Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibs7]

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I think you'll find it has more to do with the former papers' fascination with naked ladies and soap stars' indiscretions and other "celebrity" claptrap.

Totally agree, say's a lot about the mentality of the average Brit that the most popular papers are these trash, also soaps and reality programmes have the highest viewers, limited mentality rules present day Britain.

[TornadoHibby]

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I think you'll find it has more to do with the former papers' fascination with naked ladies and soap stars' indiscretions and other "celebrity" claptrap.

Nothing to do with the "red top" fascination with applying their principal doctrine of "never let the truth get in the way of a good story" then!

Listen, if that philosophy blows your hair back then I'm sure that you'll just run with it!

You might be surprised when the facts become known though should they be quite different to the current "red top" esque speculation running through our media and mb's especially on this topic!

[jdships]

Am I missing something in all this ?
How come someone can " buy" and operate RFC with a court case involving HME & C still to be heard ?
If a deal is not struck with HME&C surely the buyers would become liable for the full amount due
Does this mean that they will be prepared to throw in/write off £60/70M at the stroke of a pen ?
I appreciate that Pat Nevin has spoken about this but for me what is " the bottom line" here ?
Is this all going to boil up again at seasons end ?

[johnrebus]

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Totally agree, say's a lot about the mentality of the average Brit that the most popular papers are these trash, also soaps and reality programmes have the highest viewers, limited mentality rules present day Britain.

IMHO by far the best coverage of the Rangers fiasco has been by the much maligned - and rightly so - Daily Mail.

[Kaiser1962]

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Lucky IMO unless you are privy to the actual information!

Or an informed opinion reached after a careful analysis of all known facts AND speculative comments, based on many years of experience working in this particular sector with the very scenario and set of circumstance which is now unfolding in Glasgow.

Your criticism is harsh and, IMO, unfounded.

[greenginger]

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Am I missing something in all this ?
How come someone can " buy" and operate RFC with a court case involving HME & C still to be heard ?
If a deal is not struck with HME&C surely the buyers would become liable for the full amount due
Does this mean that they will be prepared to throw in/write off £60/70M at the stroke of a pen ?
I appreciate that Pat Nevin has spoken about this but for me what is " the bottom line" here ?
Is this all going to boil up again at seasons end ?

I'm sure Paul Murray and the Bluenose Knights are just making sure they get a seat at the table. Any offer will be conditional on numerous conditions that the administrators can't guarantee at the moment so the process will run until the BTC is decided.

[blindsummit]

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I've enjoyed CWG's updates and views on this. As I don't really understand most of the options on the Rangers situation, his guide is helpful to me

I agree. Very informative and enjoyable. Just the kind of posts I look for on a forum. Great conversation.

[Seveno]

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If I thought that I could add factual and helpful comments to this thread then I would but so long as this situation is retained "behind closed doors" in the main speculation on speculation is not helpful to anyone IMO!

That's why I haven't posted unless I have (personally) thought that some comments are worthy of highlighting for substance or clarity to be added even if (selfishly) only for me!

I had no intention of spoiling the show for anyone else however!

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Can't disagree with the numbers tbh but why do papers like the Sun, Star, People etc have so many more readers per day than say The Times, FT, Scotsman and Herald?

Something to do with reporting stories with 'an edge' of suggestion in one with the other keen to stick to facts as far as possible!

The second that the 'suggestions' begin to be portrayed somehow as dependable knowledge based facts the whole thing just becomes very silly IMO as people reading may as well conjure up a version that suits them for themselves!

That's my point!

Your comments are insulting to the many people who are enjoying the comments, speculation, analysis, opinion, humour and old fashioned banter on this thread.

If you don't like it, can I respectfully suggest that you refrain from reading it.

[jdships]

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I'm sure Paul Murray and the Bluenose Knights are just making sure they get a seat at the table. Any offer will be conditional on numerous conditions that the administrators can't guarantee at the moment so the process will run until the BTC is decided.

That sounds like a sensible take to me
Thankyou

[H18sry]

Imagine my surprise when I walked into ASDA today to find Rangers players bag packing to raise funds for there club #skintandoutofthecup

[TornadoHibby]

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Your comments are insulting to the many people who are enjoying the comments, speculation, analysis, opinion, humour and old fashioned banter on this thread.

If you don't like it, can I respectfully suggest that you refrain from reading it.

Thanks for your thoughts and proposal for how I should behave in future regarding this thread!

