Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibrandenburg]

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Pretty much hammer meets head of nail there. Scottish football is a joke. Cheats prosper and will continue to do so.

After my initial glee at Ranger's plight wore off I'm actually quite angry and depressed at what's about to happen.

The political, legal, financial and media establishment will close ranks around their beloved Rangers. Lots of hand signals and aprons helping out there too.
Our football "authorities" will bend over backwards to break what little feeble rules they have, to accomodate Rangers.
Celtic will have a good laugh, but will then close ranks as they need their Ugly Sisters partners to feed off in that bigoted, symbiotic parasitical way they have developed.
Many other SPHell clubs will follow suit as well, fearing the loss of the crumbs from the table.

The outome will be:
A club called Rangers will still be in the SPL next season and competing in Europe.
They will have no debt and will continue to spend way over the odds, stealing players from well run clubs as they go.
Their fans will continue to be moronic, cretinous, bigoted glory hunters.
The existing creditors, especially the taxpayer, will be told to go pound sand and will lose everything.
Cheats and bullies will continue to prosper in Scotland.
Those who play by the moral rules will continue to struggle.

I hope to gawd I'm wrong and that some semblance of payback and natural justice will prevail, but knowing the history of Scottish Football and the Scottish establishment, I won't hold my breath.

That sums up the situation and my feelings perfectly.

The smaller clubs in the league now need to make sure these crooked leeches never get to bleed them dry again. However I'd bet my house that they'll just roll over let themselves get shafted again.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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That sums up the situation and my feelings perfectly.

The smaller clubs in the league now need to make sure these crooked leeches never get to bleed them dry again. However I'd bet my house that they'll just roll over let themselves get shafted again.

Email Hibs and the SFA and tell them what's you think.

[Elephant Stone]

It looks like they're due £9m in unpaid VAT from after Craig Whyte took over.

Excellent.

http://www.mcr.uk.com/duff-amp-phelp...ball-club.html

[blindsummit]

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Pretty much hammer meets head of nail there. Scottish football is a joke. Cheats prosper and will continue to do so.

After my initial glee at Ranger's plight wore off I'm actually quite angry and depressed at what's about to happen.

The political, legal, financial and media establishment will close ranks around their beloved Rangers. Lots of hand signals and aprons helping out there too.
Our football "authorities" will bend over backwards to break what little feeble rules they have, to accomodate Rangers.
Celtic will have a good laugh, but will then close ranks as they need their Ugly Sisters partners to feed off in that bigoted, symbiotic parasitical way they have developed.
Many other SPHell clubs will follow suit as well, fearing the loss of the crumbs from the table.

The outome will be:
A club called Rangers will still be in the SPL next season and competing in Europe.
They will have no debt and will continue to spend way over the odds, stealing players from well run clubs as they go.
Their fans will continue to be moronic, cretinous, bigoted glory hunters.
The existing creditors, especially the taxpayer, will be told to go pound sand and will lose everything.
Cheats and bullies will continue to prosper in Scotland.
Those who play by the moral rules will continue to struggle.

I hope to gawd I'm wrong and that some semblance of payback and natural justice will prevail, but knowing the history of Scottish Football and the Scottish establishment, I won't hold my breath.

and I forgpt to add, they'll still be playing at Ibrox, still have Murray Park and will still be playing in the same colours. I bet.

[Smidge]

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It looks like they're due £9m in unpaid VAT from after Craig Whyte took over.

Excellent.

http://www.mcr.uk.com/duff-amp-phelp...ball-club.html

Whyte has often trumpeted in the last few weeks that there is a £10m working capital shortfall on an annual basis for Rangers. Therefore, if they are also due £9m to HMRC - over and above the big tax case - then there must be a cash shortfall of £19m currently on an annual basis. Stunning mismanagement if that is the case.

[Twa Cairpets]

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Pretty much hammer meets head of nail there. Scottish football is a joke. Cheats prosper and will continue to do so.

After my initial glee at Ranger's plight wore off I'm actually quite angry and depressed at what's about to happen.

The political, legal, financial and media establishment will close ranks around their beloved Rangers. Lots of hand signals and aprons helping out there too.
Our football "authorities" will bend over backwards to break what little feeble rules they have, to accomodate Rangers.
Celtic will have a good laugh, but will then close ranks as they need their Ugly Sisters partners to feed off in that bigoted, symbiotic parasitical way they have developed.
Many other SPHell clubs will follow suit as well, fearing the loss of the crumbs from the table.

