Christmas Light Switch on in Dundee

[ArabHibee]

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I'm glad you liked it. Would you say it was accurate?

90% accurate. I don't have any mates (due to my extreme racism) and you forgot that I was a Killers fan.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis didn't pick berries and tatties because a lot of them showed great entrepeneurship opened family businesses. Is a owning a business a 'worthwhile' occupation for immigrants?

Immigrants doing menial work has both historical and current context. The history of Britain shows many influxes of immigrants over time. In particular the Irish and West Indians have come to this country and had to start out doing menial work. More recently the exponential growth of our economy in the 1990s and early 2000s coupled with EU immigration laws created an environment in Britain where there was many new low paid jobs and a large supply of immigrant workers.

A lot of Irish people used to go to the berries. And I'm not sure what nationality gypsy travellers are classed as.

[ArabHibee]

My nemesis has gone!!

[Sylar]

I sincerely hope BravestHibs requested to leave, and wasn't just punted

[Phil D. Rolls]

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My nemesis has gone!!

If he was your Nemesis it is you who would be gone. You are his Nemesis.

[ArabHibee]

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If he was your Nemesis it is you who would be gone. You are his Nemesis.

I really should stop trying to use big words, shouldn't I?

You're next FR.

[steve75]

Just like to add the root of this argument in pretty much non-exisiting as one of the 'Winter Lights' is

"Merry Christmas from Dundee City Council"

[ArabHibee]

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Just like to add the root of this argument in pretty much non-exisiting as one of the 'Winter Lights' is

"Merry Christmas from Dundee City Council"

I saw that too and was going to take a photo and post it on here but couldn't be bothered.

On the other hand, they've had that decoration for a few years and probably can't afford to buy another one so just keep putting it up.

[steve75]

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I saw that too and was going to take a photo and post it on here but couldn't be bothered.

On the other hand, they've had that decoration for a few years and probably can't afford to buy another one so just keep putting it up.

Yeah same lights they always have, though you would have thought someone would have noticed and changed that one.

Clearly someone has said to the person incharge of organising the fesivities in Dundee to change its name, and just went "aye, whatever, couldn't really care, it's going to be exactly the same anyway."

[McSwanky]

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I sincerely hope BravestHibs requested to leave, and wasn't just punted

I think he/she was punted for inaccurate use of commas. Glad to see the admins are finally opening a can of whoopass on the persistent offenders. I fully expect a raft of 'big names' to follow.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Just like to add the root of this argument in pretty much non-exisiting as one of the 'Winter Lights' is

"Merry Christmas from Dundee City Council"

Kind of sums up all these "PC Brigade" stories. When you look at the facts it's just another case of people swallowing an urban myth. Perhaps the person who started the thread might acknowledge this?

People have spent a lot of time debating the issue and listening to points of view. IMO it would only be decent to admit a mistake when you have been shown to be so spectacularly wrong. It stands to reason if you can be so wrong about one thing then maybe you can be wrong about others.

Come on AH, you've had a lot of fair play from everyone on this, despite some of the obnoxious and ignorant things you've said. The least you can do is be fair back the way.

[Betty Boop]

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My nemesis has gone!!

I am sure there are plenty more you can goad, with your racist rants.

[Green Mikey]

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OK here it is.

I think that growing up, you have been surrounded by people, who like you, think that a word with more than two syllables is a 'fancy word' and if you were to try and use these 'fancy words' you would be shot down by your toothless Dundonian mates. Instead of having a bit of back bone and developing your vocabulary regardless you felt that to fit in you'd be better off adopting this attitude as well.

I wonder if BravestHibs had followed up his post with smileys he would still be on the board? Personally, I think his rant was a lot less offensice than what you posted.

ArabHibee, I hope you don't think that the BH getting banned vindicates any of your racist views.

[ArabHibee]

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Kind of sums up all these "PC Brigade" stories. When you look at the facts it's just another case of people swallowing an urban myth. Perhaps the person who started the thread might acknowledge this?

