Christmas Light Switch on in Dundee

[Green Mikey]

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I think you are living in a dream world if you think there are very few people who cannot speak English in Edinburgh. I've come across a lot, normally older members of family, who have no intention of learning our language. Why? No need to.

If someone is contributing to our society (paying tax etc) I have no problem with what language they speak. Does it really matter that an OAP immigrant can't speak English, I don't think that it has a significant impact on our society.

Apart from the the production of multi-lingual leaflets how does this country pander to minorities?

[Sylar]

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Interesting post.

If you take the OP/subject as a wider comment on "pandering to minorities", then it raises lots of relevant points.

If domestic students are not being actively discriminated against for entry to Post-Graduate courses, then the fact of large numbers of indian or other foreign students is just that, a fact. The income generated from fees your course is over £600,000. If it didnt come from there it would need to come from somehwere else - seems a win-win to me.

As for behaviour, thats a different matter - the University should have set acceptable levels of behaviour, or horsed the culprits out. Cultural difference in an academic setting should not be a permissible excuse for being disruptive.

There are settings where the local culture is dominant. Ive managed teams of workers from Polish, Asian, Afro-Caribbean as well as white UK backgrounds. In a work environment there is a requirement to conform to what is acceptable and expected. I dont think you can afford to discriminate in any way when it comes to what is required in a structured setting.

By the way, the only factor which related to language or ability to understand in that work setting was could the individual understand the instructions given to be able to do the job safely and properly. If they couldnt, they didnt work.

I'm not paranoid enough to believe that the University would have actively discriminated against British nationals, but there were 90 available spaces on the course, and I know 4 people who were in my undergraduate course who were declined a place, despite having the same qualification as me at undergraduate level. Granted, I have 2 scientific papers to my name and they didn't, but none of the others I knew who got places were any different to those who weren't accepted. It would be easy to understand why some would look at it and say that the home-based students are being treated unfairly, as they're worth less money.

It stands to reason (in my eyes anyway) that a University would consider the potential benefit of taking an International student ahead of a domestic student, as they profit 3xfold. It's good "business". And yes, it is win-win, as it means that domestic students continue to receive subsidised fees, but the willingness to attract foreign students seems to overlook basic requirements as far as I can see. I don't understand why UK institutions (as none of us do it) follow the American Model and assess their suitability in terms of basic literacy and numeracy skills in the host language.

I guess your final point is key in covering that though, that if international students can't understand the work/assessments etc, they won't gain a qualification or pass.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Christmas Light Switch on in Dundee

What's the big deal what it's called?

It's only one light, FFS.

Or are we talking about the switch?

I'm confused.

I'm also half Polish and I can assure the ignoramuses on here that there is a lot more English printed in Polish cities than you'll find Polish in the UK.

Try finding a menu or Museum information in Polish for example.

Bigos Restaurant and Museum of Polish Food on Leith Walk is surely the best place to start?

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If someone is contributing to our society (paying tax etc) I have no problem with what language they speak. Does it really matter that an OAP immigrant can't speak English, I don't think that it has a significant impact on our society.

Apart from the the production of multi-lingual leaflets how does this country pander to minorities?

You are absolutely right, especially it would appear that a vast number of indigenous Britons struggle with the language. Listen to some of the adverts on TV - especially for hay kay (Silvrikin and such like) and tell me what language they are spoking on?

[Betty Boop]

You are absolutely right, especially it would appear that a vast number of indigenous Britons struggle with the language. Listen to some of the adverts on TV - especially for hay kay (Silvrikin and such like) and tell me what language they are spoking on?[/QUOTE]

Do they even make that these days?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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You are absolutely right, especially it would appear that a vast number of indigenous Britons struggle with the language. Listen to some of the adverts on TV - especially for hay kay (Silvrikin and such like) and tell me what language they are spoking on?

Do they even make that these days?[/QUOTE]

Been a long time since I had to worry about what brand of shampoo I buy.

