Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[SteveHFC]

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From the bears den forum....

Fact is....the new SPL deal starts in the summer and is dependent fully on both Old Firm clubs. If we aren't there, there will be no TV deal.

With no TV deal, i'd waive a guess that at least 5 SPL clubs will announce huge..HUGE losses, not only from lost TV revenue but lost away travel from Rangers.

Personally, if the worst comes to the worst, it wouldn't bother me a jot, i'd actually enjoy watching the death of Scottish football and laugh at those asking why.

But the above dosn't count, of course Sky will continue paying the millions....thousands of neutrals already have the mighty Dundee United against St. Mirren on their calander......


Now there is something in what is being said about the TV deal, however, it would be a renogotiated deal without Rangers and don't you think if the thoughts above were globally thought, the TV companies would be all over it in a macabre deathwatch?

They really are bunch of class a morons

[Spike Mandela]

CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.

[Barney McGrew]

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Fact is....the new SPL deal starts in the summer and is dependent fully on both Old Firm clubs. If we aren't there, there will be no TV deal.

With no TV deal, i'd waive a guess that at least 5 SPL clubs will announce huge..HUGE losses, not only from lost TV revenue but lost away travel from Rangers

He's bang on the money with those two points.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Either a buyer turns up by the end of the week, or else Rangers will have to lay off most of their first team squad in order to carry on until the end of the season. And as has been asked a million times before, who will do that when the big tax case is still undecided? This 'conditional' offer of Paul Murray's must be connected to it. This could be the beginning of the end.

[Caversham Green]

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CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.

TBH I'm not as convinced as CWG that D & P are doing a good or impartial job, but in truth we won't know how well they're doing it until the job is completed. One thing is sure though, they're doing the job they were appointed and paid to do rather than the one we all want them to do.

[Www1875hfc]

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[Keith_M]

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TBH I'm not as convinced as CWG that D & P are doing a good or impartial job, but in truth we won't know how well they're doing it until the job is completed. One thing is sure though, they're doing the job they were appointed and paid to do rather than the one we all want them to do.

I agree with you. It's appointed by whom that has bothered me from the start.

[Kato]

Putting all the speculation/breaking news to one side the discomfort coming from the Rangers fans I know (one of whoms dedication stretches to a musical/uniform bent, he's an ex-stick flinger and top-hole snarist - and a top hole when comes down to it, and maybe bent) is palpable. Digging their discomfort. The only geezer I feel an eensy-teensy bit sorry for is a friend who is a genuine football fan. He's an actual Rangers fan rather than your usual gut bucket that never goes. It is an eensy teensy bit though.

[Caversham Green]

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I agree with you. It's appointed by whom that has bothered me from the start.

In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?

[SteveHFC]

[FranckSuzy]

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[stantonhibby]

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In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?

Indeed - when you see the blokes who walk with Whyte into Ibrox on the day he took charge , one of the suits in the entourage is from Duff & Phelps ( David Grier I think). Makes you wonder if this is all one big Whyte master plan.

[Seveno]

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Indeed - when you see the blokes who walk with Whyte into Ibrox on the day he took charge , one of the suits in the entourage is from Duff & Phelps ( David Grier I think). Makes you wonder if this is all one big Whyte master plan.

Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.

[jodjam]

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Do you have a lot ofLove and Pride for that club?

Actually went to see them twice in the 80's just to hear the lassies screaming "my" name

[EuanH78]

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Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.

I'm pretty sure by now that there is no masterplan if I'm honest. Too many variables and elements that cant be predicted or controlled for this to be anyones 'plan'.

[Seveno]

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I'm pretty sure by now that there is no masterplan if I'm honest. Too many variables and elements that cant be predicted or controlled for this to be anyones 'plan'.

I didn't suggest it was a good one.

[EuanH78]

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I didn't suggest it was a good one.

Oh if it is one, I think it's a belter so far

[Killiehibbie]

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Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.