The outome will be:
A club called Rangers will still be in the SPL next season and competing in Europe.
They will have no debt and will continue to spend way over the odds, stealing players from well run clubs as they go.
Their fans will continue to be moronic, cretinous, bigoted glory hunters.
The existing creditors, especially the taxpayer, will be told to go pound sand and will lose everything.
Cheats and bullies will continue to prosper in Scotland.
Those who play by the moral rules will continue to struggle.

I hope to gawd I'm wrong and that some semblance of payback and natural justice will prevail, but knowing the history of Scottish Football and the Scottish establishment, I won't hold my breath.

Defining period for Scottish football.

IF they are managed out of administration and carry on, then they've played by the rules, such as they are, and we can wail and gnash our teeth but ultimately they've been treated the same as Motherwell.

IF, as I fervently hope, they are liquidated, they MUST start at th ebottom of the pile and come up through the divisions. Anything less will mean the total ruination of any trust football fans have in the administration of thegame in this country. I think club owners/chairman MUST understand the depth of feeling that their customers - us - have on this matter. If Hibs voted to re-instate Rangers, I really dont believe I could stomach that. It would be a betrayal of my support for my club, and I think it would be a tipping point for me to say - nah, enoughs enough, I'll get involved with an amateur team or go and watch Linlithgow Rose more often.

[truehibernian]

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Whyte has often trumpeted in the last few weeks that there is a £10m working capital shortfall on an annual basis for Rangers. Therefore, if they are also due £9m to HMRC - over and above the big tax case - then there must be a cash shortfall of £19m currently on an annual basis. Stunning mismanagement if that is the case.

Makes the signing of Cousin all the more criminal. A morally and financially corrupt football club in my opinion, with quite disgusting fans. They shame the country abroad and at home. FIFA, UEFA, the SFA and SPL have stood back for too long and allowed them to extract the urine. Just a horrible football club at the end of the day who I would happily see disappear without a trace.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Defining period for Scottish football.

IF they are managed out of administration and carry on, then they've played by the rules, such as they are, and we can wail and gnash our teeth but ultimately they've been treated the same as Motherwell.

IF, as I fervently hope, they are liquidated, they MUST start at th ebottom of the pile and come up through the divisions. Anything less will mean the total ruination of any trust football fans have in the administration of thegame in this country. I think club owners/chairman MUST understand the depth of feeling that their customers - us - have on this matter. If Hibs voted to re-instate Rangers, I really dont believe I could stomach that. It would be a betrayal of my support for my club, and I think it would be a tipping point for me to say - nah, enoughs enough, I'll get involved with an amateur team or go and watch Linlithgow Rose more often.

Yep, that's the case with me too. Why should I ever buy another ticket for Easter Road again when I know fine and well that any decent young players coming up through our system will end up getting splinters in their arse through in Glasgow. They have consistently destroyed our teams over decades by buying up our talent and as it would appear, they've been using our money to do so.

The SPL and Scottish football can get to **** if they let the Huns off the hook in any way.

[HFC 0-7]

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Whyte has often trumpeted in the last few weeks that there is a £10m working capital shortfall on an annual basis for Rangers. Therefore, if they are also due £9m to HMRC - over and above the big tax case - then there must be a cash shortfall of £19m currently on an annual basis. Stunning mismanagement if that is the case.

Not to mentioned the 24.4 million from ticketus which has been eaten up somewhere. Personally I think the money has been saved and transferred to another company so that Rangers will immediately have 'investment' when they exit administration or a phoenix company is born. What is interesting is that HMRC did not want to put rangers into administration over the big tax case but for the sum of 9 million in unpaid taxes. I wonder what will happen if Rangers exit administration and then the big tax case hits?

[GloryGlory]

Just a thought - maybe Ra Sellik should apply for administration, too, and both OF clubs will go forward with no debt. One could be reconstituted as Soap Dodge City FC, the other as Tax Dodge City FC.

You heard it here first!

[Twa Cairpets]

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Yep, that's the case with me too. Why should I ever buy another ticket for Easter Road again when I know fine and well that any decent young players coming up through our system will end up getting splinters in their arse through in Glasgow. They have consistently destroyed our teams over decades by buying up our talent and as it would appear, they've been using our money to do so.

The SPL and Scottish football can get to **** if they let the Huns off the hook in any way.