People have spent a lot of time debating the issue and listening to points of view. IMO it would only be decent to admit a mistake when you have been shown to be so spectacularly wrong. It stands to reason if you can be so wrong about one thing then maybe you can be wrong about others.

Come on AH, you've had a lot of fair play from everyone on this, despite some of the obnoxious and ignorant things you've said. The least you can do is be fair back the way.

Sorry, didn't you read my reply to the person who posted about the lights? And his response? As far as I am concerned, the Council changed the name of the Christmas Light switch on so as not to offend minority races. The reason the said light display was still put up was, in my opinion, because they couldn't afford to get another one, and at the end of the day, money talks over being 'PC'.

So no, I'm not admitting any mistake, as in my opinion, I haven't made one.

And I've had a lot of fair play on here? Are you having a laugh?

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I wonder if BravestHibs had followed up his post with smileys he would still be on the board? Personally, I think his rant was a lot less offensice than what you posted.

ArabHibee, I hope you don't think that the BH getting banned vindicates any of your racist views.

FYI BravestHibs was not banned because of what he was posting on this thread, so please don't try and blame me for him not being able to stay within the forum rules. He liked to have a personal pop at me for any reason he could think of and I'm not just talking about the views on this thread. I'll shed no tears for him being banned.

As for my racist views, pffff, whatever. They are my views and I'm entitled to them. As I've said, I think the majority of people are racist, they just won't admit it. Depends what you class as racist I suppose.

In fact, here is a question for you. Would you class someone as racist if they laugh at racist jokes?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Sorry, didn't you read my reply to the person who posted about the lights? And his response? As far as I am concerned, the Council changed the name of the Christmas Light switch on so as not to offend minority races. The reason the said light display was still put up was, in my opinion, because they couldn't afford to get another one, and at the end of the day, money talks over being 'PC'.

So no, I'm not admitting any mistake, as in my opinion, I haven't made one.

And I've had a lot of fair play on here? Are you having a laugh?

Fair play - you called me arsey and I'm a Protestant (think about it).

I think you have had fair play, considering the lack of logic in a lot of your posts, and considering the horrible things you say about immigration I reckon your lucky that you haven't been taken to bits before now.

Can I ask you this. If Dundee Council were scared of offending immigrants - obviously not those of Irish extraction, or Italian or other whiteys who have been here longer than most racists' memories stretch (usually six or seven days) - then why, oh why, oh why do they still have a sign in the centre of town that says "Merry Christmas"?

Doesn't really add up at all does it? Neither does any of the other stuff you say. I'm not saying any more because I have a 37 year female cousin who lives in your neck of the woods, and I'm frightened you might be her.

[Betty Boop]

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Sorry, didn't you read my reply to the person who posted about the lights? And his response? As far as I am concerned, the Council changed the name of the Christmas Light switch on so as not to offend minority races. The reason the said light display was still put up was, in my opinion, because they couldn't afford to get another one, and at the end of the day, money talks over being 'PC'.

So no, I'm not admitting any mistake, as in my opinion, I haven't made one.

And I've had a lot of fair play on here? Are you having a laugh?



FYI BravestHibs was not banned because of what he was posting on this thread, so please don't try and blame me for him not being able to stay within the forum rules. He liked to have a personal pop at me for any reason he could think of and I'm not just talking about the views on this thread. I'll shed no tears for him being banned.

As for my racist views, pffff, whatever. They are my views and I'm entitled to them. As I've said, I think the majority of people are racist, they just won't admit it. Depends what you class as racist I suppose.

In fact, here is a question for you. Would you class someone as racist if they laugh at racist jokes?

Is that the same forum rules that you stayed within, when you posted a list of those who did not agree with you and branded them a clique?

[Green Mikey]

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FYI BravestHibs was not banned because of what he was posting on this thread, so please don't try and blame me for him not being able to stay within the forum rules. He liked to have a personal pop at me for any reason he could think of and I'm not just talking about the views on this thread. I'll shed no tears for him being banned.

My point still stands re Bravest. If he put a collection of smileys after every offensive post would it got him off the hook?

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As for my racist views, pffff, whatever. They are my views and I'm entitled to them. As I've said, I think the majority of people are racist, they just won't admit it. Depends what you class as racist I suppose.