[Hibbyradge]

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Bigos Restaurant and Museum of Polish Food on Leith Walk is surely the best place to start?

Indeed, but they are Polish.

In Poland's cities, almost every restaurant has an English menu, not just the British ones.

[ArabHibee]

I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

[Hibbyradge]

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But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

What a remarkable intolerant rant. Capital letters for "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE" and "GO HOME", eh? Nick would be proud.

As far as I see it, you're the only person whining and griping. I've never heard any immigrant complaining about "Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life".

Just paranoid right wing racists.

You say not against immigratiion, but you don't seem to want to help immigrants assimilate in any way.

That sounds like lip service to me.

[Betty Boop]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

WE? I am sorry but you don't speak for ME, I am proud to be part of a multi-cultural society!

[steakbake]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

Littlejohn (2009)

[LiverpoolHibs]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

What the **** are you talking about?

N.B. Oh right, this is one of those circular internet things that idiots pass amongst themselves.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/beamerican.html

[Betty Boop]

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What the **** are you talking about?

N.B. Oh right, this is one of those circular internet things that idiots pass amongst themselves.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/beamerican.html

[marinello59]

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This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom

That'll include the 195000 Poles who fought under British command in WW2, many of whom subsequently settled here?
How about the Italians who may have fought here but we interned during that same war. How about the Scots Italians who perished on the Arandora Star? Their reaction? They got on with rebuilding their lives after the war as Scots.
How about the Irish who settled over here and despite facing discrimantion made Scotland their home and, (lest we forget), also formed the club that we all support.
I could go on.
Go on, tell me what our culture is again? I really don't think you have a grasp of it at all.

[Twa Cairpets]

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What the **** are you talking about?

N.B. Oh right, this is one of those circular internet things that idiots pass amongst themselves.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/beamerican.html

I'm guessing that ArabHibee is probaby slightly embarrased. Second hand moral outrage, eh? Pathetic.

[Sylar]

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I'm guessing that ArabHibee is probaby slightly embarrased. Second hand moral outrage, eh? Pathetic.

Quite.

Disappointing too, as AH is usually good at formulating arguments from their own thoughts.

Downright plagiarised second-hand moral outrage.

[BravestHibs]

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Quite.

Disappointing too, as AH is usually good at formulating arguments from their own thoughts.

Downright plagiarised second-hand moral outrage.

That's not moral outrage that's racist hate mail.

I think it just encapsulated everything she stands for alot more eloquently than she could have put it herself. My favourite bit is where she tells the immigrants to GO HOME just like a racist. But of course this is all ironic and the joke's on us.

[LiverpoolHibs]

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Quite.

Disappointing too, as AH is usually good at formulating arguments from their own thoughts.

Downright plagiarised second-hand moral outrage.

Hmmmmmmm.

[Darth Hibbie]

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If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.

If a British person is offended by God then where do they go?

Christmas has for the last couple of thousand years been known as Christmas. Even for those who are not religious Christmas stands for giving and receiving presents and spending time with the family. Personally I do not see the point in changing the name to prevent people who would not be offended from being offended. Just crazy.

As an aside I think Christmas should be renamed Santamas

[Green Mikey]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

Nice (second hand) racist rant.

I think that more people Scottish or otherwise would be offended by this intolerante bile than the St Andrew's flag.

[Woody1985]

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Seems like we both need a reality check. I would say that there are not many people in Edinburgh who cannot speak a single word of english. But perhaps you look out for them more than I do?

Not sure of other people's experience but personally I know around 6 people who cannot speak any english at all. Their kids/other half can speak english and they communicate via their kids/other half.

[Twa Cairpets]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

By the way, and just out of curiosity you understand, what exactly are "Our Pledge" and "Our National Motto"?
mmm?

[Woody1985]

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I've never come across any. But then, I suppose they would confine themselves to their own family/community and not put themselves in situations where they don't need to speak English. I certainly can't think of anywhere you would go where you would be guaranteed to meet one - unlike the big cities like London.