That's what I thought but I think the mess is far worse than they imagined.

[Seveno]

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That's what I thought but I think the mess is far worse than they imagined.

Perhaps the Mr Big is none other than Dermot Desmond.

[CropleyWasGod]

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In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?

My take on that is that D&P were, in the beginning, sympathetic to CW, given the history they had. However, at some stage (perhaps the discovery of the Ticketus shenanigan) I reckon they have realised that the whole situation is not what they were led to believe.

From that point, they have perhaps realised that their professional reputation is far more important than any future relationship they might have had with CW. The level of public scrutiny in this case is very intense, perhaps more than they expected, but certainly much more so than some of the previous cases they would have worked on with CW.

Cav, what's your take on the Dunfermline payment? Do you think it should have been allowed?

[CropleyWasGod]

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CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.

No.

I know that I don't always follow the general trend on here. Trust me, I am as keen to see the end of the cheating as anyone, but it has to be done properly. Part of what I do is play devil's advocate to some of the opinions here, but I am also trying to cut through the complexity of what's going on so that we can all understand it better.

[gramskiwood]

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No.

I know that I don't always follow the general trend on here. Trust me, I am as keen to see the end of the cheating as anyone, but it has to be done properly. Part of what I do is play devil's advocate to some of the opinions here, but I am also trying to cut through the complexity of what's going on so that we can all understand it better.

It's greatly appreciated.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It's greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Mum.

[SteveHFC]

""You b*****ds, you were custodians of an incredible institution: RANGERS FC , and you ****ed it up you absolute b*****ds" "

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ntry1059845746

[CropleyWasGod]

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I blame David Murray. The day he allowed them to start signing Tims was the beginning of the end.

[Saorsa]

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[SteveHFC]

would hope that if we manage to stuggle through the situation we are in at the moment, that we don't forget how the SPL and every team it has turned their backs on us.

For all 140 years of our history, our club made scottish football, there is no question in that, our club keeps scottish football alive and it boils my blood to not see any other clubs or even the SPL, speak out even in the slightest to help our cause!

If we were to go under, personally i would not even think of starting up again, i would let scottish football die like they have let us.

**** them all am sick of all the pish being said about us by the wee diddy teams , teams like kilmarnock , hibs , dundee united and the earl haigs lets hit them where it hurts and only attend home matches and make it like the special away day atmosphere

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What a bunch of class a morons

[SteveHFC]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...all-Whyte.html

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...hrough-it.html

[basehibby]

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My take on that is that D&P were, in the beginning, sympathetic to CW, given the history they had. However, at some stage (perhaps the discovery of the Ticketus shenanigan) I reckon they have realised that the whole situation is not what they were led to believe.

From that point, they have perhaps realised that their professional reputation is far more important than any future relationship they might have had with CW. The level of public scrutiny in this case is very intense, perhaps more than they expected, but certainly much more so than some of the previous cases they would have worked on with CW.

Cav, what's your take on the Dunfermline payment? Do you think it should have been allowed?

I read somewhere that failure to pay Dunfermline for the match tickets would have been dead against SPL rules and could have brought down all sorts of bad stuff on their heads - including expulsion from the SPL. On that basis I'd reckon it was probably justifiable for D&P to let the Pars "jump the queue" in order to keep the option of selling the club as a going concern as viable as possible.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I read somewhere that failure to pay Dunfermline for the match tickets would have been dead against SPL rules and could have brought down all sorts of bad stuff on their heads - including expulsion from the SPL. On that basis I'd reckon it was probably justifiable for D&P to let the Pars "jump the queue" in order to keep the option of selling the club as a going concern as viable as possible.

If that were the case.... expulsion I mean... it would make sense. The admins are allowed to spend money that keeps the company trading, such as wages , the police etc. Protecting licences, which this might be called, would be okay in that respect.

Still unconvinced, though.... and I don't think any of the journalists I emailed have asked the question yet.