David "spotty" Rowland

[Twiglet]

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Are you sure that Rowland is "the new Tory Party Chairman"? He was appointed Treasurer in 2010, but had to resign shortly after because of his dodgy past (as any Hibby could have told them).
Therefore I don't think (or can't believe) that even the Tories could appoint this chancer--too much baggage.
There should be a plaque installed at ER for MRS Rowland--brave woman!

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[Seanair]

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Check out the date of the original post.

Silly me--thanks. Didn't know threads from previous years could be carried forward like this.

Anyway he's still a (use own terms of abuse) and his wife did Hibs a favour.

[Big Ed]

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List of donors who dined with Call me Dave at number 10:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17512814

There is something utterly nauseating about the Prime Minister of this country, inviting this World Class **** to a private dinner.

[bawheid]

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There is something utterly nauseating about the Prime Minister of this country, inviting this World Class **** to a private dinner.

Could have saved a few seconds typing and just halted your sentence after the word "country".

[lyonhibs]

This is all pish in the wind - Prime Ministers/Cabinet minsters of all political colours have long had cosy dinners with rich mates who also happen to give their parties massive swedges of cash.

It's the whole system of lobbying, and the amounts involved, that we need changed, not some massively expensive police investigation that will exclusively reveal that a politican had some rich, influential friends over for a chinwag.

We can hardly stop anyone in the country having a dinner party with whomever they want, it's whether they have paid money specifically to get that access, and whether policies of this country are actually influenced by what they talk about over champagne and caviar, or whether the PM just goes ""Hmmm, yes interesting Barnaby" and pays no real attention.

Call Me Dave says everyone he had over was already close mates he'd known for years - I have no idea whether to believe him or not, but this "Nudge nudge, see you at Chequers old boy" culture that pervades British politics needs to end, for many, many more reasons than this.

[HKhibby]

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There is something utterly nauseating about the Prime Minister of this country, inviting this World Class **** to a private dinner.

Not done anything wrong or illegal!, who ever wants to give large/small amounts of money to a political party is up to them, doesnt neccessarily make everything wrong or corrupt....but it certainly did when the likes of Blair and Brown, who have wrecked the U.K!, did the small thing of the cash for honours thing!...but then again that was probably ok...they were Labour! and one was Scottish!

[RyeSloan]

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This is all pish in the wind - Prime Ministers/Cabinet minsters of all political colours have long had cosy dinners with rich mates who also happen to give their parties massive swedges of cash.

It's the whole system of lobbying, and the amounts involved, that we need changed, not some massively expensive police investigation that will exclusively reveal that a politican had some rich, influential friends over for a chinwag.

We can hardly stop anyone in the country having a dinner party with whomever they want, it's whether they have paid money specifically to get that access, and whether policies of this country are actually influenced by what they talk about over champagne and caviar, or whether the PM just goes ""Hmmm, yes interesting Barnaby" and pays no real attention.

Call Me Dave says everyone he had over was already close mates he'd known for years - I have no idea whether to believe him or not, but this "Nudge nudge, see you at Chequers old boy" culture that pervades British politics needs to end, for many, many more reasons than this.

Is it not the simple fact that if you contribute signficant sums to any organisation you would normally receive some sort of influence or access in return....I'm not sure why we consider political parties any different, nor indeed what would be so terribly wrong with the leader of any party having dinner with his largest donors.

[HKhibby]

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Who would notice ??

Well, pensioners for a start. All the people benefitting from the National Minimum Wage? Everyone who gets to vote in Scottish Parliament elections. How about all the people who got modern apprenticeships under Labour? Maybe all the kids in new schools? What about patients being treated in all the new hospitals?

Why not take your trite wee comments about 'Who would notice??' and shoving it?[/QUOTE]

But they were fantastic great prosperous years all the same from 1997-2010 under "New Labour" were they?...Thats why everybody is paying for it now throughout the UK! in some shape or form.

Glad about that in a way though! because for years under "New Labour" small businesses bore the brunt of the wonderful "New Labour" Stealth Taxes and lunacy employment laws that they adopted coming out of the EU!
Apprenticeships? yes they like to take the accolades about that wont they, but they were introduced about year or so before "New Labour"!
National Minimum Wage?..seem to remember people laughing at that...saying i wouldnt get out of bed for that!...but they wouldnt would they? because they were getting top up fees and benefits for sitting around doing Nothing!...but then came along the good old East Europeans!...who actually do it for less than that, so what minimum wage now?
New Hospitals and Schools?, well they can all be built with endless tax payers money and stealth taxes!...but when the money dries up who pays for them? and the endless league tables stats?...and the endless civil servants paid very generously for doing nothing most of the time with 5/6 weeks holiday etc.. etc.. a year, all in the name of supposedly creating employment?, oh and not too mention these schools and hospitals are now full of east europeans! who have never paid a penny in tax into the UK! but get free hospital treatment and education and benefits from the State!
Scottish Psrliament? yes everyone else in the UK had to pay towards that too!...but why not? it was other peoples money! and it was "New Labour"!

