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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby View Post
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    Sorrybut I'm trying to catch up with this. Can someone explain why appointment of Duff Phelps is an issue? I'm guessing too close to Whyte but in what way?
    I think they acted as his advisors when he took over Rangers. Maybe have previous with his other companies, too.

    So not entirely impartial or disinterested.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryGlory View Post
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    Strathclyde Polis saying they will not police Rangers game unless they are assured they will be paid!

    Wonder what money will be required to police the next OF game at Ibrox? You can't see the Celtc fans avoiding the chance to extract the urine.

    PS If games are cancelled because the police refuse to turn up, would Rangers forfeit the points?

    Would hope that the SPL would hammer them with another 10 point deduction .. At least ...

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    Only 6 Clubs are required to change the conditions of entry to the SPL.

    Rangers will frig the Admin, not pay HMRC, pre-pack liquidation and re-emerge as Glasgow Rangers FC where it will only need 6 Clubs to allow them straight back in.

    This will be done for the good of the game in Scotland i.e to satisfy Murdoch/Sky.

    Hearts will then do exactly the same.


    Can't see any way Scottish Football could continue if this was the case.

    Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryGlory View Post
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    I think they acted as his advisors when he took over Rangers. Maybe have previous with his other companies, too.

    So not entirely impartial or disinterested.
    Thanks for that. I know nothing about Company Law but surely the Court should appoint the administators? If that's not the law just now then it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithenHibby View Post
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    Would hope that the SPL would hammer them with another 10 point deduction .. At least ...
    Would actually think (hope) relegation to a lower division may be in order for failing to fulfill fixtures!

    PS A 10 point deduction per each unfulfilled fixture could do it. Would expect Strathclyde Loyal Polis to somehow find a way of policing matches if this were the case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupo View Post
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    strathclyde polis saying that they need guarentee they get paid or they wont police anymore gers games
    Quite right. They have enough unpaid old bills already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryGlory View Post
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    I think they acted as his advisors when he took over Rangers. Maybe have previous with his other companies, too.

    So not entirely impartial or disinterested.
    I'd imagine HMRC will be taking a close look at every decision they take, while i expect Duff and Phelps to try and help the huns, they are still bound by the rules. If D&F's try it on, i'd expect HMRC to appeal anything dodgy? They want paying and will be doing their best to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryGlory View Post
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    Would actually think (hope) relegation to a lower division may be in order for failing to fulfill fixtures!

    PS A 10 point deduction per each unfulfilled fixture could do it. Would expect Strathclyde Loyal Polis to somehow find a way of policing matches if this were the case!
    Not out of the question considering that was the reasoning for Livi being dropped to Division Three (albeit by the SFL rather than SPL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Frank View Post
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    Can't see any way Scottish Football could continue if this was the case.

    Ridiculous.
    I have only just started to go back to Easter Road after the 10-team SPL fiasco last year.

    If Rangers were admitted straight back into the SPL it would finish me off for good with Scottish Football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryGlory View Post
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    Would actually think (hope) relegation to a lower division may be in order for failing to fulfill fixtures!
    Is that not what happened to Gretna? Or was it Livi?
    They were unable to give guarantees that they could fulfill their fixtures, so they were dropped to the bottom division?
    But you know it ain't all about wealth,
    as long as you make a note to .. EXPRESS YOURSELF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieC View Post
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    Is that not what happened to Gretna?
    They were unable to give guarantees that they could fulfill their fixtures, so they were dropped to the bottom division?
    They were liquidated anyway after Mileson withdrew his financial guarantee.

    They reformed but did not apply for readmission to the SPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    I'd imagine HMRC will be taking a close look at every decision they take, while i expect Duff and Phelps to try and help the huns, they are still bound by the rules. If D&F's try it on, i'd expect HMRC to appeal anything dodgy? They want paying and will be doing their best to get it.
    I think this quote from the Scottish Government suggest the Hunz will get away with this

    Sport Minister Shona Robison said Rangers current plight was "a concerning situation for everyone involved in Scottish football".

    She said: "Football is our national game and it is now for the administrators to take forward the process of assessing the business and securing an outcome in the best interests of the club, its staff, supporters and the game of football as a whole in Scotland."

    ...and here was thinking that one of the main roles of the Administrators is actually to try to sort out a fair deal for creditors - including us as taxpayers in this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieC View Post
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    Is that not what happened to Gretna? Or was it Livi?
    They were unable to give guarantees that they could fulfill their fixtures, so they were dropped to the bottom division?
    We could have the polis going round Ibrox on match day displaying sponsors' logos, as the establishment found a way to help out the good old 'Gers by paying their police bills!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieC View Post
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    Is that not what happened to Gretna? Or was it Livi?
    They were unable to give guarantees that they could fulfill their fixtures, so they were dropped to the bottom division?

    It was the SFL, this is SPL. No the same, which is a real shame....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby View Post
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    I think this quote from the Scottish Government suggest the Hunz will get away with this

    Sport Minister Shona Robison said Rangers current plight was "a concerning situation for everyone involved in Scottish football".

    She said: "Football is our national game and it is now for the administrators to take forward the process of assessing the business and securing an outcome in the best interests of the club, its staff, supporters and the game of football as a whole in Scotland."