I must be in the minority then Would you like the majority of people to admit to be racist so that could air your views without having to halfheartedly recind them through smileys?

What do you class as a racist? Personally, I would say it is someone like you...believe that the majority hold your view yet backtrack when it is questioned...show complete ignorance to immigrants and the role they play in our society...brand anyone who disagrees with you as a 'do-gooder' or the 'PC brigade'.

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In fact, here is a question for you. Would you class someone as racist if they laugh at racist jokes?

Depends on the joke, the circumstances and the people involved, nothing is that black and white.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Is that the same forum rules that you stayed within, when you posted a list of those who did not agree with you and branded them a clique?

I think they are in the sub-section that includes pretending you're on the wind up when caught plagiarish Richard Littlejohn.

Doh! Cliquey behaviour again - you haven't seen me, right?

[ArabHibee]

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Fair play - you called me arsey and I'm a Protestant (think about it).

I think you have had fair play, considering the lack of logic in a lot of your posts, and considering the horrible things you say about immigration I reckon your lucky that you haven't been taken to bits before now.

Can I ask you this. If Dundee Council were scared of offending immigrants - obviously not those of Irish extraction, or Italian or other whiteys who have been here longer than most racists' memories stretch (usually six or seven days) - then why, oh why, oh why do they still have a sign in the centre of town that says "Merry Christmas"?

Doesn't really add up at all does it? Neither does any of the other stuff you say. I'm not saying any more because I have a 37 year female cousin who lives in your neck of the woods, and I'm frightened you might be her.

FFS!! Didn't you read my last post? Obviously not. IN MY OPINION it's to do with money, plain and simple. Can't afford another lighted sign. End of.

And you're definitely not my cousin. I can assure you of that. So please continue with your beratement.

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Is that the same forum rules that you stayed within, when you posted a list of those who did not agree with you and branded them a clique?

Probably, but you'll need to ask the admin that deleted the post that won't you?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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FFS!! Didn't you read my last post? Obviously not. IN MY OPINION it's to do with money, plain and simple. Can't afford another lighted sign. End of.

And you're definitely not my cousin. I can assure you of that. So please continue with your beratement.

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Probably, but you'll need to ask the admin that deleted the post that won't you?

I get it, opinion falls into two schools of thought. You and the rest of the world.

If they couldn't afford a new sign why didn't they just keep the old one in the shed?

Me and my berate are very happy together by the way, and if you try to send it back to Beratia then you'll meet a very angry clique (me and my real cousin) standing next to your tractor in the morning.

[ArabHibee]

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My point still stands re Bravest. If he put a collection of smileys after every offensive post would it got him off the hook?

Again, you'll need to ask the admin team that. Possibly you don't know the whole story as to why he was banned. I would hazard a guess that the fact that he was very good at slinging personal insults at people might have been a factor.

I must be in the minority then Would you like the majority of people to admit to be racist so that could air your views without having to halfheartedly recind them through smileys?

I just feel that quite a lot of people deny being racist when they probably are.

What do you class as a racist? Personally, I would say it is someone like you...believe that the majority hold your view yet backtrack when it is questioned...show complete ignorance to immigrants and the role they play in our society...brand anyone who disagrees with you as a 'do-gooder' or the 'PC brigade'.

Isn't it great to live in a democracy where people can share their views, even if they don't agree? I have no issue with you calling me racist, I have reasons for having these views which I'm not discussing here. They may be blinkered, but so be it.

Depends on the joke, the circumstances and the people involved, nothing is that black and white.
Sorry, but I don't agree. I know a lot of people who would deny being a racist but would laugh at any kind of racist joke going. Are they racist?

"Two things that I really hate in this world:

One is racists

The other is pakis"

If you laugh, are you a racist?

[ArabHibee]

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I get it, opinion falls into two schools of thought. You and the rest of the world.

If they couldn't afford a new sign why didn't they just keep the old one in the shed?

Me and my berate are very happy together by the way, and if you try to send it back to Beratia then you'll meet a very angry clique (me and my real cousin) standing next to your tractor in the morning.