So there we have it, a brief but slightly long winded description of the good old "New Labour/Old Labour"...same old Labour Years!, at least the present UK Government came along just in time!

Yes i live outside the UK, and very happily thanks, and will hopefully never live there again!

[CropleyWasGod]

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Well, pensioners for a start. All the people benefitting from the National Minimum Wage? Everyone who gets to vote in Scottish Parliament elections. How about all the people who got modern apprenticeships under Labour? Maybe all the kids in new schools? What about patients being treated in all the new hospitals?

Why not take your trite wee comments about 'Who would notice??' and shoving it?

But they were fantastic great prosperous years all the same from 1997-2010 under "New Labour" were they?...Thats why everybody is paying for it now throughout the UK! in some shape or form.

Glad about that in a way though! because for years under "New Labour" small businesses bore the brunt of the wonderful "New Labour" Stealth Taxes and lunacy employment laws that they adopted coming out of the EU!
Apprenticeships? yes they like to take the accolades about that wont they, but they were introduced about year or so before "New Labour"!
National Minimum Wage?..seem to remember people laughing at that...saying i wouldnt get out of bed for that!...but they wouldnt would they? because they were getting top up fees and benefits for sitting around doing Nothing!...but then came along the good old East Europeans!...who actually do it for less than that, so what minimum wage now?
New Hospitals and Schools?, well they can all be built with endless tax payers money and stealth taxes!...but when the money dries up who pays for them? and the endless league tables stats?...and the endless civil servants paid very generously for doing nothing most of the time with 5/6 weeks holiday etc.. etc.. a year, all in the name of supposedly creating employment?, oh and not too mention these schools and hospitals are now full of east europeans! who have never paid a penny in tax into the UK! but get free hospital treatment and education and benefits from the State!
Scottish Psrliament? yes everyone else in the UK had to pay towards that too!...but why not? it was other peoples money! and it was "New Labour"!

So there we have it, a brief but slightly long winded description of the good old "New Labour/Old Labour"...same old Labour Years!, at least the present UK Government came along just in time!

Yes i live outside the UK, and very happily thanks, and will hopefully never live there again![/QUOTE]



Thanks for that, Spotty.

ps how's the wife?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not done anything wrong or illegal!, who ever wants to give large/small amounts of money to a political party is up to them, doesnt neccessarily make everything wrong or corrupt....but it certainly did when the likes of Blair and Brown, who have wrecked the U.K!, did the small thing of the cash for honours thing!...but then again that was probably ok...they were Labour! and one was Scottish!

Two, Shirley.

[easty]

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Not done anything wrong or illegal!, who ever wants to give large/small amounts of money to a political party is up to them, doesnt neccessarily make everything wrong or corrupt....but it certainly did when the likes of Blair and Brown, who have wrecked the U.K!, did the small thing of the cash for honours thing!...but then again that was probably ok...they were Labour! and one was Scottish!

HK, you use too many exclamation marks, gies me a headache.

And you're going to have to stop trying to mask this love you clearly have for all things Labour...

[Big Ed]

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Not done anything wrong or illegal!, who ever wants to give large/small amounts of money to a political party is up to them, doesnt neccessarily make everything wrong or corrupt....but it certainly did when the likes of Blair and Brown, who have wrecked the U.K!, did the small thing of the cash for honours thing!...but then again that was probably ok...they were Labour! and one was Scottish!

I didn't say anything about it being dishonest or corrupt. I didn't mention the Conservative Party. I was referring to David Rowland: the man who tried to sell his majority shares in Hibs to one A. Wallace Mercer in June 1990. You may have heard something about that.
That makes him a world class ****!

[Hibernia&Alba]

A fud in a party of fuds. Lowest of the low.

[Jack]

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There is something utterly nauseating about the Prime Minister of this country, inviting this World Class **** to a private dinner.

They're all in this together ;-)

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't agree with a word of your post, hk hibby, but this is the football section of the forum, so I won't enter a long drawn out debate. Suffice to say that, whilst I disagreed with many Labour policies between 1997 and 2010, my criticisms were of the rightward shift of the party under Blair. They did some excellent work regarding the NHS and education - those markers of a civilised society.

One area where they got it massively wrong was by not putting enough regulations on the city of London. Regulations, the evil of 'red tape' as the Tories love repeating. Well the 'light touch' regulation that New Labour boasted about contributed enormously to the biggest financial crisis since 1929. By giving the bankers a free hand they almost destroyed the country and then asked the poorest, those who didn't cause the crisis, to pay it back via massive public spending cuts.

The failings of Labour under Blair and Brown were, IMO, their adoption of the neo-liberal and neo-conservative world view in economic and foreign affairs. Market forces must never be restricted. Aye right. Labour did some fine things in their thirteen years, and give me New Labour over the Tories any day. But this country needs a strong democratic socialist party, which the the Labour Party no longer is. Millions of people, those who believe the state has a key role to play in society, be they Keyensians or state planners, are disenfranchised by the big business supply side consensus of all the major parties. We mustn't upset Rupert Murdoch or the CBI. Money is power and those people can make like difficult, unlike the millions of working men and women who are powerless to the manoeuvreings of the stock market. The imbalance between free markets and social justice wasn't addressed nearly enough by New Labour. There are values of humanity and fairness that go way beyond contracts and financial exchange; values that New Labour too often only paid lip service to. Bring back Keir Hardie's Labour vision. We need real trades unions again and Labour Party that isn't just another representative of global capital.