Despite the wailings from the likes of Talk Sport and Hun journos, the real danger for Scottish Football is if (on liquidation) they are allowed back in to the SPL unharmed, NOT if they go away to div 3. The haemorrhaging of fans from everywhere else would be massive. If they think attendances are dropping at the minute, wait till you see how many are interested in going to watch a league where FC Newhun have been instantly re-admitted.

[LeithBoozy]

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Defining period for Scottish football.

IF they are managed out of administration and carry on, then they've played by the rules, such as they are, and we can wail and gnash our teeth but ultimately they've been treated the same as Motherwell.

IF, as I fervently hope, they are liquidated, they MUST start at th ebottom of the pile and come up through the divisions. Anything less will mean the total ruination of any trust football fans have in the administration of thegame in this country. I think club owners/chairman MUST understand the depth of feeling that their customers - us - have on this matter. If Hibs voted to re-instate Rangers, I really dont believe I could stomach that. It would be a betrayal of my support for my club, and I think it would be a tipping point for me to say - nah, enoughs enough, I'll get involved with an amateur team or go and watch Linlithgow Rose more often.

Settle, do they not play in maroon?.Anyway what are me going to do without our feeder team.

[col02]

At least Hearts with Romanov in charge eventually pay their bills. Rangers it would appear with their Rik Mayall lookalike chairman are going to screw anyone and everyone they owe money to! Self employed people get hounded by the taxman to pay their bills in full completion so I do not see why a morally bankrupt club like Rangers should try manipulate the system to avoid paying what they are owe!

[Twa Cairpets]

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Settle, do they not play in maroon?.Anyway what are me going to do without our feeder team.

They play in what I believe to be deep red. I dont use the "M" word. Good football in the juniors though, and the grounds 500 yards from my front door.

[GloryGlory]

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At least Hearts with Romanov in charge eventually pay their bills. Rangers it would appear with their Rik Mayall lookalike chairman are going to screw anyone and everyone they owe money to! Self employed people get hounded by the taxman to pay their bills in full completion so I do not see why a morally bankrupt club like Rangers should try manipulate the system to avoid paying what they are owe!

Yes, and nurses or low paid families on tax credits or any other ordinary working person will get hounded to pay back a few hundred quid if HMRC happen to undercharge.

[GloryGlory]

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They play in what I believe to be deep red. I dont use the "M" word. Good football in the juniors though, and the grounds 500 yards from my front door.

Pantone 666. The diabolical bloodied turd!

[stokesmessiah]

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It looks like they're due £9m in unpaid VAT from after Craig Whyte took over.

Excellent.

http://www.mcr.uk.com/duff-amp-phelp...ball-club.html

Is that the same Craig Whyte who denied it in his Scotsman interview only 9 days ago.

"Q: There is also talk, on top of everything else, of £5m owed in VAT. Are you sitting on a Mount Everest of debt?A: There’s a lot of media hostility towards myself and Rangers. It irks me sometimes. The VAT thing is rubbish. I have regular dialogue with HMRC about a number of issues, in particular the Employment Benefit Trust case. All sorts of things. I talk to them often, I know exactly what they’re doing and what they’re thinking and there’s no issue on that front."

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-...s_fc_1_2098205

[EuanH78]

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Yep, that's the case with me too. Why should I ever buy another ticket for Easter Road again when I know fine and well that any decent young players coming up through our system will end up getting splinters in their arse through in Glasgow. They have consistently destroyed our teams over decades by buying up our talent and as it would appear, they've been using our money to do so.

The SPL and Scottish football can get to **** if they let the Huns off the hook in any way.

Agree completely, no point in anyone else even taking to the pitch if the Huns get away with this. I think it might be the end for me and Scottish football. I think the saddest thing about that is, Hibs (the team I love and support) hasnt done anything to make me feel that way. It's those that run the game and those odious cretins at Ipox. Cancerous horrible club.

[Pretty Boy]

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Defining period for Scottish football.

IF they are managed out of administration and carry on, then they've played by the rules, such as they are, and we can wail and gnash our teeth but ultimately they've been treated the same as Motherwell.

IF, as I fervently hope, they are liquidated, they MUST start at th ebottom of the pile and come up through the divisions. Anything less will mean the total ruination of any trust football fans have in the administration of thegame in this country. I think club owners/chairman MUST understand the depth of feeling that their customers - us - have on this matter. If Hibs voted to re-instate Rangers, I really dont believe I could stomach that. It would be a betrayal of my support for my club, and I think it would be a tipping point for me to say - nah, enoughs enough, I'll get involved with an amateur team or go and watch Linlithgow Rose more often.

Excellent post and sums up my feelings well.

