Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[stokesmessiah]

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Not saying Amanda is wrong CWG. But I work on a fixed contract one year at a time. My company can make me redundant any time they like.

I may be mistaken but i think that was the point he was making.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If it's a fixed contract then you would be due the remainder of your contract. If you're classed as a temp then you can be made redundant at anytime with no financial settlement.

[Lucius Apuleius]

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I may be mistaken but i think that was the point he was making.

Hmmmmmm, I read it the other way mate. Sure he will clarify. :-)

[Billy Whizz]

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Were you on a fixed term contract ?

No an employee for 22 years

[Lucius Apuleius]

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If it's a fixed contract then you would be due the remainder of your contract. If you're classed as a temp then you can be made redundant at anytime with no financial settlement.

Disagree mate. We are in a demobilization process and lots of our guys just have their contracts ended with no remainder of contract paid. If they were I would be knocking down the HR managers door!!,

[CropleyWasGod]

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No an employee for 22 years

That's the difference. You would have a redundancy clause in your terms and conditions of employment. The players, being on fixed-term deals, won't have.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Disagree mate. We are in a demobilization process and lots of our guys just have their contracts ended with no remainder of contract paid. If they were I would be knocking down the HR managers door!!,

I would suggest, then, that you get in touch with Amanda. She was pretty clear on this point.... and she loves dealing with wrongs!!

[MrSmith]

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Not saying Amanda is wrong CWG. But I work on a fixed contract one year at a time. My company can make me redundant any time they like.

They can't!

Employment law states two things: employers can't discriminate between temporary or full time staff and that fixed term contracts have a maximum of four. once you have completed three and are offered a fourth, you are expected to become a permanent employee on completion of the fourth.

http://www.unison-scotland.org.uk/br...fixedterm.html
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employme...kers/DG_175138
http://www.eis.org.uk/print.asp?id=1603&dbase=

[JeMeSouviens]

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14. If:- (i) a Member shall cease to be entitled to hold a Share; or (ii) a trustee in sequestration, manager, receiver or administrative receiver shall be appointed in respect of a Member or any property of a Member, or an administration order shall be made in respect of a Member or any property of a Member or an order shall be made or an 9 effective resolution passed for the winding up of a Member otherwise than for the purpose of reconstruction or amalgamation;

then that Member or its manager, receiver, administrative receiver, administrator or liquidator or any other person entitled to the Share shall, on receiving notice in writing from the Board following the Company in General Meeting passing a Qualified Resolution that such notice should be issued by the Board and confirming the identity of the proposed transferee, transfer its Share to such ther person as the Board shall direct at the price of £1 and the Club owned and operated by such Member shall forthwith cease to be a member of the League and the Club owned and operated by the transferee shall become a member of the League in its place.

Again probably reading that wrong but if a phoenix company were formed could Duff and Phelps not transfer the share (effectively league membership) to the new company and they would then hold a place in the SPL?

It reads to me that the liquidator would have to transfer the SPL share to whoever the SPL board tells them to, be that a Phoenix Huns, the relegated club from the SPL or a 2nd team coming up from Div 1. Basically it's all up to the SPL board.

Doncaster is clearly trying to bounce opinion into a fait accompli where we all just lie down and let New Huns walk back in. He is relying on the headless chicken Scottish media doing their usual thorough investigative job and just writing what they're told (Motherwell born billionaire etc etc).

[greenginger]

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It reads to me that the liquidator would have to transfer the SPL share to whoever the SPL board tells them to, be that a Phoenix Huns, the relegated club from the SPL or a 2nd team coming up from Div 1. Basically it's all up to the SPL board.

Doncaster is clearly trying to bounce opinion into a fait accompli where we all just lie down and let New Huns walk back in. He is relying on the headless chicken Scottish media doing their usual thorough investigative job and just writing what they're told (Motherwell born billionaire etc etc).

It is not a decision by the SPL Board . I saw it on another site that the Board will be bound by the decision of a special meeting of the full SPL membership. In other words all clubs to have a say in what replaces a defunct Hun.

[s.a.m]

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It reads to me that the liquidator would have to transfer the SPL share to whoever the SPL board tells them to, be that a Phoenix Huns, the relegated club from the SPL or a 2nd team coming up from Div 1. Basically it's all up to the SPL board.

Doncaster is clearly trying to bounce opinion into a fait accompli where we all just lie down and let New Huns walk back in. He is relying on the headless chicken Scottish media doing their usual thorough investigative job and just writing what they're told (Motherwell born billionaire etc etc).

You're probably right. And then, next season, as they face relegation after a season of playing with a real-world pool of players, he'll be back on our tellies explaining why they have to restructure the league.