Rant over

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

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Who would notice ??

Well, pensioners for a start. All the people benefitting from the National Minimum Wage? Everyone who gets to vote in Scottish Parliament elections. How about all the people who got modern apprenticeships under Labour? Maybe all the kids in new schools? What about patients being treated in all the new hospitals?

Why not take your trite wee comments about 'Who would notice??' and shoving it?[/QUOTE]

[One Day Soon]

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Well, pensioners for a start. All the people benefitting from the National Minimum Wage? Everyone who gets to vote in Scottish Parliament elections. How about all the people who got modern apprenticeships under Labour? Maybe all the kids in new schools? What about patients being treated in all the new hospitals?

Why not take your trite wee comments about 'Who would notice??' and shoving it?

[/QUOTE]

Well done. That's exactly your level. Or perhaps even punching slightly above it.

[givescotlandfreedom]

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I don't agree with a word of your post, hk hibby, but this is the football section of the forum, so I won't enter a long drawn out debate. Suffice to say that, whilst I disagreed with many Labour policies between 1997 and 2010, my criticisms were of the rightward shift of the party under Blair. They did some excellent work regarding the NHS and education - those markers of a civilised society.

One area where they got it massively wrong was by not putting enough regulations on the city of London. Regulations, the evil of 'red tape' as the Tories love repeating. Well the 'light touch' regulation that New Labour boasted about contributed enormously to the biggest financial crisis since 1929. By giving the bankers a free hand they almost destroyed the country and then asked the poorest, those who didn't cause the crisis, to pay it back via massive public spending cuts.

The failings of Labour under Blair and Brown were, IMO, their adoption of the neo-liberal and neo-conservative world view in economic and foreign affairs. Market forces must never be restricted. Aye right. Labour did some fine things in their thirteen years, and give me New Labour over the Tories any day. But this country needs a strong democratic socialist party, which the the Labour Party no longer is. Millions of people, those who believe the state has a key role to play in society, be they Keyensians or state planners, are disenfranchised by the big business supply side consensus of all the major parties. We mustn't upset Rupert Murdoch or the CBI. Money is power and those people can make like difficult, unlike the millions of working men and women who are powerless to the manoeuvreings of the stock market. The imbalance between free markets and social justice wasn't addressed nearly enough by New Labour. There are values of humanity and fairness that go way beyond contracts and financial exchange; values that New Labour too often only paid lip service to. Bring back Keir Hardie's Labour vision. We need real trades unions again and Labour Party that isn't just another representative of global capital.

Rant over

I agree totally

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

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Well done. That's exactly your level. Or perhaps even punching slightly above it.[/QUOTE]


Aye, very good. I appreciate that the laughing smiley wasn't particularly mature, but you're hardly in a position to criticise. You're own original post hardly covered you in glory.

[Eyrie]

I thought this was the Main Football Forum, not The Holy Ground?

[ginger_rice]

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I don't agree with a word of your post, hk hibby, but this is the football section of the forum, so I won't enter a long drawn out debate. Suffice to say that, whilst I disagreed with many Labour policies between 1997 and 2010, my criticisms were of the rightward shift of the party under Blair. They did some excellent work regarding the NHS and education - those markers of a civilised society.

One area where they got it massively wrong was by not putting enough regulations on the city of London. Regulations, the evil of 'red tape' as the Tories love repeating. Well the 'light touch' regulation that New Labour boasted about contributed enormously to the biggest financial crisis since 1929. By giving the bankers a free hand they almost destroyed the country and then asked the poorest, those who didn't cause the crisis, to pay it back via massive public spending cuts.

The failings of Labour under Blair and Brown were, IMO, their adoption of the neo-liberal and neo-conservative world view in economic and foreign affairs. Market forces must never be restricted. Aye right. Labour did some fine things in their thirteen years, and give me New Labour over the Tories any day. But this country needs a strong democratic socialist party, which the the Labour Party no longer is. Millions of people, those who believe the state has a key role to play in society, be they Keyensians or state planners, are disenfranchised by the big business supply side consensus of all the major parties. We mustn't upset Rupert Murdoch or the CBI. Money is power and those people can make like difficult, unlike the millions of working men and women who are powerless to the manoeuvreings of the stock market. The imbalance between free markets and social justice wasn't addressed nearly enough by New Labour. There are values of humanity and fairness that go way beyond contracts and financial exchange; values that New Labour too often only paid lip service to. Bring back Keir Hardie's Labour vision. We need real trades unions again and Labour Party that isn't just another representative of global capital.

Rant over

[Dashing Bob S]

Whilst I appreciate that some of the criticism of Rowland is valid, I wish him well in his comeback.

And Geno and Come On Eileen were great tunes.