Because it's their big fancy dancy one at the end of the main street going into the City Square. They can't leave it down because then the circuit for the lights wouldn't be finished off and none of them would work. Jeezo!

Wish I'd had a tractor to get through the snow on Tuesday night when I was coming home.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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"Two things that I really hate in this world:

One is racists

The other is pakis"

If you laugh, are you a racist?

I would say "not". That's because the joke is at the expense of someone too ignorant to appreciate the irony of what he has just said.

I prefer the more PC jokes. This is one I used to tell when I was taxi driving.

"I had a Hindu, a Jew and a Catholic in the back of the cab last night".......

(Pause whilst passengers turn pale, and put on faces which are a cross between a smile and what you would do if you found **** on your toothbrush).

....I thought what a great example of religious harmony".

The joke there (as I see it) is that they made an assumption about me, sized me up, and expected a racist punchline. The fact that they saw potential racism in the joke points to their own prejudices.

But when a joke hurts a racial group then that is racist. That's how I see it, I had Ed Byrne, Dara O'Brain and a couple of other well known comics in the cab once, and that's how they see it as well.

And if a couple of Micks agree with you then.......doh!

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Because it's their big fancy dancy one at the end of the main street going into the City Square. They can't leave it down because then the circuit for the lights wouldn't be finished off and none of them would work. Jeezo!

Wish I'd had a tractor to get through the snow on Tuesday night when I was coming home.

It's made itself at home in Dundee anyway.

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Isn't it great to live in a democracy where people can share their views, even if they don't agree? I have no issue with you calling me racist, I have reasons for having these views which I'm not discussing here. They may be blinkered, but so be it.

I was right, you are a racist. What a terrible thing to be.

[ArabHibee]

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I would say "not". That's because the joke is at the expense of someone too ignorant to appreciate the irony of what he has just said.

I prefer the more PC jokes. This is one I used to tell when I was taxi driving.

"I had a Hindu, a Jew and a Catholic in the back of the cab last night".......

(Pause whilst passengers turn pale, and put on faces which are a cross between a smile and what you would do if you found **** on your toothbrush).

....I thought what a great example of religious harmony".

The joke there (as I see it) is that they made an assumption about me, sized me up, and expected a racist punchline. The fact that they saw potential racism in the joke points to their own prejudices.

But when a joke hurts a racial group then that is racist. That's how I see it, I had Ed Byrne, Dara O'Brain and a couple of other well known comics in the cab once, and that's how they see it as well.

And if a couple of Micks agree with you then.......doh!



It's made itself at home in Dundee anyway.

A joke stolen from John Thomson, well done.

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I was right, you are a racist. What a terrible thing to be.

And it's taken you 204 posts to work that out. Go you!

[LiverpoolHibs]

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I have reasons for having these views which I'm not discussing here.

Oh go on...

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I would say "not". That's because the joke is at the expense of someone too ignorant to appreciate the irony of what he has just said.

I prefer the more PC jokes. This is one I used to tell when I was taxi driving.

"I had a Hindu, a Jew and a Catholic in the back of the cab last night".......

(Pause whilst passengers turn pale, and put on faces which are a cross between a smile and what you would do if you found **** on your toothbrush).

....I thought what a great example of religious harmony".

The joke there (as I see it) is that they made an assumption about me, sized me up, and expected a racist punchline. The fact that they saw potential racism in the joke points to their own prejudices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLyyzBC_qI

[ArabHibee]

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Oh go on...

Nope!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLyyzBC_qI

That's the bunny! The whole Live 'n' Lewd show is brilliant. One of my favourite Steve Coogan shows.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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A joke stolen from John Thomson, well done.

Have I got this right?

[ArabHibee]

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Have I got this right?

Nah, you forgot this one:

:asshole:

[Green Mikey]

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And it's taken you 204 posts to work that out. Go you!

It's taken me so long to work this out because it was previously beyond my reckoning that someone with such foul views could be so triumphant about voluntarily adopting a 'blinkered view'.

ArabHibee - Racist and proud.