I hope people that enjoy participating in the speculation continue to do so and that, equally, they appreciate and respect the considered comments that I made based upon how I see things relative to speculation about the facts which have not yet been made known outwith the close circle of professionals and participants involved in the Administration and relative to the RFC finances!

I fully understand people getting excited about the possible demise of RFC and that views expressed here which are speculative based upon speculation in the main are serving to hype that position in a potentially artificial way!

As I've said on an earlier post, speculation about speculation is suited to, and only serves the purpose of a few rather than the population involved generally!

[Seveno]

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Thanks for your thoughts and proposal for how I should behave in future regarding this thread!

I hope people that enjoy participating in the speculation continue to do so and that, equally, they appreciate and respect the considered comments that I made based upon how I see things relative to speculation about the facts which have not yet been made known outwith the close circle of professionals and participants involved in the Administration and relative to the RFC finances!

I fully understand people getting excited about the possible demise of RFC and that views expressed here which are speculative based upon speculation in the main are serving to hype that position in a potentially artificial way!

As I've said on an earlier post, speculation about speculation is suited to, and only serves the purpose of a few rather than the population involved generally!

[Keith_M]

What was the Rangers score today?

[CentreLine]

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Thanks for your thoughts and proposal for how I should behave in future regarding this thread!

I hope people that enjoy participating in the speculation continue to do so and that, equally, they appreciate and respect the considered comments that I made based upon how I see things relative to speculation about the facts which have not yet been made known outwith the close circle of professionals and participants involved in the Administration and relative to the RFC finances!

I fully understand people getting excited about the possible demise of RFC and that views expressed here which are speculative based upon speculation in the main are serving to hype that position in a potentially artificial way!

As I've said on an earlier post, speculation about speculation is suited to, and only serves the purpose of a few rather than the population involved generally!

Really sorry Tornado but I don't understand your point at all. What is this reference to the "population involved"? I am obviously far too stupid to get the point and really need it explained more clearly. Conversely, I actually do understand most of CWG's entries and I have always viewed them as informed opinion rather than speculation.

[greenlex]

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What was the Rangers score today?

Rangers £250'000 - Players £0

I think.

[TornadoHibby]

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Really sorry Tornado but I don't understand your point at all. What is this reference to the "population involved"? I am obviously far too stupid to get the point and really need it explained more clearly. Conversely, I actually do understand most of CWG's entries and I have always viewed them as informed opinion rather than speculation.

I thought it was quite straightforward in that my point was about users of this mb, the few who speculate about the speculation (not known information or facts) and the 'population' statistically meaning the entire group using the mb and this thread in particular!

Was there anything else I have said that wasn't clear to you?

PS Did you understand the point (not mine!) about the "missing debit" by any chance that CWG liked? If you did could you explain that one to me please?

[ancient hibee]

Just in case I've missed something could we have a summary of the thread so far please.


Has anyone explained how new owners at Rangers will meet the funding gap of a million quid a month?

[jgl07]

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Just in case I've missed something could we have a summary of the thread so far please.


Has anyone explained how new owners at Rangers will meet the funding gap of a million quid a month?

Rangers are *******!

[Twa Cairpets]

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I thought it was quite straightforward in that my point was about users of this mb, the few who speculate about the speculation (not known information or facts) and the 'population' statistically meaning the entire group using the mb and this thread in particular!

Was there anything else I have said that wasn't clear to you?

PS Did you understand the point (not mine!) about the "missing debit" by any chance that CWG liked? If you did could you explain that one to me please?

It's not speculation on speculation. It's dissection, analysis and explanation of the speculation that is being provided and discussed. Very different, and very interesting.

[Kaiser1962]

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I thought it was quite straightforward in that my point was about users of this mb, the few who speculate about the speculation (not known information or facts) and the 'population' statistically meaning the entire group using the mb and this thread in particular!

Was there anything else I have said that wasn't clear to you?

PS Did you understand the point (not mine!) about the "missing debit" by any chance that CWG liked? If you did could you explain that one to me please?

I know what you are saying but if you apply literally what you are saying then everything that hasnt happened yet is speculation. You would not book a holiday because you might not live that long, and therefore it would be a waste of money. Why would you buy a ticket for the semi for the same reason?

This is a football message board and as such it exists, and thrives, on people speculating about such things as to what the team next week will be or who we might sign in the summer.

The posts of some of the financial guys, not just CWG, on the situation at Rangers are informative and educational for those that have no knowledge of the administration processes and the nuances of the law surrounding them. Because these guys work in that sector, then those that dont seek their opinions and best guesses on the days events and they are just that, opinions,based on professional experience but opinions nonetheless.