    ...and here was thinking that one of the main roles of the Administrators is actually to try to sort out a fair deal for creditors - including us as taxpayers in this case?
    Isn't Nicola Sturgeon the MSP for Govan? I can see a rescue package looming.

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    What will happen is Mr whyte will start a new company called Huns Fc for example no debt aquire all assests BUT the big question is will they be allowed into the SPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidge View Post
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    That may will be the case, but they will need to be very very very careful not to do anything that is challengeable by HMRC and other unsecured creditors.
    Can't imagine that they would do any such thing and that the process will be carried out in line with current Insolvency legislation and practice!

    As I said earlier, if CW's advisors in the plan to set the club up for such a move as has now happened are now to act as Administrators to RFC, then they will have been very involved in the deal structure and, presumably, in achieving a structure which served the ambitions of their client in maintaining control over RFC and its assets no matter what! Whether they would be able to manipulate financial elements of the administration which was to the legal detriment of other groups of creditors whose (unsecured) interests must be looked after along with those of the more protected secured creditors such as CW or the lending (to RFC) company by way of a bond and floating charge or some form of fixed security secured over specific property is questionable within the legal constraints that they will be working within I imagine!
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    How could there be a 10-2 vote or 11-1 vote if Rangers are bust? There would only be 11 teams in the SPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby View Post
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    I think this quote from the Scottish Government suggest the Hunz will get away with this

    Sport Minister Shona Robison said Rangers current plight was "a concerning situation for everyone involved in Scottish football".

    She said: "Football is our national game and it is now for the administrators to take forward the process of assessing the business and securing an outcome in the best interests of the club, its staff, supporters and the game of football as a whole in Scotland."

    ...and here was thinking that one of the main roles of the Administrators is actually to try to sort out a fair deal for creditors - including us as taxpayers in this case?
    I'm not quite so sure its that clear cut? This is a huge case, even by british standards. And the right thing has to be seen to be done. Gone are the days of running roughshod over folk. Tax payers are keen these days to see companies pay just what they owe, and the law is the law. I dont think this can just be swept under the carpet, they might get away with paying less, but it will be transparent, and there for everyone to see.

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    On a serious note a lot of people are now going to lose their job over this and I don't mean the highly paid top players. When an administrator goes into a business they quite quickly make people redundant.
    Expect youth players and non day to day essential personnel to lose their jobs this week. This is the real tragedy in all this

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    Rangers will be back to normal in 1-2 years, playing in the same stadium but with all the debt wiped out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofarl View Post
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    How could there be a 10-2 vote or 11-1 vote if Rangers are bust? There would only be 11 teams in the SPL.
    While they are in administration, I am sure that the administrator will wield their vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby View Post
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    I think this quote from the Scottish Government suggest the Hunz will get away with this

    Sport Minister Shona Robison said Rangers current plight was "a concerning situation for everyone involved in Scottish football".

    She said: "Football is our national game and it is now for the administrators to take forward the process of assessing the business and securing an outcome in the best interests of the club, its staff, supporters and the game of football as a whole in Scotland."

    ...and here was thinking that one of the main roles of the Administrators is actually to try to sort out a fair deal for creditors - including us as taxpayers in this case?
    I think people forget how entrenched Rangers are in every nook and cranny of scottish society. I think they will somehow get out of this relatively unscathed due to people in supposedly impartial positions who will look after them. Even people with no interests in football will be worried about being traceable as an individual who helped pull the trigger. Most of the media are already in tears and not once has anyone mentioned that this is their own fault.
    This is a dark day all right but not for the reasons they are all stating.

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    I would like to thank Glasgow Rangers Football Club for some wonderful memories over the years.



    Less talk, more gifs. 21.05.16

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    I'm not quite so sure its that clear cut? This is a huge case, even by british standards. And the right thing has to be seen to be done. Gone are the days of running roughshod over folk. Tax payers are keen these days to see companies pay just what they owe, and the law is the law. I dont think this can just be swept under the carpet, they might get away with paying less, but it will be transparent, and there for everyone to see.
    In PR terms I agree, in £ terms not so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickShoes View Post
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    Rangers will be back to normal in 1-2 years, playing in the same stadium but with all the debt wiped out.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TornadoHibby View Post
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    In PR terms I agree, in £ terms not so!
    Thats what i was meaning to say, and every media person in the land will be looking in on it. The BRITISH tax payer wants to see things done right, not everyone in the uk is a hun apologist, they will need to do things by the book, there are a lot of people out there who will try their hardest to make sure thats the case.

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    Anyone else hear the rubbish being spouted on talk sport just now? Scottish football should help rangers in their time of need

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi View Post
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    I would like to thank Glasgow Rangers Football Club for some wonderful memories over the years.




    I concur


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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickShoes View Post
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    Rangers will be back to normal in 1-2 years, playing in the same stadium but with all the debt wiped out.
    I agree, more or less, I can't see much changing in Scottish football due to this. Celtic will have the next few leagues won with Rangers second, then it'll be back to the way it's been for years.

    And I don't believe they'll have 'learnt thier lesson' either, in 5 years time they'll live outwith thier means, knowing that the consequences aren't all that terrible.

    I'd love to be wrong though.

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