I'm not generally one for stomping off in the huff, but if they are smuggled back into the league as a phoenix team, that would probably be the final straw for me. We've (as fans) spent a fortune over the years watching our team struggle, as we try to play within our means, and by the rules. What's the point?

[CallumLaidlaw]

#Rangers director Dave King releases a statement saying he believes liquidation is inevitable.

King says the club will not meet euro deadline and will therefore not take part in euro competitions next season. #Rangers

[Dan Sarf]

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Beeb story tonight saying 7 or 8 of them have refused to take cuts...

It's a wonderful thing, the Daily Mail.

[stokesmessiah]

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#Rangers director Dave King releases a statement saying he believes liquidation is inevitable.

King says the club will not meet euro deadline and will therefore not take part in euro competitions next season. #Rangers

Shame

[GloryGlory]

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You're probably right. And then, next season, as they face relegation after a season of playing with a real-world pool of players, he'll be back on our tellies explaining why they have to restructure the league.

I'm not generally one for stomping off in the huff, but if they are smuggled back into the league as a phoenix team, that would probably be the final straw for me. We've (as fans) spent a fortune over the years watching our team struggle, as we try to play within our means, and by the rules. What's the point?

Indeed. What sort of sporting competition allows cheats to get away with it with only minimal sanction (10 point deduction).

[CropleyWasGod]

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#Rangers director Dave King releases a statement saying he believes liquidation is inevitable.

King says the club will not meet euro deadline and will therefore not take part in euro competitions next season. #Rangers

TBH, I wouldn't be that keen on relying on Dave King's statements.

In related news, I can't get the story to come up, but the headline is very interesting:-

http://www.heraldscotland.com/

[stokesmessiah]

THe drama that is unfolding at Ibrox has made me pay more attention that i have ever bothered to rankgers and to their fan base which includes often nipping on to their forums to see what their views on it are. I have to say that it totally dumbfounds me how bigoted, narrow minded, stupid and more importantly paranoid their support is. Throughout this whole thing there has been two underlying themes 1) It is everyone else's fault but our own 2) **** them, **** the SPL, **** Scotland and lets just move to another league.

This thread is another example.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=213207

[CentreLine]

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You're probably right. And then, next season, as they face relegation after a season of playing with a real-world pool of players, he'll be back on our tellies explaining why they have to restructure the league.

I'm not generally one for stomping off in the huff, but if they are smuggled back into the league as a phoenix team, that would probably be the final straw for me. We've (as fans) spent a fortune over the years watching our team struggle, as we try to play within our means, and by the rules. What's the point?

The SPL and SFA absolutely must treat Rangers exactly as they would any other club and apply the rules fairly. To me that means them being expelled from the SPL and having to earn their place back. If the authorities fail to do this they will have driven the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football. On the other hand, if they show a strong hand, we just might be much better off as a result with our credibility in one piece and a clear message to all levels of the game that cheats will not be tolerated. It is all very fine laying down the law to junior clubs for fielding ineligible players, the time it counts is when one of the big boys does it.

C'mon SFA and SPL, let's see your nuts

[jamiehibee]

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THe drama that is unfolding at Ibrox has made me pay more attention that i have ever bothered to rankgers and to their fan base which includes often nipping on to their forums to see what their views on it are. I have to say that it totally dumbfounds me how bigoted, narrow minded, stupid and more importantly
paranoid their support is. Throughout this whole thing there has been two underlying themes 1) It is everyone else's fault but our own 2) **** them, **** the SPL, **** Scotland and lets just move to another league.

This thread is another example.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/<br ...owtopic=213207

What really scares me is every other week 40,000 or so of these deluded morons get corralled into the same space to be morons together.

And i realise that it's maybe not all of them that are morons but what this case has done for me is reveal that a f***load of them are!

[CropleyWasGod]

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C'mon SFA and SPL, let's see your nuts

...or, let's see you're nuts

[ancienthibby]

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...or, let's see you're nuts

...or, let's see. You're nuts.

[PaulSmith]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...e3ac00a36e3ec6

Full statement here

[Disc O'Dave]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...e3ac00a36e3ec6

Full statement here

Rangers director Dave King today revealed he is going to sue former club owner Sir David Murray for 20 million pounds.


Mr King, the South African-based businessman who made a flying visit to Scotland last week, confirmed his intentions in an explosive statement released today.