[TornadoHibby]

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It's not speculation on speculation. It's dissection, analysis and explanation of the speculation that is being provided and discussed. Very different, and very interesting.

This is a bit like asking ten property surveyors to value the same property and getting ten different values!

The only difference is that they have facts to consider in arriving at said values and still largely don't agree necessarily!

What we have here (regarding RFC and it's finances and the Administration et al) is information which is uncertain (factually) to those 'dissecting and analysing' that uncertain information (speculation) which makes the potential for error in the 'dissection and analysis' much greater! However, as I've said in an earlier post, if that's what 'blows your hair back' then that's absolutely fine! My point is simply that it doesn't do it for me for all of the reasons I've already posted on this thread!

Allow me to re-ignite the frenzy to be the one to 'guess' the likely outcome' of the RFC/Administration/BTC/LTC/CW/SDM 'situation' by retiring to the background on this thread once more
to avoid any further in-necessary distraction from that goal by me!

I was trying to introduce some perspective regarding the base level of information available out with the RFC, RFCG, Administrators 'inner circle' but it is now clear that no perspective or certainty or clarity is required to be able to 'dissect and analyse' !

That is all!

[PaulSmith]

'big news tomorrow' according to Tom English.
For that read speculation and more hacks believing pr guff from all and sundry without a thought to question it.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'm only suggesting that one becomes intimately acquainted with the actual facts before becoming a font of all knowledge! Anything else is irresponsible IMO and a professional advisor's parent governing body would be particularly interested in it's members that did not as would the PII insurers of such members!


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As one who has commented long and often about speculation and suppositions, you'll admit that it's pure supposition on your part to assume that I have a "parent governing body". If you can find one, though, of which I am a member ... go ahead and tell them. It would be the first complaint I have had, of any nature, in over 32 years.

I do, however, admit to being a fully paid-up member of the Pedants' Society. It should be "its members".

[CropleyWasGod]

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'big news tomorrow' according to Tom English.
For that read speculation and more hacks believing pr guff from all and sundry without a thought to question it.

... and plenty more for us inbred amateurs to salivate over and speculate on!!! Bring it on

[CropleyWasGod]

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SFA clearly lay the blame fairly and squarely on the people who were desperate to get any buyer they could find.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...gers-1-2165105

It's late, and it's been a long day.... but I'm not getting the bit about Dave King not being allowed on the RFC Board post-administration.

Does that extend to all directors who were on the Board when they went into admin?

[Eyrie]

Probably just King, unless any of the others have 300+ charges levelled against them by the South African authorities.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Probably just King, unless any of the others have 300+ charges levelled against them by the South African authorities.

I have just been reading the Wordpress blog that was posted earlier today. According to that, there were only 2 (possibly 3) directors when RFC went into admin.

[TornadoHibby]

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I'm only suggesting that one becomes intimately acquainted with the actual facts before becoming a font of all knowledge! Anything else is irresponsible IMO and a professional advisor's parent governing body would be particularly interested in it's members that did not as would the PII insurers of such members!

As one who has commented long and often about speculation and suppositions, you'll admit that it's pure supposition on your part to assume that I have a "parent governing body". If you can find one, though, of which I am a member ... go ahead and tell them. It would be the first complaint I have had, of any nature, in over 32 years.

I do, however, admit to being a fully paid-up member of the Pedants' Society. It should be "its members".

I purposely didn't use the first person in raising the subject of 'governing/regulatory bodies' so that you wouldn't be able to construe it as personal but you have done that anyway!

How you conduct your business is entirely up to you and good to see that you don't have the 'aggravation' of complying with the requirements of 'governing/regulatory bodies' there!

Posting on a mb like this though does not require you to comply with any work related obligations!

I just don't see why you feel the need to justify your work related competence level relative (presumably) to what you are posting on here?

I don't get the significance or purpose of the 'pedant' comment?!

[Lofarl]

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=8222#comments

Not a bad read that article if you can forget where it came from and stomach the end part about the other 10 clubs may hurt his beloved Sellic.

[HibeeMG]

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http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=8222#comments

Not a bad read that article if you can forget where it came from and stomach the end part about the other 10 clubs may hurt his beloved Sellic.

You're right, not a bad read. As far as I can see it wrapped the history of Rangers' 'cheating' up pretty well.

I actually do agree that Celtc shouldn't be excluded from the meeting that the rest of the SPL clubs are having. Going forward, the SPL10 have all the cards stacked in their favour so it would seem petty to not show their hand to Celtc at this stage.