That's my experience (from my above post).

[BravestHibs]

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By the way, and just out of curiosity you understand, what exactly are "Our Pledge" and "Our National Motto"?
mmm?

Something tells me that you may be waiting some time for the answer to that question.

[Green Mikey]

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By the way, and just out of curiosity you understand, what exactly are "Our Pledge" and "Our National Motto"?
mmm?

What about '**** off home' as our motto.

What do you think AH?

[Phil D. Rolls]

In response to Miss Littlejohn's heartfelt plea, I have composed a song in reply. I hope nobody thinks it is someone else's work.

Michael McGrory from west Donegal
You came to Glasgow with nothing at all
You fought the landlord then the Afrika korps
When you came to Glasgow with nothing at all

Abraham Caplan from Vilnius you came
You were heading for New York but Leith's where you've stayed
You built a great business which benefits all
Since you came to this land with nothing at all

In Scotland's story I read that they came
The Gael and the Pict, the Angle and Dane
But so did the Irishman, Jew and Ukraine
They're all Scotland's Story and they're all worth the same

Joseph D'Angelo dreams of the days
When Italian kids in the Grassmarket played
We burned out his shop when the boys went to war
But auld Joe's a big man and he forgave all

In Scotland's story I'm told that they came
The Gael and the Pict, the Angle and Dane
But where's all the Chinese and Indian names?
They're in my lands story and they're all worth the same

Christina McKay, I learned of your name
How you travelled south from Delny one day
You raised a whole family in one room they say
And the X on the line stands in place of your name

So in the old story I'll bet that I came
From Gael and Pict and Angle and Dane
And a poor migrant girl who could not write her name
It's a common old story but it's mine just the same

All through the story the immigrants came
The Gael and the Pict, the Angle and Dane
From Pakistan, England and from the Ukraine
We're all Scotland's story and we're all worth the same
Your Scotland's story is worth just the same

EIN REICH, EIN VOLK, EIN PROCLAIMERS!!

[ArabHibee]

[BravestHibs]

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Lolololol! Aha! But of course. It was all a big joke. Well I for one have got egg all over my face. Or at least I would have if your little joke didn't correspond exactly with what you actually think.

A friend of mine told me a story about when he went into work on his first day, the guy sat next to him starts telling him about how he caught his wife in bed with his mate the night before and how he was getting a divorce. My mate, having never met the guy before does what anyone else would do and says 'aaaw that's terrible man, better off without her' etc. etc. The guy then turned round and went 'Ahahahahahahah! Can't believe you actually fell for it! Ahahahahahaha!'

Moral of the story is, the guy who told the joke with the intention of making my friend look silly succeeded only in making himself look like a complete c*ck.

[Darth Hibbie]

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Lolololol! Aha! But of course. It was all a big joke. Well I for one have got egg all over my face. Or at least I would have if your little joke didn't correspond exactly with what you actually think.

A friend of mine told me a story about when he went into work on his first day, the guy sat next to him starts telling him about how he caught his wife in bed with his mate the night before and how he was getting a divorce. My mate, having never met the guy before does what anyone else would do and says 'aaaw that's terrible man, better off without her' etc. etc. The guy then turned round and went 'Ahahahahahahah! Can't believe you actually fell for it! Ahahahahahaha!'

Moral of the story is, the guy who told the joke with the intention of making my friend look silly succeeded only in making himself look like a complete c*ck.

[BravestHibs]

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It's really not that difficult to understand. I even explained the story at the end of my post. What is it you're struggling with petal?

[Dashing Bob S]

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I am tired of this country worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Scotland being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Scots, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if they wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

If God offends them, then I suggest they consider another part of the world as their new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St. Andrews flag offends them, then they should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how they did things where they came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow them every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage them to take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force them to come here. If they don't like it GO HOME!!

They asked to be here.. So they should accept the country that accepted them. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

They're only after our Christmas tree lights. I say let em have it. And i'd pull the switch myself.