If Rangers were liquidated and Hibs voted to allow them to retain SPL status I'd be finished. There isn't a lot that would make me say that bit such a scenario would do it.

I'm sure i wouldn't be the only one either.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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It looks like they're due £9m in unpaid VAT from after Craig Whyte took over.

Excellent.

http://www.mcr.uk.com/duff-amp-phelp...ball-club.html

According to STV News the latest HMRC Case is nothing to do with the big tax case, but, PAYE etc since Whyte took over, that makes me feel a lot happier about the situation (I think!).

[YehButNoBut]

Details below of what HMRC charge individuals if late with their self assessment returns, it really p's me off that the Huns could get away with paying what they are due, they are cheating every one of us...................................scu*bags.

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From April 2011, if a Self Assessment Tax Return is filed late or tax paid late, then the following penalties will apply:

Penalties for filing late

One day late and you will be charged an initial penalty of £100 (even if you have no tax to pay or you have already paid all the tax you owe).

Three months late and you will be charged an automatic daily penalty of £10 per day, up to a maximum of £900.

Six months late and you will be charged further penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300.

Twelve months late and you will be charged yet more penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300. In particularly serious cases you face a higher penalty of up to 100% of the tax due.

Penalties for paying late

Thirty days late and you will be charged an initial penalty of 5% of the tax unpaid at that date.

Six months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still paid unpaid.

Twelve months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still unpaid.

...in addition to interest being charged.

[Paisley Hibby]

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Just a thought - maybe Ra Sellik should apply for administration, too, and both OF clubs will go forward with no debt. One could be reconstituted as Soap Dodge City FC, the other as Tax Dodge City FC.

You heard it here first!

[green glory]

All is still well. Today's shenanigans were only concerned with the current debt INCLUDING 9 million in unpaid tax since Whyte took over. The thermonuclear scenario is still to come. HMRC have made it very plain they're pursueing all monies which with today's revelations about the 9 mil may total 86.5 million. They're badly badly ******. Best case scenario is liquidation with The land at Ibrox sold.

[Makaveli]

I'll be more than a bit annoyed if they get away without paying the full tax bill (given how individuals and small business are treated), but there's nowt we can do on that front.

If the club "re-organises" and the SPL/SFA/whoever else let them weasel their way back in then I'm finished with Scottish football.

[PaulSmith]

http://radioplayer.clyde1.com/

Could be interesting

[JoeTortolanoFanClub]

This is about more than football. It involves theft from the general public on a grand scale. Just think how many schools and hospitals, teachers and doctors and nurses £49m could fund.

I do feel a wee bit sorry for the ordinary decent Rangers fans though. So here is a wee bit advice for the pair of them for next season's league campaign...if your opening fixture is away to East Stirlingshire, please remember that they are currently groundsharing at Stenhousemuir.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Excellent post and sums up my feelings well.

If Rangers were liquidated and Hibs voted to allow them to retain SPL status I'd be finished. There isn't a lot that would make me say that bit such a scenario would do it.

I'm sure i wouldn't be the only one either.

I'd have to agree with this.

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I'll be more than a bit annoyed if they get away without paying the full tax bill (given how individuals and small business are treated), but there's nowt we can do on that front.

If the club "re-organises" and the SPL/SFA/whoever else let them weasel their way back in then I'm finished with Scottish football.

I feel that way right now, it might fade but another kick in the hee haws.

[GloryGlory]

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Details below of what HMRC charge individuals if late with their self assessment returns, it really p's me off that the Huns could get away with paying what they are due, they are cheating every one of us...................................scu*bags.

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From April 2011, if a Self Assessment Tax Return is filed late or tax paid late, then the following penalties will apply:

Penalties for filing late

One day late and you will be charged an initial penalty of £100 (even if you have no tax to pay or you have already paid all the tax you owe).

Three months late and you will be charged an automatic daily penalty of £10 per day, up to a maximum of £900.

Six months late and you will be charged further penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300.

Twelve months late and you will be charged yet more penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300. In particularly serious cases you face a higher penalty of up to 100% of the tax due.

Penalties for paying late

Thirty days late and you will be charged an initial penalty of 5% of the tax unpaid at that date.

Six months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still paid unpaid.

Twelve months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still unpaid.

...in addition to interest being charged.

The wee-er you are, the smaller the amount due the harder they hit you!

[Northernhibee]

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I'd have to agree with this.

Yep, I'd have to question my loyalty to Hibs if we were to vote Rangers back into the SPL.