As well as taking action over the non-disclosure of the full financial picture at the Glasgow club, Mr King said that:

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Seems a strange thing for him to say

[CentreLine]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...e3ac00a36e3ec6

Full statement here

Well Well Well. That is as hard hitting a statement as we are likely to see. Assuming that Mr King is not another criminal with his own interests at heart, as the South African Authorities seem to believe, then we may just be seeing the most credible next "King" of Ibrox. I like his comment about needing a strong Rangers and Celtic if a little more humble.

Actually I think that is what we would all like to see. So lets have Rangers expelled from the SPL and earn their place back at the top table in three or four years as Newco Rangers. Then they and Celtic can work with the rest of us as equal shareholders in what is best for Scottish football. If only!

[CropleyWasGod]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...e3ac00a36e3ec6

Full statement here

Cheers for that.

Very interesting reading, which will take some time to digest. Two things strike me immediately, though:-

1. it's very easy to take the moral high ground, as DK is. However, he's not exactly a paragon of virtue himself. He does make reference to his tax problems, to be fair, but it's difficult to trust him completely.

2. I still cannot believe that SDM didn't know about the Ticketus scam. I can't see how he wouldn't have known.

[johnrebus]

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The SPL and SFA absolutely must treat Rangers exactly as they would any other club and apply the rules fairly. To me that means them being expelled from the SPL and having to earn their place back. If the authorities fail to do this they will have driven the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football. On the other hand, if they show a strong hand, we just might be much better off as a result with our credibility in one piece and a clear message to all levels of the game that cheats will not be tolerated. It is all very fine laying down the law to junior clubs for fielding ineligible players, the time it counts is when one of the big boys does it.

C'mon SFA and SPL, let's see your nuts

This will just not happen.

Whatever filth is still to ooze out of Castle Greyskull over the next few days and weeks, you can rest assured that Glasgow Rangers will take their place in the SPL next season.

Forget the football authorities, it will go well beyond that. The people who will ultimately decide Rangers fate will be a lot higher up than that. If the SPL and SFA make a stand I can guarantee that Alex Salmond and politicians of all other parties will intervene to save them from ultimate humiliation.

Already you can see the bias from the BBC. I have yet to hear anyone on a phone in programme or a text read out, pointing out that most Scottish football fans - never mind Celtic fans - want to see the back of them, and will gladly take the chance of losing TV revenue. The game looks buggered with or without Rangers anyway. Instead we have to listen day in day out to the hand wringing drivel of the likes of Billy Dodds.

There is at this moment a complete media ban on a paedophile case in Scotland, because some of the accused just happen to hold or have held high office. If the people that run the country can do this - and get away with it - then saving Rangers will be a piece of cake.

We are stuck with them.

[CentreLine]

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Cheers for that.

Very interesting reading, which will take some time to digest. Two things strike me immediately, though:-

1. it's very easy to take the moral high ground, as DK is. However, he's not exactly a paragon of virtue himself. He does make reference to his tax problems, to be fair, but it's difficult to trust him completely.

2. I still cannot believe that SDM didn't know about the Ticketus scam. I can't see how he wouldn't have known.

Even if he did not know about Ticketus he certainly knew about any back door payments to players. I think that is what DK is getting at and how it has exposed the club to more investigation. I think SPL/SFA need to get all of the clubs to open their books to prove financial stability. Wouldn't that be fun across the city

[Lucius Apuleius]

I will answer CWG and MrSmith in one as i am on my tablet and cannae multiquote:-) Both wrong actually as they can do what they like. Such is the life of an expat contract worker. Working for an Italian company out of their Swiss office in a joint venture with an American company which together have formed a nigerian company to allow us to work in nigeria subcontracted to another American company, think I would be struggling to fight a case :-)

[CropleyWasGod]

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Even if he did not know about Ticketus he certainly knew about any back door payments to players. I think that is what DK is getting at and how it has exposed the club to more investigation. I think SPL/SFA need to get all of the clubs to open their books to prove financial stability. Wouldn't that be fun across the city

He's suing SDM, because he says he didn't get a full picture of the finances. If that's about the EBT's, I find it hard to believe, since DK was on the Board for much of that time.

However, DK specifically says in his statement that SDM didn't know about Ticketus...... that's the bit that I find really difficult to swallow.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I will answer CWG and MrSmith in one as i am on my tablet and cannae multiquote:-) Both wrong actually as they can do what they like. Such is the life of an expat contract worker. Working for an Italian company out of their Swiss office in a joint venture with an American company which together have formed a nigerian company to allow us to work in nigeria subcontracted to another American company, think I would be struggling to fight a case :-)

You saying that we're wrong? (square go??? )

But, given the complex nature of what appears to be a Yammish contract in your case, my considered opinion is that you are indeed rubber ducked.