and Sky

Talk about vested interests!!

http://www.ralphtopping.com/about-me/

[PaulSmith]

Sfa take £35k that was due to Rangers and use it to pay Dundee United for Scottish cup tie

[greenginger]

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Talk about vested interests!!

http://www.ralphtopping.com/about-me/

Exactly, I wonder what percentage of William Hills betting business is based on Old Firm fixtures and Rangers matches in general.

Toppings position is obviously compromised and should take no further part in Rangers situation or better still resign immediately.

[Kojock]

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Mr Petrie and the board in order to save Hibernian FC from losing a swathe of its support I suggest you speak out publicly against this whole mess in unequivocal terms.

What do you want Rod to say. He can't / won't speak out about something that has not or maybe will not happen. Up till now all that is happening is the media speculating what the outcome MIGHT be , so until the Rangers situation is confirmed one way or the other Rod will stay quiet.

It is well known that Hibs / Rod won't comment until there is actually something to comment on.

[hibs0666]

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What do you want Rod to say. He can't / won't speak out about something that has not or maybe will not happen. Up till now all that is happening is the media speculating what the outcome MIGHT be , so until the Rangers situation is confirmed one way or the other Rod will stay quiet.

It is well known that Hibs / Rod won't comment until there is actually something to comment on.

It seems to me that there's lots and lots that could be commented on given the various events of the last few weeks.

[hibs0666]

I don't think the huns will enjoy being known as Continuity Rangers somehow.

[greenginger]

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Talk about vested interests!!

http://www.ralphtopping.com/about-me/

Check that Ralph Topping site . There is a direct link to his William Hill E-Mail and he is asking for peoples opinions.

Well he just got mine. Feel free to follow up and let him know what football supporters think of his biased ,self interest, and how he is an embarrassment to all things Hibernian.

[Saorsa]

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Exactly, I wonder what percentage of William Hills betting business is based on Old Firm fixtures and Rangers matches in general.

Toppings position is obviously compromised and should take no further part in Rangers situation or better still resign immediately.

Even if he did you could put yer shirt on him being replaced by another OF stooge.

[The Falcon]

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It seems to me that there's lots and lots that could be commented on given the various events of the last few weeks.

What do you think he should be commenting on?

[Hibs Class]

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I don't think the huns will enjoy being known as Continuity Rangers somehow.

I think it would be shortened to Rangers Conts. Or something like that.

[Leithenhibby]

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I think it would be shortened to Rangers Conts. Or something like that.

Now that I could live with.....

[PaulSmith]

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What do you want Rod to say. He can't / won't speak out about something that has not or maybe will not happen. Up till now all that is happening is the media speculating what the outcome MIGHT be , so until the Rangers situation is confirmed one way or the other Rod will stay quiet.

It is well known that Hibs / Rod won't comment until there is actually something to comment on.

Unfortunately then they lose the power to influence and are only seen as reactive.

[JeMeSouviens]

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What do you want Rod to say. He can't / won't speak out about something that has not or maybe will not happen. Up till now all that is happening is the media speculating what the outcome MIGHT be , so until the Rangers situation is confirmed one way or the other Rod will stay quiet.

It is well known that Hibs / Rod won't comment until there is actually something to comment on.

I take your point, but on the other hand it's not stopping the Hun stooges Neil Doncaster, Ralph Topping, Steve Brown et al having their say and building momentum behind the NewHun railroad. Here's what I would say:

"Hibernian FC notes recent reports and press speculation regarding possible outcomes of the current administration process at Rangers. It is our hope* that they can exit administration by satisfying their creditors and agreeing a CVA, thereby taking their place in next season's SPL as normal. However, we wish to make clear our position that sporting integrity should be paramount in any potential outcome. In particular, if any club in the current SPL should undergo a liquidation event and therefore cease to exist, Hibernian will only support transfer of its SPL share to either the club finishing bottom of this season's SPL or the club finishing second in this season's SFL."


* an obviously transparent lie, but PR is PR.

[PatHead]

Up until last weekend we were in severe danger of going down. The risk is still there. If our Rod had come out demanding no relegation he would have been accused of protecting Hibs interests and not carried the same weight. The time to comment is when either Rangers go into liquidation or Hibs are mathematically safe.

Still see a 14 team SPL being in place if (Rangers) require though.

[Part/Time Supporter]

The problem Hibs have got is that (according to some sources) the decision on whether to let newco Huns in is up to the SPL board, which Hibs aren't on presently.

[Leithenhibby]

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Up until last weekend we were in severe danger of going down. The risk is still there. If our Rod had come out demanding no relegation he would have been accused of protecting Hibs interests and not carried the same weight. The time to comment is when either Rangers go into liquidation or Hibs are mathematically safe.

Still see a 14 team SPL being in place if (Rangers) require though.

Got to be said, that we still have too many - "If, but's & Maybe's" for my liking.

Until everything is sorted with the Huns, RP keeps it shut.

His time will come, and by the sounds of it it will be real soon